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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 14 2010,18:06) Sf, you said Quote I didnt say that, I said many times that the heaven and earth will pass away, in what manner, i have no idea. 2nd Peter 3:3 (YLT)
There shall come in the latter end of the days scoffers, according to their own desires going on, and saying, `Where is the promise of his presence? for since the fathers did fall asleep, all things so remain from the beginning of the creation;' for this is unobserved by them willingly, that the heavens were of old, and the earth out of water and through water standing together by the word of God, through which the then world, by water having been deluged, was destroyed;
And the present heavens and the earth, by the same word are treasured, for fire being kept to a day of judgment and destruction of the impious men.
And this one thing let not be unobserved by you, beloved, that one day with the Lord [is] as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day; the Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation,
And it will come — the day of the Lord — as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.
All these, then, being dissolved, what kind of persons doth it behove you to be in holy behaviours and pious acts? waiting for and hasting to the presence of the day of God, by which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt; and for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise we do wait, in which righteousness doth dwell;
Hi Shimmer,2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for
new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.Notice how it says wherein dwelleth righteousness?
The righteous do NOT get burned away, but remain!Deut.8:20: As the nations which the LORD destroyeth
before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would
not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.Isaiah 1:19-20 If ye be willing and obedient,
ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel,
ye shall be devoured with the (fire of the) sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
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Young's Literal Translation is a translation of the Bible into English,
The Literal Translation is unusual in that, as the name implies, it is a strictly literal translation of the original Hebrew and Greek texts. The Preface to the Second Edition states,
If a translation gives a present tense when the original gives a past, or a past when it has a present; a perfect for a future, or a future for a perfect; an a for a the, or a the for an a; an imperative for a subjunctive, or a subjunctive for an imperative; a verb for a noun, or a noun for a verb, it is clear that verbal inspiration is as much overlooked as if it had no existence. THE WORD OF GOD IS MADE VOID BY THE TRADITIONS OF MEN. [Emphases in original.]———————————
Another important feature of YLT is its treatment of the Hebrew word olam and the Greek word aion. These two words have basically the same meaning, and YLT translates them and their derivatives as “age” or “age-during”. Other English versions most often translate them to indicate eternality (eternal, everlasting, forever, etc). However, there are notable exceptions to this in all major translations, such as Matthew 28:20: “…I am with you always, to the end of the age” (NRSV), the word “age” being a translation of aion. Rendering aion to indicate eternality in this verse would result in the contradictory phrase “end of eternity”, so the question arises whether it should ever be so. Proponents of Universal Reconciliation point out that this has significant implications for the . Contrast Matthew 25:46 in well-known English translations with its rendering in YLT:
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during. (YLT)
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. (NIV)
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (NASB)
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal. (KJV)
And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but the righteous into age-abiding life. (EBR)
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shimmer,Oct. wrote:Ed,
Quote Young's Literal Translation is a translation of the Bible into English,
The Literal Translation is unusual in that, as the name implies, it is a strictly literal translation of the original Hebrew and Greek texts. The Preface to the Second Edition states,
If a translation gives a present tense when the original gives a past, or a past when it has a present; a perfect for a future, or a future for a perfect; an a for a the, or a the for an a; an imperative for a subjunctive, or a subjunctive for an imperative; a verb for a noun, or a noun for a verb, it is clear that verbal inspiration is as much overlooked as if it had no existence. THE WORD OF GOD IS MADE VOID BY THE TRADITIONS OF MEN. [Emphases in original.]———————————
Another important feature of YLT is its treatment of the Hebrew word olam and the Greek word aion. These two words have basically the same meaning, and YLT translates them and their derivatives as “age” or “age-during”. Other English versions most often translate them to indicate eternality (eternal, everlasting, forever, etc). However, there are notable exceptions to this in all major translations, such as Matthew 28:20: “…I am with you always, to the end of the age” (NRSV), the word “age” being a translation of aion. Rendering aion to indicate eternality in this verse would result in the contradictory phrase “end of eternity”, so the question arises whether it should ever be so. Proponents of Universal Reconciliation point out that this has significant implications for the . Contrast Matthew 25:46 in well-known English translations with its rendering in YLT:
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during. (YLT)
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. (NIV)
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (NASB)
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal. (KJV)
And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but the righteous into age-abiding life. (EBR)
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Hi Shimmer,Just because they did a better Job on Matthew 25:46
does not make it a better translation!The NWT (The JW Bible) did a better Job on Ex.3:14…
Exodus 3:14 in the N.W.T.: …“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE”…So?
