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  • #181307

    For anyone who needs laymen terms in regards to evolution Cosmic Fingerprints by Perry Marshall is absolutely the best I have found.

    His thought process in regards to the whole matter is what has been needed.

    He states:

    No one has ever discovered a code that was ultimately disigned by someone.

    Nothing in the purely physical world creates plans, instructions, code or symbols.

    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.

    That radom mutation of DNA would cause extincition.

    You cannot re-write a sentence one letter at a time.

    If Evolution happened it was designed to happen.

    Evolution is not a random process it is an engineered process (this is science it can be studied)

    My favorites are:

    Language is the basis of all creative living acts.

    Coummunicaton and Language are the metaphor that unlocks the mystery of life.

    This one if for you Stuart:

    'Show me a message that does not come from a mind'

    Finally someone who has taken a step in faith and tore down the walls of conflict regarding this matter.

    If you are like me and do not understand what some speak about in regards to the matter, please visit his web site.

    #181311
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 01 2010,14:43)
    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.


    Hi Princess,

    Thank you for the tip, I will sure check it out.

    I was watching a show on Discovery about dinosaurs tonight, and I had to laugh when the guy was saying how this certain dino was “engineered” so perfectly by evolution.  That one was even funnier than when these scientists say things they could only possibly guess at like it's a known fact.

    peace and love,
    mike

    #181317
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I also laugh at what evolves. Such as the evolution of the Internet, or the evolution of the mobile phone etc.
    http://www.networkworld.com/slidesh….et.html

    Umm. Weren't they created?

    #181340
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 01 2010,14:43)
    For anyone who needs laymen terms in regards to evolution Cosmic Fingerprints by Perry Marshall is absolutely the best I have found.

    His thought process in regards to the whole matter is what has been needed.

    He states:

    No one has ever discovered a code that was ultimately disigned by someone.

    Nothing in the purely physical world creates plans, instructions, code or symbols.

    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.

    That radom mutation of DNA would cause extincition.

    You cannot re-write a sentence one letter at a time.

    If Evolution happened it was designed to happen.

    Evolution is not a random process it is an engineered process (this is science it can be studied)

    My favorites are:

    Language is the basis of all creative living acts.

    Coummunicaton and Language are the metaphor that unlocks the mystery of life.

    This one if for you Stuart:

    'Show me a message that does not come from a mind'

    Finally someone who has taken a step in faith and tore down the walls of conflict regarding this matter.

    If you are like me and do not understand what some speak about in regards to the matter, please visit his web site.


    You know, I think Saul of Tarsus might have something to say to this creationist idiot.

    Because he is simply lying, he is really showing he is without love for the things he is writing. Corinthians tells us what a clanging bell his voice is.

    His mythology is just wrong, and dull. Is blinding oneself to the astonishing reality of cosmology and evolutionary biology a pre-requisite of christian belief?

    If it is, then christian belief is for losers: those who have lost out on some of the best true stories there are.

    Stuart

    #181341
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:00)

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 01 2010,14:43)
    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.


    Hi Princess,

    Thank you for the tip, I will sure check it out.

    I was watching a show on Discovery about dinosaurs tonight, and I had to laugh when the guy was saying how this certain dino was “engineered” so perfectly by evolution.  That one was even funnier than when these scientists say things they could only possibly guess at like it's a known fact.

    peace and love,
    mike


    And when you laugh at those scientists, it is because you know all about it, right?

    Stuart

    #181346

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 01 2010,19:28)

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 01 2010,14:43)
    For anyone who needs laymen terms in regards to evolution Cosmic Fingerprints by Perry Marshall is absolutely the best I have found.

    His thought process in regards to the whole matter is what has been needed.

    He states:

    No one has ever discovered a code that was ultimately disigned by someone.

    Nothing in the purely physical world creates plans, instructions, code or symbols.

    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.

    That radom mutation of DNA would cause extincition.

    You cannot re-write a sentence one letter at a time.

    If Evolution happened it was designed to happen.

