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Well shoot!
I need to start scrolling down to see if there is an attempt 2 before I spend time reading attempt one.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 04 2010,22:34) Well shoot!
I need to start scrolling down to see if there is an attempt 2 before I spend time reading attempt one. Tim
Is that a vote for ethics-free, baby-eating non-believers to get editing rights?Stuart
You know Stuart have been doing some thinking in regards to your theory's, and since I do not have time to become a rocket scientist, I stick with just basic women's intuition, bottom line with you is everything stems from random reason.
Randomly, the earth is placed where it is at, randomly our bodies need what the earth produces to survive, randomly our genes just surpassed all others, randomly, I was created a women, randomly, women bear children, randomly, has lead me where I am right now, randomly, my son has chose to play in the snow today (and build a very large snowman, and practice a little snow board, which by the case he needs a bit more practice, I do enjoy watching the look on his face when he knows he is going down though) randomly, I have a sister who is dear to me, not only earthly as well as spiritually.
I find random to chaotic, no plan or structure.
I have a tendency to think that perfection is something you desire to attain, to find imperfect in a subject is your foundation to discredit.
You ask others to recieve what you bring to the table, it seems you do not return the favor. Why is that?
I will stay with my imaginary friend, He is much more exciting, loving, graceful, and merciful. You have been a blessing in my life Stuart, have sharpen my iron a bit, thank you.
Take care of yourself Stuart, The Big Ape
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 04 2010,15:05) If you really wanted to know you could look it up on the internet pretty easily. So why don’t you do that and get back to us when you know something about it.
Hi Stu,Still angry? Where's your good Samaritan spirit? I like to spend my time reading God's Word and talking to others about it. I'll leave all the internet searching for truth outside of God to you and yours.
But I'll tell YOU (there is no “us” – you're a one man show) that all I need to know is that I am a product of a loving God who cares deeply for me. I'm extremely happy with that. I hope someday you will find happiness. You always seem so angry. Hey! Check on the internet with your scientist buddies – I think that being angry all the time is a detriment to the length of “the one and only life you have”.
as always, I pray God will give you peace and love,
mikeMike
Quote I like to spend my time reading God's Word and talking to others about it. I'll leave all the internet searching for truth outside of God to you and yours.
Does that mean you will only comment on biology once you have done your homework? If so, then I can only approve, not that you need my approval!Quote But I'll tell YOU (there is no “us” – you're a one man show) that all I need to know is that I am a product of a loving God who cares deeply for me. I'm extremely happy with that. I hope someday you will find happiness.
I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?Quote You always seem so angry. Hey! Check on the internet with your scientist buddies – I think that being angry all the time is a detriment to the length of “the one and only life you have”.
On virtually any other subject I am sure I would not seem to you to be angry. As I explained, christianity brings out the worst in me. And other people too!Stuart
Pof theK
Quote You know Stuart have been doing some thinking in regards to your theory's, and since I do not have time to become a rocket scientist, I stick with just basic women's intuition, bottom line with you is everything stems from random reason.
Not sure what those last two words mean together. Maybe we could agree that I believe there is no intent behind the universe, and you believe there is.Quote Randomly, the earth is placed where it is at, randomly our bodies need what the earth produces to survive, randomly our genes just surpassed all others, randomly, I was created a women, randomly, women bear children, randomly, has lead me where I am right now, randomly, my son has chose to play in the snow today (and build a very large snowman, and practice a little snow board, which by the case he needs a bit more practice, I do enjoy watching the look on his face when he knows he is going down though) randomly, I have a sister who is dear to me, not only earthly as well as spiritually.
I think none of these things are random. Every one of them is an effect of a cause that follows laws of how things behave in this universe (although of course I don’t agree that you were ‘created’, except in the general manner that parents create children).Quote I find random to chaotic, no plan or structure.
Yes, but there is plenty of structure. What you are arguing is that there is intent behind that structure, while I am saying all that structure comes about spontaneously, just as salt crystal structure is spontaneous.Quote I have a tendency to think that perfection is something you desire to attain, to find imperfect in a subject is your foundation to discredit.
Creationism is base level lying about natural history, and lies are what I have been railing against. I presume you respect reality, no matter what it turns out to be?Quote You ask others to recieve what you bring to the table, it seems you do not return the favor. Why is that?
Don’t think that I do not consider what is said. But with creationist lies there is nothing new under the sun, I have heard most of it before. Actually the number of creationist claims has been decreasing over time; some of those claims are just too embarrassing to repeat in intelligent company. The bluff has been called on many of them by real science and it would appear that even creationists have a bottom level of dignity.Quote I will stay with my imaginary friend, He is much more exciting, loving, graceful, and merciful. You have been a blessing in my life Stuart, have sharpen my iron a bit, thank you.