Get yourself an AKJV Bible and you will have a lot less confusion!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, I agree with what you say above, I was shown something years ago after prayer, the Good will remain the others will perish, in heat and fire, I know the cause but dont feel like saying it here, what happens after that I dont know.
Ed, you bet me with that post, I was agreeing to the one you made above it. About the righteous remaining.
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 14 2010,19:06) Ed, you beat me with that post, I was agreeing to the one you made above it. About the righteous remaining.
Hi Shimmer,I'm fast, ain't I?
Shimmer,
Cool I already knew that, i was trying to be humble about it and not bring it up so that the arguements didnt extend into what exactly was going to happen.
Truth is, no one really knows, exactly what is going to happen by the detail, unless we witness this get what im saying.
We know the big picture, but we havent seen it for ourselves and has yet to happen.Here is the point, New heaven, New earth.
First one gone.Ed J seems to think that I think the good will perish, i never said that.
I believe whats imperfect will be gone.Just like how 1 Corinthians 13: describes how when the Perfect come whats partial will be done away.
And all the other stuff will be done away.Ed J,
Since you love numbers do you have any idea how many posts you made directed towards me?
Do you know how annoying it is to come back here and find 5-6 posts reffered to me, when you could have just made one post.This is called flooding. Stop it.
Quote Hi SF,
1) The flood did not destroy the Earth, just the life in it.
2) I like your logic here! But point number 1 is a more accurate comparison.
I believe it is an invalid comparison to compare the resurrection of our bodies to the planet as a whole.
Let's look a bit closer at your point number 1…
Gen:9:11: And I will establish my covenant with you;
neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood;
neither shall there any more be a flood to
destroy the earth.
Would you make God out to be a liar? He promised not to destroy the Earth.
You are using deceitful human logic to say: “He never said he wouldn't destroy it with fire”.
Man lies. God always tall the truth (Heb.6:18), but sometimes man doesn't understand truth. (Isaiah 55:8-9)
First God destroyed all flesh in a flood, now he is going to destroy all 'flesh minded' by fire! (at separate times)
Romans 8:6-9
Do you realize what your saying. your adding to the scripture Ed.
First of all fact is there will be a new Earth, and new heaven, for the first one, will be done away. This is fact.
1) I asked you what happend during the flood? was the earth destroyed? NO it wasnt, DUH! because we are STILLL in the FIRST EARTH! thats my point Ed J.
You just proved it yourself. Fact is that what happend during the flood did not just kill all life, but everythign was utter destruction within it.Now Ed you are now lying. what i bolded in your quote is what im accusing you of.
Your stating that God promised not to destroy the earth at all.
Thats not what scripture is saying, he said he will not ever use the Flood to cut off life again or use it to destroy the earth.
But guess what Ed, the Earth wasnt destroyed the planet existed, but yet God said it was! intresting no?
This is what is said. Whether he will make a New Earth or not is not stated within this text.
I dont care if its by Fire, or just speaking a new earth into being, the point is that it WILL happen, whether its utter destruction or just a new creation. IT will happen.******TO ADD :EDIT:**********
What in the heck was the point of posting Rev 8?
Here is what you are using as proof.
Rev 8:6And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
You just said;Quote now he is going to destroy all 'flesh minded' by fire! (at separate times)
How in the heck does rev 8 prove this point?
where does it say flesh minded anywhere in there?
your adding to scripture Bod, i MEAN Ed.
Why do you make up stuff? You believe in nonesense.
********************************Quote Hi SF, Is not asking you “are you trying to disprove” also asking you to address Eccl.1:4 in light of your claims?
Thats not what you stated and i already answered the logic.
You implied, and i can re-quoute if your amnesia is kicking in.Quote I have not ignored it, but have explained it.The rudiments get destroyed, renewing the heaven and the Earth.
I already countered, and Said this: you never answered it, but only accused me of trying to disprove Eccl.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 12 2010,13:50) 2 Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also (*1) and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
*1- At that point, Peter Included that the earth will pass away and ends with the word AND ALSO the works that happen in the Earth.1. heaven and elements
2. Earth and Worksthinks about what its saying. So the Heaven will pass and the elements the knowledge will also pass,
and the Earth will pass and also the works.
so in other words the heaven and earth willl pass and so will knowlege and works.Quote Hi SF, Nice backpeddle, I will accept that as progress!
Your getting old, You been lost from the start. Catch up.Quote Hi SF, Is that what satan has whispered in your ear?
Here is what I said to Terraricca…
Ill show you:Quote Hi Terraricca,
There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!