    Evolution is not a random process it is an engineered process (this is science it can be studied)

    My favorites are:

    Language is the basis of all creative living acts.

    Coummunicaton and Language are the metaphor that unlocks the mystery of life.

    This one if for you Stuart:

    'Show me a message that does not come from a mind'

    Finally someone who has taken a step in faith and tore down the walls of conflict regarding this matter.

    If you are like me and do not understand what some speak about in regards to the matter, please visit his web site.


    You know, I think Saul of Tarsus might have something to say to this creationist idiot.

    Because he is simply lying, he is really showing he is without love for the things he is writing.  Corinthians tells us what a clanging bell his voice is.

    His mythology is just wrong, and dull.  Is blinding oneself to the astonishing reality of cosmology and evolutionary biology a pre-requisite of christian belief?

    If it is, then christian belief is for losers:  those who have lost out on some of the best true stories there are.

    Stuart


    Stuart

    Did you take the time and listen to him?

    How can DNA be boring, it is quite the fascinating.

    It is good to see you post some scripture to disclaim his meaning.

    Take Care

    #181359
    Stu
    Participant

    PoftheK

    Did I say DNA was boring? It is the idiot who clangs on about it, misrepresenting real science as he goes who is boring.

    He has no understanding of the science, and no love for the subject. This is why christianity is bad for humanity: the ONLY reason he has to tell lies is because he has a pig-headed adherence to his belief system.

    Is he a 'good person'? If so, it has taken his religion to make him do bad. He has no other motive to lie about others and their dedicated work but for his religious fantasy story that just has to be right regardless of what lies it takes to maintain it.

    It's a shame his beliefs are sustained by lies, don't you think?

    Stuart

    #181493

    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:20)
    I also laugh at what evolves. Such as the evolution of the Internet, or the evolution of the mobile phone etc.
    http://www.networkworld.com/slidesh….et.html

    Umm. Weren't they created?


    Yes the subject matter you speak of are created, they have a designer, the only way for the subject to evole would be by the designer itself or by what you do yourself t8, evole your web site by coding.

    You are the creator and designer of Heaven Net, the site evoles as you reprogram or recode the system.

    The system does not evole itself.

    #181501

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 02 2010,04:25)
    PoftheK

    Did I say DNA was boring?  It is the idiot who clangs on about it, misrepresenting real science as he goes who is boring.

    He has no understanding of the science, and no love for the subject.  This is why christianity is bad for humanity:  the ONLY reason he has to tell lies is because he has a pig-headed adherence to his belief system.  

    Is he a 'good person'?  If so, it has taken his religion to make him do bad.  He has no other motive to lie about others and their dedicated work but for his religious fantasy story that just has to be right regardless of what lies it takes to maintain it.

    It's a shame his beliefs are sustained by lies, don't you think?

    Stuart


    Stuart,

    First off let me apologize for statement of calling your responses absurd, this was posted in another thread.

    What I do find your response to Marshall's finding is lacking.

    He states that he does believe evolution occurs, due to fact it is designed to occur.

    No, Stuart, when one searches for the truth of a matter, and purely in their heart only do this to bring others to him, what is taught cannot be disproved. This is the path of some, we all what to know some why if's or how's, is that not how science came about in the first place?

    I understand you feel religion brings about such things, I thought we were past this, re hashing does not change the fact your response is lacking to disprove what Marshall speaks of.

    Since you say he is lying, explain to me where he is, point the conflict out and correct the information.

    Either your stand is Evolution by science or a Natrualistic Evolutionist by random process.

    Let me know.

    #181515
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 02 2010,22:28)

    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:20)
    I also laugh at what evolves. Such as the evolution of the Internet, or the evolution of the mobile phone etc.
    http://www.networkworld.com/slidesh….et.html

    Umm. Weren't they created?


    Yes the subject matter  you speak of are created, they have a designer, the only way for the subject to evole would be by the designer itself or by what you do yourself t8, evole your web site by coding.