Always grateful for the privilege of an audience with royalty!Stuart
Stuart,
We agree to disagree.
What I do find however is the similarities in us, randomly you are kind and gentle towards me, by divine intervention you were brought into my life and will be kept in my heart and prayers for a lifetime.Quote I presume you respect reality, no matter what it turns out to be? This question has never been ask of me, it is one that will need pondered on for a bit.
As always Stuart, it has been a pleasure.
Take care.
p.s. I cannot wait until you become part of the kingdom also, we could play backgammon.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe.
Hi Stu,And with that amazing brain you can also reflect on a beautiful piece of music, a wonderful painting, or lovely poetry. And you can laugh and laugh with family and friends. Or ponder the big questions of why are we here, where do we come from, where are we going. You can even process such an incredible amount of information that you can travel through space and maybe soon, time. You can peek back through the past and try to plot your future. And just think; none of these things are necessary for the survival of our species.
Makes you wonder why that “humor” gene mutated in the first place.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (princess of the king @ Mar. 02 2010,22:28) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:20) I also laugh at what evolves. Such as the evolution of the Internet, or the evolution of the mobile phone etc.
http://www.networkworld.com/slidesh….et.htmlUmm. Weren't they created?
Yes the subject matter you speak of are created, they have a designer, the only way for the subject to evole would be by the designer itself or by what you do yourself t8, evole your web site by coding.You are the creator and designer of Heaven Net, the site evoles as you reprogram or recode the system.
The system does not evole itself.
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 06 2010,10:51) p.s. I cannot wait until you become part of the kingdom also, we could play backgammon.
If more than 2 can play in the heavenly version, I could join in.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
You speak as I and being outside of time and body and that you were lucky to land here and in this time.So you are acknowledging that the real “I/ME” is not the product of the body itself, but is a mere vessel that houses you?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2010,11:18) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. And with that amazing brain you can also reflect on a beautiful piece of music, a wonderful painting, or lovely poetry. And you can laugh and laugh with family and friends. Or ponder the big questions of why are we here, where do we come from, where are we going. You can even process such an incredible amount of information that you can travel through space and maybe soon, time. You can peek back through the past and try to plot your future. And just think; none of these things are necessary for the survival of our species.[/quote]
How are they not, but more importantly why would they have to be?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2010,13:03) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
You speak as I and being outside of time and body and that you were lucky to land here and in this time.So you are acknowledging that the real “I/ME” is not the product of the body itself, but is a mere vessel that houses you?
I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here t8.It's English I'll grant you, but that doesn't seem to be much help!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2010,11:18) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. And with that amazing brain you can also reflect on a beautiful piece of music, a wonderful painting, or lovely poetry. And you can laugh and laugh with family and friends. Or ponder the big questions of why are we here, where do we come from, where are we going. You can even process such an incredible amount of information that you can travel through space and maybe soon, time. You can peek back through the past and try to plot your future. And just think; none of these things are necessary for the survival of our species.
How are they not, but more importantly why would they have to be?Stuart[/quote]
Hi Stu,You told me in the Charles Darwin topic:
Quote Mutations, sexual recombination and copying errors in DNA replication lead to variation in the population. That is all that is needed for natural selection to work. From that range of different individuals, those organisms that possess the traits that give the best chances of survival and reproduction are the ones that survive to reproduce, and their traits become more common in the population. That is evolution by natural selection. How does an appreciation of Rembrandt become a trait that gives the best chances of survival and reprodution?
How about a sense of humor (which apparently you have):
Quote I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here t8. It's English I'll grant you, but that doesn't seem to be much help!
I'm still laughing my butt off!
Point is that all these wonderful gifts that God gave us are not necessary for human survival, but they sure increase the quality of the lives we live.
(My friend is looking over my shoulder and wants me to ask you a question.) From Elizabeth: How can you explain love using science?
Peace and love,
mikeQuote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:35) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2010,13:03) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
You speak as I and being outside of time and body and that you were lucky to land here and in this time.So you are acknowledging that the real “I/ME” is not the product of the body itself, but is a mere vessel that houses you?
I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here t8.It's English I'll grant you, but that doesn't seem to be much help!
Stuart
Hopefully this is English enough for you.Are you the product of your body in this place and time?