For SF's sake, here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Your tag team doesnt impress me.Quote If you're believing false doctrines it's God's Job to convict you.
I merely asked you if you had a guilty conscience /
What are you blabbering about now?
You know what sad that we already agreed in many points it is you who ignored many points that i made, and not only that but refuse to accept the facts that There will be a new earth.
Just because you want to say is not so, is not proof.Quote I merely thought that since you wanted to believe the Earth would be destroyed that you didn't like it?
Let's put this issue to rest; OK? Do you like this Earth?
So i was right you were implying something.
honestly thats one stupid question, there isnt even a point to answer it.
Its nonesense.
IF i liked the earth, woudl that change anythign? if i didnt would it even matter?
It doesnt make any sense why someone in their right minds would believe that someone who “lives” all their life in the “earth” would not like it.
Its just such a obvious response that why in the heck would you ever ask such a question.
Let me ask you a question Ed J,
do you like Pain? do you like death?
Do you like Peace? do you like happiness?i mean heck if we are going to ask obvious questions lets all just hold hands and sing hippy songs.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,21:12) Ed J,
Since you love numbers do you have any idea how many posts you made directed towards me?
Do you know how annoying it is to come back here and find 5-6 posts reffered to me, when you could have just made one post.This is called flooding. Stop it.
Quote Hi SF,
1) The flood did not destroy the Earth, just the life in it.
2) I like your logic here! But point number 1 is a more accurate comparison.
I believe it is an invalid comparison to compare the resurrection of our bodies to the planet as a whole.
Let's look a bit closer at your point number 1…
Gen:9:11: And I will establish my covenant with you;
neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood;
neither shall there any more be a flood to
destroy the earth.
Would you make God out to be a liar? He promised not to destroy the Earth.
You are using deceitful human logic to say: “He never said he wouldn't destroy it with fire”.
Man lies. God always tall the truth (Heb.6:18), but sometimes man doesn't understand truth. (Isaiah 55:8-9)
First God destroyed all flesh in a flood, now he is going to destroy all 'flesh minded' by fire! (at separate times)
Romans 8:6-9******TO ADD :EDIT:**********
What in the heck was the point of posting Rev 8?
Here is what you are using as proof.
Rev 8:6And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
HI SF,Can you NOT see you have a bit of confusion going on?
I Posted ROMANS 8:6-9; not Revelations.Are you telling me what to do again?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,21:12) Quote Hi SF, Is not asking you “are you trying to disprove” also asking you to address Eccl.1:4 in light of your claims?
Thats not what you stated and i already answered the logic.
You implied, and i can re-quoute if your amnesia is kicking in.Quote I have not ignored it, but have explained it.The rudiments get destroyed, renewing the heaven and the Earth.
I already countered, and Said this: you never answered it, but only accused me of trying to disprove Eccl.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 12 2010,13:50) 2 Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also (*1) and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
*1- At that point, Peter Included that the earth will pass away and ends with the word AND ALSO the works that happen in the Earth.1. heaven and elements
2. Earth and Worksthinks about what its saying. So the Heaven will pass and the elements the knowledge will also pass,
and the Earth will pass and also the works.
so in other words the heaven and earth willl pass and so will knowlege and works.
Hi SF,I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,21:12) Ill show you: Quote Hi Terraricca,
There's a lot of false doctrines out there!
Terraricca, I knew I could count on you!
For SF's sake, here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Your tag team doesnt impress me.Quote If you're believing false doctrines it's God's Job to convict you.
I merely asked you if you had a guilty conscience /
What are you blabbering about now?
You know what sad that we already agreed in many points it is you who ignored many points that i made, and not only that but refuse to accept the facts that There will be a new earth.
Just because you want to say is not so, is not proof.Quote I merely thought that since you wanted to believe the Earth would be destroyed that you didn't like it?
Let's put this issue to rest; OK? Do you like this Earth?
Hi SF,The most significant point you refuse to accept.
The Earth did nothing wrong and will not be obliterated.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,21:12) So i was right you were implying something. honestly thats one stupid question, there isnt even a point to answer it.
Its nonesense.
IF i liked the earth, woudl that change anythign? (1)if i didnt would it even matter?
It doesnt make any sense why someone in their right minds would believe that someone who “lives” all their life in the “earth” would not like it.
Its just such a obvious response that why in the heck would you ever ask such a question.
Let me ask you a question Ed J,
(2)do you like Pain? (3)do you like death?
(4)Do you like Peace? (5)do you like happiness?i mean heck if we are going to ask obvious questions lets all just hold hands and sing hippy songs.