    You are the creator and designer of Heaven Net, the site evoles as you reprogram or recode the system.

    The system does not evole itself.


    But just because these things are designed, it does not mean that the universe is!

    Analogy is not evidence.

    Stuart

    #181516
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 03 2010,02:37)

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 02 2010,04:25)
    PoftheK

    Did I say DNA was boring?  It is the idiot who clangs on about it, misrepresenting real science as he goes who is boring.

    He has no understanding of the science, and no love for the subject.  This is why christianity is bad for humanity:  the ONLY reason he has to tell lies is because he has a pig-headed adherence to his belief system.  

    Is he a 'good person'?  If so, it has taken his religion to make him do bad.  He has no other motive to lie about others and their dedicated work but for his religious fantasy story that just has to be right regardless of what lies it takes to maintain it.

    It's a shame his beliefs are sustained by lies, don't you think?

    Stuart


    Stuart,

    First off let me apologize for statement of calling your responses absurd, this was posted in another thread.

    What I do find your response to Marshall's finding is lacking.

    He states that he does believe evolution occurs, due to fact it is designed to occur.

    No, Stuart, when one searches for the truth of a matter, and purely in their heart only do this to bring others to him, what is taught cannot be disproved. This is the path of some, we all what to know some why if's or how's, is that not how science came about in the first place?  

    I understand you feel religion brings about such things, I thought we were past this, re hashing does not change the fact your response is lacking to disprove what Marshall speaks of.

    Since you say he is lying, explain to me where he is, point the conflict out and correct the information.

    Either your stand is Evolution by science or a Natrualistic Evolutionist by random process.

    Let me know.


    He lies about mutation: the human genome is mutating all the time.

    He lies about “random”: the process of mutation is random, there is no pattern in the mutations that happen.

    He lies about sentences: you can rewrite sentences one letter at a time. To save time I will do it with just one word:

    LEAD
    LEAF
    LOAF
    LOAD
    GOAD
    GOLD

    All of these are legitimate words in their own right.

    He lies when he says: Evolution is not a random process it is an engineered process (this is science it can be studied)

    The science says otherwise. He is just trying to smear the science by not distinguishing between the random and non-random aspects of it. Mutation is random, the natural selection that filters those mutations for survival and reproductive advantage is not.

    He's a clanging loveless liar.

    More later.

    Stuart

    #181550
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 03 2010,05:58)

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 02 2010,22:28)

    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:20)
    I also laugh at what evolves. Such as the evolution of the Internet, or the evolution of the mobile phone etc.
    http://www.networkworld.com/slidesh….et.html

    Umm. Weren't they created?


    Yes the subject matter  you speak of are created, they have a designer, the only way for the subject to evole would be by the designer itself or by what you do yourself t8, evole your web site by coding.

    You are the creator and designer of Heaven Net, the site evoles as you reprogram or recode the system.

    The system does not evole itself.


    But just because these things are designed, it does not mean that the universe is!

    Analogy is not evidence.

    Stuart


    Analogy= Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

    So you admit that there is no evidence for evolution? All fossils are either Analogous or Homologous.

    Analogy is evidence of similarity.

    Also the Universe is a system of objects submitted to forces that follow absolute laws and therefor are designed for a specific purpose.

    #181551
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 03 2010,06:05)

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 03 2010,02:37)

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 02 2010,04:25)
    PoftheK

    Did I say DNA was boring?  It is the idiot who clangs on about it, misrepresenting real science as he goes who is boring.

    He has no understanding of the science, and no love for the subject.  This is why christianity is bad for humanity:  the ONLY reason he has to tell lies is because he has a pig-headed adherence to his belief system.  

    Is he a 'good person'?  If so, it has taken his religion to make him do bad.  He has no other motive to lie about others and their dedicated work but for his religious fantasy story that just has to be right regardless of what lies it takes to maintain it.

    It's a shame his beliefs are sustained by lies, don't you think?