Because if you are, there was never the possibility that you could have been born in India, and in the eighteenth century. A person born in India at that time is not you.But if you are a soul or a spirit that is put into a body like a suit, then it is possible. As you queue up in the soul queue waiting for an available womb on Earth, you could have been born where ever whenever depending on the premise that the process is first in the queue gets the first available womb.
You seemed to be talking as if you believed the second option though. That you were somehow not your body and had the possibility of having another body elsewhere and in another time.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
Are you really happy knowing that you are a dirty ape who will become potting mix one day?That doesn't really do it for me.
Mike
Quote How does an appreciation of Rembrandt become a trait that gives the best chances of survival and reprodution?
Why could it not be a byproduct of some other adaptation that does have an advantage?Religious experience is another example. It is clearly absurd to believe in gods, but maybe the reason it is such a powerful delusion is one or a combination of these:
The question of god-belief is experienced before the age of five, when the human brain is programmed to believe whatever adults say, for the obvious survival advantages that accrue from that. Believing what adults say about gods that are not really there gets taken on along with all the other useful stuff.
Recent research appears to suggest that there are real developmental advantages, say in language, to be had by keeping an imaginary friend. Maybe this advantageous adaptation causes some to carry through their Imaginary Friend into adulthood, the effect perhaps also involving the other factors in this list.
Humans are voracious pattern-seekers, which is crucial for finding food in the environments that humans have inhabited. Very often we will see patterns that are not really there. This certainly explains the popularity of lotteries, UFO sightings, Dan Brown or astrology. To some, the universe appears designed because it has some of the features of objects that are designed by humans. That is no reason to conclude that the universe IS designed, but we see patterns and conclude all sorts of things, even when the pattern is really just a chance thing, or a spontaneous effect.
In tribal communities, if the individual egos of the members can be suppressed and focussed on the needs of the group as a whole, then there is a survival advantage through mutual support. One way to suppress egos is for leaders to invent an unknowable, all-powerful (more powerful at anything than anyone) being that dispenses unthinkable punishments for breaking group rules. Maybe that invention of a god has had so great an advantage that there has been natural selection of those more susceptible to believing it. The figures for believers and non-believers around the world is pretty consistent, which does indicate a genetic effect. Separated twin studies show a marked genetic cause of devout religious belief.
Quote How can you explain love using science?
First consider whether dissecting it will ruin it for you! (Compare the accusation that Isaac Newton destroyed the beauty of the rainbow by determining what caused it). Ask yourself what you love. Ask yourself what the advantages are for the continuation of your genes of you expressing love. Aside from the obvious advantages for genes of expressing sexual love, you love family members close to you who carry many genes in common with you, and you love friends who support you (and thus help your survival) and as you move outwards you may well find the degree of love is proportional to how closely related you are and to what extent you and others gain mutual survival benefit from experiencing love, although to be fair it is more complicated than that, for example is the kind of love you show expressed in various other ways just because you are programmed by your genes to love people and things in general?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,08:59) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:35) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2010,13:03) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
You speak as I and being outside of time and body and that you were lucky to land here and in this time.So you are acknowledging that the real “I/ME” is not the product of the body itself, but is a mere vessel that houses you?
I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here t8.It's English I'll grant you, but that doesn't seem to be much help!
Stuart
Hopefully this is English enough for you.Are you the product of your body in this place and time?
Because if you are, there was never the possibility that you could have been born in India, and in the eighteenth century. A person born in India at that time is not you.But if you are a soul or a spirit that is put into a body like a suit, then it is possible. As you queue up in the soul queue waiting for an available womb on Earth, you could have been born where ever whenever depending on the premise that the process is first in the queue gets the first available womb.
You seemed to be talking as if you believed the second option though. That you were somehow not your body and had the possibility of having another body elsewhere and in another time.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Sounds like crackpottery to me.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,09:09) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 05 2010,15:00) I am extremely privileged to have beaten the odds and been born at all, and especially born of a species with a brain that makes me capable of reflection on my place in the universe. Even better, I have been born after 1859, so I have the further advantage of a complete, evidence-based scientific explanation for my existence on earth. How could I be happier than I am already?
Are you really happy knowing that you are a dirty ape who will become potting mix one day?That doesn't really do it for me.
Sorry to disappoint you with reality then.Not sure about the 'dirty' part. We are both apes t8, and you have never said what problem you have with that fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,12:09) Sorry to disappoint you with reality then. Not sure about the 'dirty' part. We are both apes t8, and you have never said what problem you have with that fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
Stuart
I gave you video evidence that apes are dirty. Do you require proof to be observable or not?
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