Contradictions:

[KangarooJack]

Mike said:

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If Jesus was “under God” (YOUR words), then he couldn't possibly BE God.  Therefore Jesus was NOT “God on earth”, correct?

He did not assert His divinity or function as God on earth. He became a REAL servant.

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Jack, in order for Jesus to be “in the form OF God”, he couldn't possibly BE the God he was “in the form OF”.

And your proof is? Hebrews says that He is the radiance of God's glory. The sun exists in the form of a sphere. The rays that emanate from it have linear form. Together the spherical form and the linear form constitute one composite form.

Mike:

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Actually, it says that the Son will be subject to “HIM WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER HIM, SO THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL”.  It doesn't say “Father”, Jack.  It refers to Jesus being made subject to GOD.

You left out the part where it says that the Son delivers the kingdom to the Father. And yes God will become all in all at that time which means that Jesus is all in all until that time. What does this mean for you?

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Jack, Jesus is the SERVANT of his God.  He is always subject to his God and our God, as are we all.  The wording doesn't imply that Jesus isn't “subject” to his own God right now.  It implies that Jesus now holds the reigns of the Kingdom at the COMMAND of his God, and later he will hand those reigns back over to his God – after his own God places his enemies at his feet so that he can subdue them.

The words in bold are a blatant contradiction of what Paul said. He said that the Son will be subject to the Father implying that he was NOT subject to the Father whenn he wrote the epistle. If the Son reigns “at the command” of His God, then the Son is subject now and the stastement that He will be MAKES NO SENSE. The “delivering” over of the kingdom to the Father will be only a mock exercise.

Furthermore, the Son is the HEIR OF ALL THINGS. As fully investitured Son-Heir He may do whatever He wants with His possessions. He is not required to give the kingdom back because as Son-Heir the kingdom is legally and rightfully His own. The Father cannot take back the kingdom nor require Jesus to give it back unless He turns evil. We know this will not happen because after He offered His perfect obedience it says that He is “the SAME yesterday, today and forever.” Therefore, He will deliever back the kingdom of His own choice. There is no other option. Once an heir received his inheritance it was his to do with whatever he wants unless he squandered it. Only then could the father demand the inheritance back.

The kingdom is Christ's to give up and NOT the Father's to take back. You imply that Jesus is a mere steward like Moses. But Jesus is NOT a mere steward. He is SON-HEIR and therefore the legal and rightful owner (Hebrews 3:1-6).

Mike:

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Actually, it says that the Son will be subject to “HIM WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER HIM, SO THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL”.  It doesn't say “Father”, Jack.  It refers to Jesus being made subject to GOD.  Once that is done, the Son will hand the sword back to his Father, to whom it belongs.

Anathema! Jesus is the RIGHTFUL HEIR. Once the heir became fully investitured the inheritance became His own property.

Jude 4 says that Jesus is our ONLY owner and Lord (NWT).

The Father did not purchase the kingdom with His own blood. Jesus PURCHASED the kingdom!

I said:

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First, Pharoah was still over Joseph.

Mike replied:

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Now you're getting it, Jack.  Just as Pharaoh was still over Joseph, God is still over His Holy Servant Jesus – despite exalting and giving His Servant much power.

Liar! I said that the relationship between Pharoah and Joseph was INCOMPARABLE to the relationship of hte Father and the Son. Why do you edit me? I'll tell you why. You edit me because you have no reply!

You have lost the argument Mike. You had to edit out an entire paragraph!

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The Father's becoming “all in all” is contingent upon the Son's actions.

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The Greek words imply that the Son will BE MADE SUBJECT to his God.  They don't imply that Jesus has any choice in the matter.

You know nothing of the Greek so quit with the pretense. The context indicates that the Son will deliver the kingdom to the Father. The verb is in the active voice. The Son will become subject as the result of His own action. The scriptures unanimously teach that the Son is the Heir and that the heir is the owner.

Christ is the heir. Ergo…. Your own NWT says that Jesus Christ is our “ONLY OWNER.”

So He does have a choice unless He turns evil which He will not. If He would turn evil, then the Father may require the kingdom back from Him.  But that canot happen because He is “the SAME yesterday, today and forever.”

You need to remember that we are talking about a father and son relationship after the manner of the Hebrew culture. A righteous Hebrew father could not and would not take back the inheritance from His own son.