Hi SF,1) That would explain why you would think it is going to be destroyed.
2) When it informs me of an unknown injury.
3) The ego must die!
4) Not the kind muslims offer.
5) For who?You see your questions are based on your preconceived ideas of truth.
That's why you can't see what is going to be burned up and how.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,16:39) HI SF, Can you NOT see you have a bit of confusion going on?
I Posted ROMANS 8:6-9; not Revelations.Are you telling me what to do again?
You know right after i said not to flood this thread, you did it anyways.I was writing a post at 5am
So excuse me, yes I read it wrong.Yes im telling you not to flood this thread, make ONE post.
I created the thread i have every right to tell you to stop flooding.Quote Hi SF, I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J
Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.Quote Hi SF, The most significant point you refuse to accept.
The Earth did nothing wrong and will not be obliterated.Ed J
Who said the earth did anything wrong?
I never said it would be obliterated, i said it will pass away, if its by fire, so be it. Point is that there will be a Second/new earth thats perfect.
Obviosuly the earth we live in now is not perfect.Quote Hi SF, 1) That would explain why you would think it is going to be destroyed.
2) When it informs me of an unknown injury.
3) The ego must die!
4) Not the kind muslims offer.
5) For who?You see your questions are based on your preconceived ideas of truth.
That's why you can't see what is going to be burned up and how.Ed J
Oh wow so you quote and refute my exagerated post towards you?
1) You are foolish to think so, and ignorant.
2)nonesense
3)nonesense
4)nonesense
5)nonesenseIf you say you love God and that you have a relationship with God than for you to answer back with such a avoiding tactics to answer the direct question.
I have figured you out now.
You want to believe only what fits your imaginations.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,17:56) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 14 2010,16:30) Its like asking: “Ed J you dont like women? “
Than other will think your homosexual based on that question. I would be implying that your a homosexual within my question.
Get the picture?Your implying either in purpose or not, but its not good, I cant tell. why dont you tell me.
Im refuting your implications within your actual question Ed J.
Hi SF,Hey fella, leths keep my thsexuality out of thith OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hey D-linquent!
Did you see Shimmer's post? That word “aion” is the word translated “eternity” in the LXX translation of Micah 5:2!
Look for more in “Was Jesus created”.
peace and love,
mikeCan anyone show me a scripture that says the present planet earth will remain forever, and only the bad things on it will be destroyed?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2010,21:15) Can anyone show me a scripture that says the present planet earth will remain forever, and only the bad things on it will be destroyed? mike
Mikehere is my finfings;Job 38:13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?Ps 2:8 Ask of me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.(Christ )Ps 21:10 You will destroy their descendants from the earth,
their posterity from mankind.
Ps 22:27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,Ps 34:16 the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to cut off the memory of them from the earthPs 46:8 Come and see the works of the LORD,
the desolations he has brought on the earth.Ps 50:4 He summons the heavens above,
and the earth, that he may judge his people:
Ps 57:5 Be exalted, O God, above the heavens;
let your glory be over all the earth.Ps 59:13 consume them in wrath,
consume them till they are no more.
Then it will be known to the ends of the earth
that God rules over Jacob.Ps 65:5 You answer us with awesome deeds of righteousness,
O God our Savior,
the hope of all the ends of the earth
and of the farthest seas,
Ps 66:1 Shout with joy to God, all the earth!
Ps 66:4 All the earth bows down to you;
they sing praise to you,
they sing praise to your namePs 75:8 In the hand of the LORD is a cup
full of foaming wine mixed with spices;
he pours it out, and all the wicked of the earth
drink it down to its very dregs.Ps 89:11 The heavens are yours, and yours also the earth;
SO GOD WILL NOT DESTROY THE PLANET TO REMOVE THE DUST OF IT .Ps 98:9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.Ps 104:30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earthTHERE IS MORE BUT I GUESS THIS SHOULD DO FOR NOW.
Pierre
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01) Quote Hi SF, I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J
Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.
Hi SF,You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)
If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01) (1)If you say you love God and that you have a relationship with God than for you to answer back with such a avoiding tactics to answer the direct question. I have figured you out now.
You want to believe only what fits your imaginations.
Hi SF,1) What direct question are you accusing me of not addressing? (Isaiah 54:17)
2) You're beginning to see your own reflection; don't like what you see? (Rom.2:3)
James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For
he beholdeth himself (Psalm 18:25-27), and goeth his way,
and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Psalm 18:25-27 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will show
thyself froward. For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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