    Stuart


    Stuart,

    First off let me apologize for statement of calling your responses absurd, this was posted in another thread.

    What I do find your response to Marshall's finding is lacking.

    He states that he does believe evolution occurs, due to fact it is designed to occur.

    No, Stuart, when one searches for the truth of a matter, and purely in their heart only do this to bring others to him, what is taught cannot be disproved. This is the path of some, we all what to know some why if's or how's, is that not how science came about in the first place?  

    I understand you feel religion brings about such things, I thought we were past this, re hashing does not change the fact your response is lacking to disprove what Marshall speaks of.

    Since you say he is lying, explain to me where he is, point the conflict out and correct the information.

    Either your stand is Evolution by science or a Natrualistic Evolutionist by random process.

    Let me know.


    He lies about mutation: the human genome is mutating all the time.

    He lies about “random”: the process of mutation is random, there is no pattern in the mutations that happen.

    He lies about sentences: you can rewrite sentences one letter at a time.  To save time I will do it with just one word:

    LEAD
    LEAF
    LOAF
    LOAD
    GOAD
    GOLD

    All of these are legitimate words in their own right.

    He lies when he says: Evolution is not a random process it is an engineered process (this is science it can be studied)

    The science says otherwise.  He is just trying to smear the science by not distinguishing between the random and non-random aspects of it.  Mutation is random, the natural selection that filters those mutations for survival and reproductive advantage is not.

    He's a clanging loveless liar.

    More later.

    Stuart


    The letters you are using are not random and therefore have meaning, you are using a lettering system if you were truly being random you could act outside that system but it would not mean anything.

    Your example was one of Conscious engineering

    #181635
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 01 2010,19:29)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2010,15:00)

    Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 01 2010,14:43)
    DNA is a code/language, all codes that we know have an origin or are designed, therefore DNA is designed.


    Hi Princess,

    Thank you for the tip, I will sure check it out.

    I was watching a show on Discovery about dinosaurs tonight, and I had to laugh when the guy was saying how this certain dino was “engineered” so perfectly by evolution.  That one was even funnier than when these scientists say things they could only possibly guess at like it's a known fact.

    peace and love,
    mike


    And when you laugh at those scientists, it is because you know all about it, right?

    Stuart


    Hi Stu,

    Absolutely not.  That's why it is funny for me.  To hear some “expert” equipped only with some bones of an extinct animal carry on about what it ate, what kind of environment it lived in, how it was a pack-hunter not a solitary hunter, how it later evolved into a t rex, etc. is funny because their is NO way in the world they KNOW this.  And they don't even bother saying stuff like “we think” or “it might have” anymore.  They talk like they were there and know facts, just like you, Stu.

    The truth is that science has no more of a clue about the origins of life now than they had 200 years ago.

    Until you can show me proof that it didn't happen exactly as the Bible says it did, then why would anyone care what you, a mere man thinks?

    One quick question about your god, evolution.  That Discovery show I was watching was saying how, with all the CO2 in the atmosphere, plant life thrived, making it possible for the herbovores to grow to over 50 tons.  Then they started talking about raptors saying, where there are plant eaters, there is sure to be carnivores.

    That got me thinking again – Why?  If there was plenty of plants to eat, why did some dinos evolve into carnivores?  And what did they eat during this evolution while their teeth became too sharp to grind plants, but not sharp enough to tear through the hide of the herbovores?

    I still pray for you
    peace and love,
    mike

    #181662
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2010,08:45)
    The letters you are using are not random and therefore have meaning, you are using a lettering system if you were truly being random you could act outside that system but it would not mean anything.

    Your example was one of Conscious engineering


    In the case of the amino acid letters that make up proteins, or the base letters that form the DNA code, these molecules form spontaneously in reactions such as the Urey-Miller one. There is no concious engineering required to make them.

    The words I wrote have meaning, as do DNA codes. The meaning of DNA is a chemical translation from a coding system to the molecules they produce, the substances that actually do some useful biochemical job and thus survived the culling process of natural selection, which in turn helped the survival and replication of the base molecules that code for that machine.