A HEBREW FATHER WAS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD MIKE!

Mike:

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It is WE who believe Jesus is the SON OF God, Jack.  It is YOU who illogically believes he is the same God he is the Son OF.

You're in denial Mike. You deny that Jesus is the “only” Son of God. The Hebrews believed that it was blasphemous to claim to be the “only” Son of God because it profaned the name of YHWH (John 19:7 with Leviticus 24:16).

If the ONLY Son of God was less than God, then how could Jesus have been
accused of profaning the name of YHWH by claiming to be the ONLY Son of God?

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What is your proof that the angels did not worship Jesus before He was made lower than them? Hebrews 2 says that He was “made” lower than the angels. The implication is clear! He was NOT lower than the angels before He became a human. Duh!

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“NOT lower” doesn't equal “HIGHER” either, Jack.  But my proof is Heb 1:6, When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”?

I was hoping you would say this! Now tie this in with your claim that Jesus was the Firstborn Son from His creation. If Jesus was Firstborn Son from His creation as you believe, then the angels would have worshiped Him all along because it is as “Firstborn Son He “so much better than the angels” and therefore to be worshiped by them.

If the angels did not worship Him all along, then there was a time when He was LESS THAN the Firstborn Son.

It is clear that you now have to rethink your view regarding the time Jesus became the Firstborn Son. There are only two ways you can get away with saying that the angels did not always worship Him. You can adopt the view which is similar to mine which says that He was the preexistent Word and that He became Son when He became flesh. Or you can adopt the view of Paladin and Gene who deny that He was preexistent.

But you can't have it both ways Mikey! You can't say that Jesus was ALWAYS the Firstborn Son and then deny that the angels always worshiped Him. They worship Him BECAUSE He is the Firstborn Son.

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Jack, how can God Almighty be made subject to God Almighty, so that God Almighty may be all in all?

Jesus was the son of man. All men are collectively and individually the son of man. He became subject to the son of man in order to save them. Therefore, the son of man became subject to the son of man that the son of man might bee saved..

Plural unity is not hard to understand Mike.

Repeat: A HEBREW FATHER WAS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD Mike!

KJ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38)

Quote (mikeboll @ 64) When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”? I was hoping you would say this! Now tie this in with your claim that Jesus was the Firstborn Son from His creation. If Jesus was Firstborn Son from His creation as you believe, then the angels would have worshiped Him all along because it is as “Firstborn Son He “so much better than the angels” and therefore to be worshiped by them.

Really Jack?    The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.    But now the Son has been made perfect through suffering.  NOW he is a Lamb that is worthy to take the scroll from the hand of his God.  And when he returns, THEN he will be worthy of the obeisance of all living creatures.  

Also, you forgot to answer:  WHOSE angels will bow to Jesus?

As for the rest of your blather, I only want to know if this statement is true or not:

I, Jack-a-Roo, do solemly declare that it is my understanding that God Almighty now rules over everything, but at some point in the future, God Almighty will subject himself to God Almighty, allowing God Almighty to be all in all. Oh, and we only have ONE God Almighty during all this.

Do I have it right, Sonny Roo?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38)

You're in denial Mike. You deny that Jesus is the “only” Son of God.

You're so much in denial that you can't even bring yourself to write the word “begotten”!

Jack, I DO believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Why don't you?

Jack, is Jesus the Son OF God, or God Himself? What did Jesus himself teach us?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”? I was hoping you would say this! Now tie this in with your claim that Jesus was the Firstborn Son from His creation. If Jesus was Firstborn Son from His creation as you believe, then the angels would have worshiped Him all along because it is as “Firstborn Son He “so much better than the angels” and therefore to be worshiped by them. Really Jack?    The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.    But now the Son has been made perfect through suffering.  NOW he is a Lamb that is worthy to take the scroll from the hand of his God.  And when he returns, THEN he will be worthy of the obeisance of all living creatures.   Also, you forgot to answer:  WHOSE angels will bow to Jesus? As for the rest of your blather, I only want to know if this statement is true or not: I, Jack-a-Roo, do solemly declare that it is my understanding that God Almighty now rules over everything, but at some point in the future, God Almighty will subject himself to God Almighty, allowing God Almighty to be all in all.  Oh, and we only have ONE God Almighty during all this. Do I have it right, Sonny Roo?

