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Gene: Mike… still think the world is flat… But he is pretty good on some bible topics though.
Proclaimer: I agree. It surprised me to learn he was a flat earther after hearing what he had to say on other topics.
It shouldn’t have surprised you. You had already known me as a seeker of truth for over a decade before I shared my knowledge about the shape of the earth here. How do I argue so successfully against the Trinity Doctrine? Because I have truth on my side. How do I argue so successfully about Jesus’ preexistence? Because I have truth on my side. How do I argue so successfully about the many gods in the scriptures and in ancient Hebrew culture? Because I have truth on my side.
My understanding of all three of these topics are very unpopular with certain people, and each topic has no shortage of “experts” standing at the ready to tell heretics like me how I’m wrong.
But I’m not wrong about the Trinity. I’m not wrong about Jesus preexisting his time on earth. And I’m not wrong that the Bible is loaded with all kinds of gods, and one Most High God who is the God of all the other ones.
And you guys should know from that track record that I’m not wrong about the shape of the earth either. In fact, my knowledge of our earth is based, not only on personal observation and real science, but on the very scriptures you guys claim to accept. So you shouldn’t be surprised that I know the earth is flat and stationary any more than you would be surprised that I know Jesus is one of the many sons of God, and not God Himself. After all, like I said, you already know me as a seeker and speaker of truth.
So on the contrary, it was me who was surprised that the very Biblical description of our world – given to us by the One who created it and those whom He spoke through – would be ridiculed and scoffed at on a site with so many truth seekers. I still can’t understand how so many of us here were able to break the indoctrination of the Trinity Doctrine, but very few are able to break the indoctrination of a spinning water ball with a pressurized atmosphere flying through a vacuum at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour – only for us to be able to observe the very same stars in the EXACT same place in the sky, year after year for millenia after millenia.
Proclaimer: Debating nut jobs run the risk of legitimizing them and denting the scientists reputation…
True, but Eric Dubay was still willing to debate that nut job Tyson anyway. Likewise, Dig4Truth and I were willing to debate you for a while. But after a while it becomes an exercise in futility… a casting of pearls before swine.
Adam: Hi brother Gene, his beliefs are nothing new here they are mostly oriented towards JW/Arianism who believes Jesus’ preexistence as an Angelic being prior to his birth and Jesus as a god created in the beginning by God.
Don’t leave out God and His prophets, or Jesus and his disciples. My views are also “oriented towards” the things I learned from them in the scriptures. 😉
True, but Eric Dubay was still willing to debate that nut job Tyson anyway. Likewise, Dig4Truth and I were willing to debate you for a while. But after a while it becomes an exercise in futility… a casting of pearls before swine.
I debunked your points one at a time. You just didn’t want to acknowledge that. Now you can see how Trinitarians feel and defend their views.
It shouldn’t have surprised you. You had already known me as a seeker of truth for over a decade before I shared my knowledge about the shape of the earth here.
I guess the surprise came from how easily deceived you were. That comes from relying on your own understanding I suppose.
Proclaimer: Interesting. I didn’t know that. So I looked it up. The explanation given is Haiti’s youthful population and we know that the virus effects mostly elderly people.
Lol. So then it’s almost as if we could have kept the entire world open and operating at full capacity, while taking care to protect the most vulnerable among us? Like TRUTHFUL doctors and scientists were saying right from the start?
And now that we’ve learned this lesson from the youngsters in Haiti, we should do that now, right?
And that also means there is no need to force vaccinations on anyone – especially young people, right?
Yet that’s not what we did – or what we’re doing… especially in your neck of the woods. Poor Oz. So even in your attempt to be a cheerleader for the deep state MSM, you shoot yourself in the foot. Let’s see what cheer you can come up with for Japan now – the oldest nation on earth.
See if you can reconcile…
TOKYO (AP) — Almost overnight, Japan has become a stunning, and somewhat mysterious, coronavirus success story.
Daily new COVID-19 cases have plummeted from a mid-August peak of nearly 6,000 in Tokyo, with caseloads in the densely populated capital now routinely below 100, an 11-month low.
The bars are packed, the trains are crowded, and the mood is celebratory, despite a general bafflement over what, exactly, is behind the sharp drop.
Japan, unlike other places in Europe and Asia, has never had anything close to a lockdown, just a series of relatively toothless states of emergency.
Can you give us a valid and rational reason that governments would prohibit Ivermectin from people who want to use it?
- False hope, meaning it to also be a waste of money;
- It works, thus corrupt government wanting to funnel our taxes into their preferred suppliers / friends.
Note: I am not arguing for the government. Don’t make that mistake. I am carefully weighing up the evidence and balancing science vs unfruitful conspiracy theories.
Lol. So then it’s almost as if we could have kept the entire world open and operating at full capacity, while taking care to protect the most vulnerable among us? Like TRUTHFUL doctors and scientists were saying right from the start?
Yes, that was always an option. Let the elderly die and a larger than desired number of younger people too in order to keep the economy going.