    Now why don't you tell me what an idiot I have been for not knowing this stuff. That is your usual routine.

    Stuart

    #181663
    Stu
    Participant

    Mike

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    Absolutely not. That's why it is funny for me.


    Glad real science is an amusement to you. Do you chuckle at the silly doctor who tries to cure your infection with antibiotics? What does he know, eh?

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    To hear some “expert” equipped only with some bones of an extinct animal carry on about what it ate, what kind of environment it lived in, how it was a pack-hunter not a solitary hunter, how it later evolved into a t rex, etc. is funny because their is NO way in the world they KNOW this.


    Don’t you know any zoology?? If this is the extent of you knowledge please tell me what point there is discussing it with you.

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    And they don't even bother saying stuff like “we think” or “it might have” anymore. They talk like they were there and know facts, just like you, Stu.


    Are you going to give specific examples, or just smear all of science? Why don’t you hand back your car keys and give away your TV. Obviously the science on which they are based is lies too.

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    The truth is that science has no more of a clue about the origins of life now than they had 200 years ago.


    Why don’t you get back to us when you know something about it.

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    Until you can show me proof that it didn't happen exactly as the Bible says it did, then why would anyone care what you, a mere man thinks?


    There is no such thing as proof, except in mathematics. The evidence is pretty damning though. Archeology says there never was an exodus. Geology says that there never was a global flood. The fossil record says there never was a time of just two humans.

    What do you conclude about your religious fantasy story from those facts? That it is reliable nevertheless?

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    One quick question about your god, evolution. That Discovery show I was watching was saying how, with all the CO2 in the atmosphere, plant life thrived, making it possible for the herbovores to grow to over 50 tons. Then they started talking about raptors saying, where there are plant eaters, there is sure to be carnivores. That got me thinking again – Why? If there was plenty of plants to eat, why did some dinos evolve into carnivores? And what did they eat during this evolution while their teeth became too sharp to grind plants, but not sharp enough to tear through the hide of the herbovores?


    Glad to read that you thought about it. Keep thinking.

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    I still pray for you


    Maybe you should waste less of this one precious life you have on that, and spend it on something more profitable, like learning about biology. Natural history is a story that is so vivid and amazing that by comparison Judeo-christian is shown up for the dull egocentric nonsense that it really is.

    Stuart

    #181782
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Hi Stu,

    My, my – you are sounding angry again.

    You said:

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    Glad real science is an amusement to you.  Do you chuckle at the silly doctor who tries to cure your infection with antibiotics?  What does he know, eh?   Why don’t you hand back your car keys and give away your TV.  Obviously the science on which they are based is lies too.

    Did you not understand my amusement is derived from these scientists taking about something that (according to them) lived 50 million years ago.  And they talk like they were there and observed it's behavior.  All the things you mentioned are things we all can see and know about.  And your only “real” response to that part of my post was,

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    Don’t you know any zoology??  If this is the extent of you knowledge please tell me what point there is discussing it with you.

    No Stu. :(   Sadly enough I only know what I learn from Discovery.  Why don't you give me the crash course on how they can “know” so much stuff from a 50 million year old bone.

    You said:

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    There is no such thing as proof, except in mathematics.  The evidence is pretty damning though.  Archeology says there never was an exodus.  Geology says that there never was a global flood.  The fossil record says there never was a time of just two humans.  

    Archeologists make new discoveries all the time.  They recently found a dish with the family name Goliath on it right in the area where Saul and the Philistines did battle.  Doesn't prove much, but now we know that the name Goliath was a real name in that time period.

    Geologists talk about a layer (I forget the name of it) that below are dino bones and above there are none.  They think because it has “space dust particles” or whatever that it might be what settled after an astroid hit the earth and wiped out all the dinos.  What if the water that God flooded  the earth with was “space dust” water?  Can you prove it wasn't?

    The fossil record is limited to what we have found so far.  Keep digging, you'll find your proof.  