Mike,

We're done Buddy! You cited only the first sentence of my statement and totally ignored the substance of it. I pointed out that the illustration of Pharoah and Joseph was not apples to apples but apples to oranges. Not only were you too proud to concede the obvious but you did a big cut n paste job on my statement. The relationship of Pharoah and Joseph was NOT a father and son relationship. Joseph was NOT a son-heir. Jesus was Son-Heir and as such He is the OWNER of all things.

Jesus owns YOU and He will continue to own you until He humbly and freely delivers His kingdom to His Father.

His Father cannot require Him to deliver it back unless He turns evil. Therefore, the ONLY OPTION is that He deliver the kingdom to His Father FREELY AND ON HIS OWN.

A Hebrew father could not and would not take back his son's inheritance without just cause. How many times do you need to be told that the Father and the Son are presented to us in the scripture after the pattern of the Hebrew model? Huh? How many times?

A HEBREW FATHER IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD MIKE!

We're done Mike! You refused to concede the obvious and you misrepsented me big time. I leave you to your darkness and your errors.

You LOST the argument Mike! I claim the victory!

Jack

[terraricca]

JK

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You LOST the argument Mike! I claim the victory! Jack

how do you feel locked up in your dark room

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,19:53)

Mike, We're done Buddy! You cited only the first sentence of my statement and totally ignored the substance of it. I pointed out that the illustration of Pharoah and Joseph was not apples to apples but apples to oranges.

Sonny Roo,

You must PRETEND that there is some big difference between the signet ring Pharaoh gave Joseph, and the one God gave Jesus. I don't follow that thought, because I know it stems ONLY from you wanting to make your point – and not from any substantiated reason.

So I chose NOT to say “Yes it is! Yes it is!” while you say “No it isn't! No it isn't!”

But in your denial post, you made one true statement – that Pharaoh was STILL over Joseph even though he granted Joseph all reign in Egypt. And because YOU said it, and I agree with it, I chose to further that point – and that point only.

So understand this Jackie Boy: YOU are the one who spoke truth for once. Pharaoh WAS still over Joseph even AFTER Pharaoh granted Joseph “all authority”.

Just like God is STILL over Jesus even AFTER God granted Jesus “all authority”.

Apples to apples, Jack.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

And we sure can't go wrong with God over us, ain't that right!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Edwardo,

No sir, we can't. If God is for us, who then can be against us? (Plus, our God cares enough about us to appoint the best shepherd ever to tend His flock!)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2011,04:26)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,10:43) Mike has also been informed many times that the Father and the Son were revealed to Israel as a father and a son according to Hebrew custom. In the Hebrew custom the firstborn son was under the father until the APPOINTED time of the father. After the son became fully investitured he took over the inheritance as the father's equal. And Jack has been informed many times that if Jesus was “EQUAL TO” God, then he couldn't possibly BE God.  One cannot possibly be “equal to” themselves.  Nor does one “subject himself” to his equal.

Hi Mike,

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Nor does one “subject himself” to his equal.

I disagree with this assumption of yours, Mike.
One does indeed subject theirself to both another
that is equal or lower than oneself as an act of Love.

Remember when you had it in your power to re-delete
my posts (that casted doubt on your assumptions)
instead deciding to let them remain (out of Love)?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 13 2011,05:53)

1. Jesus preexisted in the form of God and was equal with God. KJ

Hi Jack,

False: Jesus did not consider it robbery to be equal with God. (Philippians 2:6)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,02:38)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,12:53) What is your proof that the angels did not worship Jesus before He was made lower than them? Hebrews 2 says that He was “made” lower than the angels. The implication is clear! He was NOT lower than the angels before He became a human. Duh! “NOT lower” doesn't equal “HIGHER” either, Jack.  But my proof is Heb 1:6, When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”?

Hi Mike, who's Angels are these?

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall
gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”? I was hoping you would say this! Now tie this in with your claim that Jesus was the Firstborn Son from His creation. If Jesus was Firstborn Son from His creation as you believe, then the angels would have worshiped Him all along because it is as “Firstborn Son He “so much better than the angels” and therefore to be worshiped by them. Really Jack?    The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.

Hi Mike,

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes.

Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:05)

Quote Nor does one “subject himself” to his equal. I disagree with this assumption of yours, Mike.

