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Proclaimer: Pillars means foundations and a foundation is not always a stone pillar.
A person can be a pillar of his community. It just means ‘support’.
Isaiah 48:13… My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens…
Psalm 102:25… In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Psalm 104:5… He set the earth on its foundations, never to be moved.
Proverbs 8:27-29… I was there when He… marked out the foundations of the earth.
A little hard for the above “foundations of the earth” to be “pillars of the community” when mankind hadn’t even been created yet, don’t you think? So once we accept that these particular “foundations” refer to actual foundations of the earth, which understanding better aligns with the Bible – yours or mine?
Proclaimer: Seriously Mike. You have no credibility. Your reputation here is shot. Your teachings are primitive, ignorant, and an embarrassment to yourself and the faith you say you represent.
I’m the one arguing for the Biblical description of our world. You are the one holding the unproven fantasies of godless men in higher regard than the scriptures. Which of us is more likely to be an embarrassment to God and our Lord Jesus right now?
Proclaimer: After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth…
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth…
Now look at your model of the earth and tell me where the four corners are please.
Proverbs 8:27… I was there when He established the heavens, when He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep…
Jesus said he observed God inscribing a circle on the face of the deep. That implies that the shape of “the deep” may not already be a circle. Maybe it’s something like this 1893 Orlando Ferguson depiction…
Book of Enoch 18:1-6… I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation and the firm foundations of the earth. And I saw the corner-stone of the earth: I saw the four winds which bear [the earth and] the firmament of the heaven. And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths of the angels. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above.
Which model does Enoch’s description align with – yours or mine?
Proclaimer: Another conundrum for you to sort out Mike.
For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s and he had set the world upon them.
He hangs the earth upon nothing.
I guess your answer would be to say that it hangs on nothing because it is supported by stone pillars. Hilarious if that is the case.
Based on the scriptures, that would be the most sensible answer. Interesting that you would find the scriptural answer “hilarious” though. 🤔
Proclaimer: Now stop saying that only a flat earth is a circle as a circle is technically a two dimensional shape and neither the flat earth or globe is 2D as you have admitted.
Nobody in the history of the world has thought that the Biblical description of a flat earth meant a 2D circle – until you. You have set up an incredibly nonsensical strawman, and then proceeded to beat your chest and claim victory for knocking your own ridiculous strawman down. Way to go. Well done. Your mother would be proud. 😅
Proclaimer: Conclusion: Your no1 flat earth bible verse has failed miserably in proving your point because it equally and even more than that proves a globe.
Another successful debunk.
And just as you are the only human to have ever thought “flat earth” meant a 2D circle, you are also likely the only one willing to argue that the Bible isn’t a flat earth book. You have no support on HN for your failed arguments, and none in academia.
Conclusion: The vast majority of Biblical scholars and the world as a whole believe that we live on a spinning water ball, BUT… those same people also acknowledge the undeniable fact that the Bible is a flat earth book.
Genesis 7:11-12… In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
Genesis 8:2-3… The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, and the waters receded from the earth continually.
Very simple question that deserves a straightforward and honest answer…
Which description of the earth aligns with the above scriptures?
@Gene Balthrop
I watched those two videos from the YouTube channel you linked. The two men made very good scriptural arguments against the idea that Jesus is the Most High God – but no valid arguments against his preexistence.
The bad news is that it seems the injections are causing auto-immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). The good news is that if you got your shot and had no complications, you are very likely among the 80% of the world who got a harmless placebo.
Do you understand just how STUPID they think we are? “Oh, it’s perfectly normal for the flu to take a year off while we simultaneously racked up millions of Covid cases!” 🙄🙄🙄
Where are the articles or sources showing that these points were widely reported?
I don’t remember seeing stories that suggested most of these points.
I guess there might have been a few somewhere, but then again, just about every opinion is reported somewhere.
How about one source per point Mike?
People die of heart attacks every day. Chances are someone will have had the vaccine the day before.
What matters are stats showing an increase in heart attacks. Or an unusual amount of attacks on a single group, in particular those that received a vaccine one to five days before.
Do you understand just how STUPID they think we are? “Oh, it’s perfectly normal for the flu to take a year off while we simultaneously racked up millions of Covid cases!” 🙄🙄🙄
The other explanation which by the way is indisputable science is that lock downs, masks, and people being more spaced apart than usual will mean much less influenza.
Mike, what if these cases were caused by Covid-19?
It would mean that your solution would be the problem.
I looked into some of these and it turned out they had Covid-19.
What makes you sure that these were caused by a vaccine rather than Covid?
For example, Sergio Aguero, the highest profile footballer, got Covid in January. And I couldn’t find a single story that said he was vaccinated.
Sergio Aguero’s cardiologist thinks a virus could be behind the heart problems which led to the Argentina striker’s early retirement from football. Aguero announced he was stepping away from the game in an emotional press conference, where he said he’s “proud” of the career he had. The 33-year-old won a host of trophies, including five Premier League titles with Manchester City.
Think for a sec Mike. There is a world wide pandemic that has killed people and left some with long term symptoms. Shouldn’t the first explanation to look at be the virus?
A little hard for the above “foundations of the earth” to be “pillars of the community”
Once again, you lack understanding.
A pillar of society is a support or foundation. Thus, the foundation of the earth doesn’t mean a couple of stone pillars atop a tortoise.
Genesis 7:11-12… In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
Genesis 8:2-3… The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, and the waters receded from the earth continually.
Very simple question that deserves a straightforward and honest answer…
Which description of the earth aligns with the above scriptures?
Genesis 1:7 tells us that God created an “expanse” of atmosphere between the waters below and the waters above. This could have been some kind of canopy around the earth which was broken to allow the waters above to joining the water below and cover two-thirds of earth in ocean.
We live on earth, but a better name would be ocean. Maybe it was earth at one point. Lots of possibilities here including poetic language. It is in no way saying the earth is flat. There is zero reference to a flat earth here.
Brilliant. It has everything. Even the square.
And if there is a verse that talks about a triangle, we can simply add it in.
Congratulations. The science is sound.
Bwahahahaha!
Nobody in the history of the world has thought that the Biblical description of a flat earth meant a 2D circle – until you.
Thank you. We are making progress.
So your no1 verse for Flat Earth supports the globe because a globe is a 3D circle. Your own statement above debunks your earlier argument that it cannot be a globe because it says ‘circle’.
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Another debunk complete.
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