    And what if the carbon dating method is flawed.  From what I understand about it, carbon is released from things at a reliable rate, thereby enabling scientists to “date” something by measuring the amount of carbon that has been released.  But what if, say 5000 years ago something happened to make carbon release a a much higher rate?  Could a bone that is dated 50 million years old really be only 6000 years old?  Seriously, Stu, COULD it be possible?

    You said:

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    Glad to read that you thought about it.  Keep thinking

    What?  No answer to my question?  Listen brother, I am not a smart man.  I have very limited knowledge about most things.  I could have googled the particle layer thingy and other stuff, but I don't care that much about knowing the details of all of this.  I do know with my small brain, that you or science or evolution cannot explain WHY a fish would just out of the blue evolve into a tree or land animal, let alone how this process could happen.  I mean, did it start off breathing water for 99% of the day and air for the other percent?  And then slowly over a billion years reduce that to air 99% of the day and water the other percent?  What did it feed on in the process?

    These are SIMPLE inquiries from a SIMPLE brain which should be able to be answered (at least in part) with a SIMPLE answer that doesn't include a million details.

    peace and love to you Stu,
    mike

    #181797
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2010,08:45)
    The letters you are using are not random and therefore have meaning, you are using a lettering system if you were truly being random you could act outside that system but it would not mean anything.

    Your example was one of Conscious engineering


    Are you saying that “B” has inherent meaning?

    Stuart

    #181799
    Stu
    Participant

    Mike

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    Why don't you give me the crash course on how they can “know” so much stuff from a 50 million year old bone.


    If you really wanted to know you could look it up on the internet pretty easily. So why don’t you do that and get back to us when you know something about it.

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    Archeologists make new discoveries all the time. They recently found a dish with the family name Goliath on it right in the area where Saul and the Philistines did battle. Doesn't prove much, but now we know that the name Goliath was a real name in that time period.


    Wow, Goliath a real name, eh?

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    Geologists talk about a layer (I forget the name of it) that below are dino bones and above there are none. They think because it has “space dust particles” or whatever that it might be what settled after an astroid hit the earth and wiped out all the dinos. What if the water that God flooded the earth with was “space dust” water? Can you prove it wasn't?


    As I had just been explaining to you, there is no such thing are proof in science, so of course not.

    The iridium layer, to which you refer, is not geologically a layer of flooding. Did you read this fantasy on a creationist website or just make it up yourself? It is equally vacuous either way.

    Can you tell me what year this flood happened? According to most genealogical interpretations of your scripture it is within the last 10,000 years.

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    The fossil record is limited to what we have found so far. Keep digging, you'll find your proof.


    No, you will find evidence, not proof.

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    And what if the carbon dating method is flawed. From what I understand about it, carbon is released from things at a reliable rate, thereby enabling scientists to “date” something by measuring the amount of carbon that has been released. But what if, say 5000 years ago something happened to make carbon release a a much higher rate? Could a bone that is dated 50 million years old really be only 6000 years old? Seriously, Stu, COULD it be possible?


    You don’t use carbon dating to measure 50 million years, the half life of C-14 is only 5730 years, and the technique is pretty much useless beyond 60,000 years for that reason. Why don’t you learn something about it rather than wasting time praying for me? It is a very interesting subject.

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    What? No answer to my question? Listen brother, I am not a smart man. I have very limited knowledge about most things. I could have googled the particle layer thingy and other stuff, but I don't care that much about knowing the details of all of this.


    So you only care enough to smear science. Isn’t there a commandment against doing that kind of thing? Doesn’t false witness land you in the lake of fire?

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    I do know with my small brain, that you or science or evolution cannot explain WHY a fish would just out of the blue evolve into a tree or land animal, let alone how this process could happen.
    Fish did not evolve into trees. Some fish evolved into land animals. I can tell you why this happened in the sense of explaining the environmental and genetic factors. Is that what you mean?