Don't confuse “minister to” with “subject yourself to”. Ed, I did not become your subject, as if you are my King now, right? I might have let you win, but that is not the same thing as we're discussing here, is it?

You may be right though. I haven't really thought about it all the way through. Could you show a scripture where someone in power became the subject and was ruled over by someone lessor or equal to him?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:41)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48) The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.     Hi Mike, Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes. Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish.

And how do you know Ed?  How really do you know that it's “And again when he brings” instead of “When he again brings”?

Please grant me the favor of your all-knowing wisdom on this verse, O unzealous one.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:24)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,02:38) Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”? Hi Mike, who's Angels are these? The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41)

Also God's angels, Ed.  All things in heaven and earth belong to God.  The scripture you listed refers to angels that are ministering spirits commanded by their God to serve Jesus.  Just as they're commanded by their God to serve us human beings.

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Ed, whose angels are these?  Do they BELONG TO the children Jesus is speaking of?  Or are they sent by their God and Owner to minister TO these children?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:41)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:05) Quote Nor does one “subject himself” to his equal. I disagree with this assumption of yours, Mike. Don't confuse “minister to” with “subject yourself to”.  Ed, I did not become your subject, as if you are my King now, right?  I might have let you win, but that is not the same thing as we're discussing here, is it? You may be right though.  I haven't really thought about it all the way through.  Could you show a scripture where someone in power became the subject and was ruled over by someone lessor or equal to him?

Hi Mike,

The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. (Jer.31:22)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:47)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48) The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.     Hi Mike, Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes. Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish. And how do you know Ed?  How really do you know that it's “And again when he brings” instead of “When he again brings”? Please grant me the favor of your all-knowing wisdom on this verse, O unzealous one.

Context Mike,

Hebrews 1:5-6 And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Do you really think God is also saying (according to Mike) he will again be a Father to Jesus; instead of Paul connecting different points together?

Sounds to me instead like the Apostle Paul is making the point over and over again that Jesus is, very, very, special in God's Kingdom. (Hebrews 1:1:9)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,02:38) Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”? Hi Mike, who's Angels are these? The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41) Also God's angels, Ed.  All things in heaven and earth belong to God.  The scripture you listed refers to angels that are ministering spirits commanded by their God to serve Jesus.  Just as they're commanded by their God to serve us human beings. (2)Matthew 18:10 “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. (3)Ed, whose angels are these?  Do they BELONG TO the children Jesus is speaking of?  Or are they sent by their God and Owner to minister TO these children?

Hi Mike,

1) OK, I can go along with that.

2) Matt 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you,
That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

3) Sounds like the Fathers angels are watching over these little ones.

Yes, I believe all the Angels do belong to “God the Father”. (Col.1:16)
“all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH)” ~ Col 1:16
It's nice to see we CAN reach an agreement!!!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2011,23:29)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:47) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48) The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.     Hi Mike, Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes. Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish. And how do you know Ed?  How really do you know that it's “And again when he brings” instead of “When he again brings”? Please grant me the favor of your all-knowing wisdom on this verse, O unzealous one. Context Mike, Hebrews 1:5-6 And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Do you really think God is also saying (according to Mike) he will again be a Father to Jesus; instead of Paul connecting different points together? Sounds to me instead like the Apostle Paul is making the point over and over again that Jesus is, very, very, special in God's Kingdom. (Hebrews 1:1:9) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Deut ;32;43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.LXX

WHO IS THE ;him ??

Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father’” ?

Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son” ?

Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

WHO IS THE ;him ??

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,17:44)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2011,23:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:47) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48) The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.     Hi Mike, Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes. Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish. And how do you know Ed?  How really do you know that it's “And again when he brings” instead of “When he again brings”? Please grant me the favor of your all-knowing wisdom on this verse, O unzealous one. Context Mike, Hebrews 1:5-6 And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Do you really think God is also saying (according to Mike) he will again be a Father to Jesus; instead of Paul connecting different points together? Sounds to me instead like the Apostle Paul is making the point over and over again that Jesus is, very, very, special in God's Kingdom. (Hebrews 1:1:9) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Deut ;32;43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.LXX WHO IS THE ;him ?? Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father’” ? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son” ? Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” WHO IS THE ;him ?? Pierre

PIERRE,

Do you believe that Jesus was begotten of God more than once?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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