Seriously, I am not sure the stance countries took was the right one. But it is the direction they took. Our country and Australia was even more strict because we have an elimination strategy. We could do that because of our isolation. While this worked, it only took Delta and a few people to break the rules. So it looks like Delta is going to win. But if we can get over 90% vaccinated, then we can learn to live with Delta and it will have a lesser effect on our population.
It shouldn’t have surprised you. You had already known me as a seeker of truth for over a decade before I shared my knowledge about the shape of the earth here. How do I argue so successfully against the Trinity Doctrine? Because I have truth on my side. How do I argue so successfully about Jesus’ preexistence? Because I have truth on my side. How do I argue so successfully about the many gods in the scriptures and in ancient Hebrew culture? Because I have truth on my side.
True. But your arguments for Flat Earth failed.
But according to Gene and Adam, both your and my arguments for Jesus’ preexistence have failed, right? Does that equate to Gene and Adam “debunking” us on the topic of preexistence?
Now, go apply what you’ve learned here to your own comments to me about the Biblical earth. 😉
Miia: Must watch (can’t embed).
Regards: Nasal swabs
It’s a good one. I watch Stew daily on Rumble. I don’t remember if I told you about “And We Know” before – but you should really check his stuff out too. Always uplifting and ends with a prayer every time.
Here’s his latest from yesterday…
Proclaimer: What is the no1 verse in the bible that teaches a flat earth? I’m waiting.
Isaiah 40:22… He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Sounds to me like the earth is a circle and the heavens are like a tent covering us. Kind of like this…
And remember that this graphic was produced by someone who wholeheartedly believes we live on a spinning ball orbiting the sun, but was only trying to show what the BIBLE teaches about our world.
Miia: People who believe in the flat earth choose to believe their Bible (God’s word), over man’s word. So that shows faith. I am neutral, I do not even think about if the world is flat or a globe, but I have good friends that believe it is flat. They just choose to believe their Bible.
Well said. I also believe that Adam was literally the first man to ever exist – and that his existence began when the earth was 6 days old. Those who believe in a spinning ball orbiting a giant fireball and in big bang, billions of years and common descent evolution apparently feel it is their right to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are true, and which are not.
I prefer not to tell God when He was lying about our world, and when He wasn’t.
The globe doesn’t debunk the Bible because the Bible doesn’t teach that the earth is flat. When I asked you for the no1 flat earth verse in scripture, you used the one that mentions the circle of the earth. I guess I needed to explain to you that this verse fits the globe.
So you trust their view of the universe when they didn’t even see the messiah when he came? Funnily enough, it is not that far off. Just join up each end of that diagram and you almost have it.
Miia: Noah was a “conspiracy theorist”, until it rained.
Proclaimer: A conspiracy theorist is not a person who believes in a conspiracy. It’s a person who believes in many of them. They subscribe to many outlandish theories.
You mean outlandish theories like the one about a magic sky daddy who is able to simply speak things into existence, make an entire species of women from a rib, and grant us wishes if we praise him enough?
Face it Proclaimer… to the “scientists” and “enlightened” people of the world, you already hold to the most outlandish theory there ever was.
Funny how you stand and fight against Bible believers on behalf of those very “scientists” who think you’re an idiot for believing in your sky daddy. I’m willing to bet you’ll do it with Noah’s flood too. Let’s see…
SCIENCE falsely so-called says there isn’t a shred of evidence for a worldwide flood, and that the very thought that a boat with the ark’s measurements could even float – let alone carry two of every kind of animal in existence – is preposterous. But the Bible says these things did happen.
Where do you fall on the subject? Cheerleading for the Bible? Or for the “scientists” who think you’re an idiot?
You mean outlandish theories like the one about a magic sky daddy who is able to simply speak things into existence, make an entire species of women from a rib, and grant us wishes if we praise him enough?
It’s not outlandish. God is logical. Read this:
I prefer not to tell God when He was lying about our world, and when He wasn’t.
So you are the truth and by extension it must be what God believes and reveals. Otherwise he would be a liar which of course he is not.
But what if you were suppose to be the student and any discrepancy might actually be coming from your own understanding? Just something for you to consider.
SCIENCE falsely so-called says there isn’t a shred of evidence for a worldwide flood, and that the very thought that a boat with the ark’s measurements could even float – let alone carry two of every kind of animal in existence – is preposterous. But the Bible says these things did happen.
Where do you fall on the subject? Cheerleading for the Bible? Or for the “scientists” who think you’re an idiot?
Some of the greatest scientists of all time including the two greatest geniuses believed in God. If science is true and God is true, then one can come to an understanding that it harmonious because the truth is harmonious. But some science and some scriptures are in conflict. Often what happens is better science comes along and shows the Bible to be true or you are holding to a wrong interpretation of the Bible. Knowledge comes to us in two ways. Observation and revelation.
But not all science is wrong Mike. People who take that stance are paranoid.
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