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Mike said: “You said ‘X’ in another thread, and you need to take it back and apologize before I address your posts that actually have to do with what we’re supposed to be discussing here”. *
I never demanded an apology from Mike, I just wanted him to prove his accusations with facts, not opinions and if he could not, then he needed to acknowledge that before I would continue the conversation of the topic. Mike, in the quote above makes it sound like I demanded an apology, doesn’t it. I never did. I accepted an apology which he later retracted and admitted that he was lying when he gave the apology but I never demanded one although I thought it would be the right thing to do.
Mike, do you want to show us where I “demanded an apology” as you claim? If you can’t show us then perhaps you want to acknowledge that for all to see. Asking you to “acknowledge” things is not the same as asking you to apologize for them.
LU: Would you say that the blanks could have also said that Jesus was a Co-Yahweh with God or something similar to that?
Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”? Sure, “Yahweh our Righteousness”, right? But the city of Jerusalem is called by the same title – which by the way, is properly translated as “Yahweh IS our Righteousness”. And surely you don’t think of the city of Jerusalem as a “Co-Yahweh” do you? Why not? If you use that title to claim such for Jesus, why wouldn’t you use the same exact title to claim the same exact thing for the city of Jerusalem?
And Jesus is also called “my servant David” by his and our God, Yahweh, right? So is Jesus then a “Co-David”?
Your doctrine is nonsensical and unscriptural, Kathi. If only there were a thread dedicated to it where we could scrutinize it and you could scripturally defend it. Hmm…
Gene,
You said: Paul was saying that to the brethren in Eph 6v23. In your last post, Paul representing both God the Father “and” Jesus , but not as the same person. As your trying to do. I do believe you know what the word (and) means right, it means two different persons, like Joe and Mike . The are not the same .
That comment is worrisome, your comprehension is so lacking if you think that I believe the Father and Jesus are the same person. Why don’t you show me where you think that I say that. Btw, even the trinity mentions three persons, not one.
LU: Mike, do you want to show us where I “demanded an apology” as you claim? If you can’t show us then perhaps you want to acknowledge that for all to see. Asking you to “acknowledge” things is not the same as asking you to apologize for them.
Mike: *Note to Lightenup: The above “quotes” are not verbatim words that you said, but are my own paraphrases of how the events transpired. This should be evident from the fact that you never literally accused me of saying the letters “X”, “Y”, and “Z”, or wanted my apology for saying those letters. But just so I don’t have to see a bunch of posts from you demanding that I show you where you said those exact words and demanding more apologies, I thought it wise to spell this obvious fact out for you.
Now… I have made three subsequent posts that destroy your “Yahweh Unity” doctrine. Perhaps you could address them instead of playing the same games you played in the dedicated thread? But only if you’re CONFIDENT in your doctrine, and can scripturally defend it against scrutiny, okay?
Gene,
You asked:
Matt 23:9………”Call no man your Father, upon the earth; for “ONE” is you Father, which is in heaven.
Jesus said those words not me, but the question is, do you “truly”, believe him LU?
Yes, I believe that and I believe that He is my Father through Jesus who is the only begotten God. Do you believe that, Gene?
Mike said:
But just so I don’t have to see a bunch of posts from you demanding that I show you where you said those exact words and demanding more apologies, I thought it wise to spell this obvious fact out for you.
Like I said…where did I demand even one apology?
LU: Why don’t you show me where you think that I say that.
Kathi, perhaps instead of constantly challenging people to use their time to go from page to page on thread after thread trying to find some particular exact statement you made, you could just use a LOT LESS of your own time by saying something like, “Gene, I don’t believe Jesus and the Father are the same person.”
How’s that sound? 😉
Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?
Because two persons are called Yahweh and they are ONE.
LU: where did I demand even one apology?
Kathi, perhaps instead of constantly challenging people to use their time to go from page to page on thread after thread trying to find some particular exact statement you made, you could just use a LOT LESS of your own time by saying something like, “Mike, I didn’t actually demand that you apologize, but otherwise your summation is spot on.”
How’s that sound? 😉
LU: Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?
Because two persons are called Yahweh and they are ONE.
Don’t you mean two persons and one city? 😎
Actually, there are more than two persons who are called Yahweh in scripture. They are those who come as representatives of Yahweh, and are all throughout scripture.
Gene,
You said: There exists, no vine NOR HUMAN, that did not come from another (branch) exactly like it, and there exist no branch , that did not come from another vine exactly like it also, they “ALL”, come from one planting, of “ONE”, God. JESUS is a human being , a HUMAN, FROM HUMANITY, FROM “ONE”, GOD, as we “ALL” are.
You missed the message of the passage. Do you know of a vinedresser that did not come from another human? My point is, there is the vinedresser that is distinct from the one vine, and they are distinct from the many branches. In the parable, Jesus is making a distinction between the vine and the branches. The vine doesn’t cling to the branches, the branches cling to the vine and some bear fruit and if they don’t bear fruit the vinedresser cuts them off. You make the vine equal to the branches but the vine doesn’t cling to a vine in the story, does it??
Mike, I’m just asking for you to show us all one time that I demanded an apology, just one, no need to go from page to page unless of course you can’t find any, in that case you can acknowledge that. Shouldn’t be hard for you to acknowledge if indeed you can’t come up with even one.
LU: Gene, do you know who said this and to whom: “apart from Me you can do nothing”?
Kathi, do YOU know who said this and to whom: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself…” ?
I do.
But I can’t seem to find anywhere in scripture where God made such a statement, which, if you think about it, would be a very nonsensical statement for the Almighty Most High God to make, right?
LU: Mike, I’m just asking for you to show us all one time that I demanded an apology, just one, no need to go from page to page unless of course you can’t find any, in that case you can acknowledge that. Shouldn’t be hard for you to acknowledge if indeed you can’t come up with even one.
I acknowledge that I’m not willing to look through pages of threads to find your exact words when the intent was evident, and anyone here is able to read the entire progression and make up their own minds about whether my assessment was accurate or not.
I also acknowledge that if you believed my assessment to be inaccurate, you wouldn’t be focusing all your attention on one little phrase within the body of work that I presented.
Hi Mike
Simple question Berean: Is Jesus a messenger of God? Yes or no?
HE IS THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT
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MALACHI 3
[1] Behold, I will send
👉 my messenger (John the Baptist) and he will prepare the way before me: and the Lord (the Son of God) whom you seek, will suddenly come into this temple, even 👉 THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, (the Son of God as high priest, ) whom you love: behold, he is coming, know the LORD of hosts.LU: Actually, there are others who are called Yahweh.
Yes there are, the Father, the Son and the Spirit.
The Spirit? Wait a minute… are you trying to sneak a third “Yahweh the Spirit” person into your unity? 😳
I’m talking about the times that Yahweh’s messengers are addressed as “Yahweh”. Do you deny that this occurs in scripture? Or do you acknowledge it?
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