    I mean, did it start off breathing water for 99% of the day and air for the other percent? And then slowly over a billion years reduce that to air 99% of the day and water the other percent? What did it feed on in the process?


    Did what start breathing water? Fish don’t breathe water, they extract dissolved oxygen using their gills. Marine mammals live in the sea but do not extract oxygen from seawater, they breathe air. There are fish alive today that have lungs. They are called lungfish! There are also amphibians that can survive in both aquatic and land environments. What species are you asking about?

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    These are SIMPLE inquiries from a SIMPLE brain which should be able to be answered (at least in part) with a SIMPLE answer that doesn't include a million details.


    Sorry if you have difficulty with details. Anything really worth knowing about is challenging. Come back when you have done the basic learning. A lot of this is primary school stuff.

    Stuart

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    Why don't you give me the crash course on how they can “know” so much stuff from a 50 million year old bone.


    If you really wanted to know you could look it up on the internet pretty easily. So why don’t you do that and get back to us when you know something about it.

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    Archeologists make new discoveries all the time. They recently found a dish with the family name Goliath on it right in the area where Saul and the Philistines did battle. Doesn't prove much, but now we know that the name Goliath was a real name in that time period.


    Wow, Goliath a real name, eh?

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    Geologists talk about a layer (I forget the name of it) that below are dino bones and above there are none. They think because it has “space dust particles” or whatever that it might be what settled after an astroid hit the earth and wiped out all the dinos. What if the water that God flooded the earth with was “space dust” water? Can you prove it wasn't?


    As I had just been explaining to you, there is no such thing are proof in science, so of course not.

    The iridium layer, to which you refer, is not geologically a layer of flooding. Did you read this fantasy on a creationist website or just make it up yourself? It is equally vacuous either way.

    Can you tell me what year this flood happened? According to most genealogical interpretations of your scripture it is within the last 10,000 years.

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    The fossil record is limited to what we have found so far. Keep digging, you'll find your proof.


    No, you will find evidence, not proof.

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    And what if the carbon dating method is flawed. From what I understand about it, carbon is released from things at a reliable rate, thereby enabling scientists to “date” something by measuring the amount of carbon that has been released. But what if, say 5000 years ago something happened to make carbon release a a much higher rate? Could a bone that is dated 50 million years old really be only 6000 years old? Seriously, Stu, COULD it be possible?


    You don’t use carbon dating to measure 50 million years, the half life of C-14 is only 5730 years, and the technique is pretty much useless beyond 60,000 years for that reason. Why don’t you learn something about it rather than wasting time praying for me? It is a very interesting subject.

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    What? No answer to my question? Listen brother, I am not a smart man. I have very limited knowledge about most things. I could have googled the particle layer thingy and other stuff, but I don't care that much about knowing the details of all of this.


    So you only care enough to smear science. Isn’t there a commandment against doing that kind of thing? Doesn’t false witness land you in the lake of fire?

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    I do know with my small brain, that you or science or evolution cannot explain WHY a fish would just out of the blue evolve into a tree or land animal, let alone how this process could happen.


    Fish did not evolve into trees. Some fish evolved into land animals. I can tell you why this happened in the sense of explaining the environmental and genetic factors. Is that what you mean?

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    I mean, did it start off breathing water for 99% of the day and air for the other percent? And then slowly over a billion years reduce that to air 99% of the day and water the other percent? What did it feed on in the process?


    Did what start breathing water? Fish don’t breathe water, they extract dissolved oxygen using their gills. Marine mammals live in the sea but do not extract oxygen from seawater, they breathe air. There are fish alive today that have lungs. They are called lungfish! There are also amphibians that can survive in both aquatic and land environments. What species are you asking about?

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    These are SIMPLE inquiries from a SIMPLE brain which should be able to be answered (at least in part) with a SIMPLE answer that doesn't include a million details.


    Sorry if you have difficulty with details. Anything really worth knowing about is challenging. Come back when you have done the basic learning. This is primary school stuff.

    Stuart

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