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many;maybes,probabilities,kind of,looks like it ,could be's,should be's,posibilities,if's, THOSE THEMS ARE NOT THE TRUTH OF GOD.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO MAY CERTAIN OUR HOPE AND FAITH
Pierre
Terraricca……………If you can't commit on what is spirit then please leave this discussion to those of us who are.
peace and love………………….gene
To all……I am after a general consensus of what Spirit (IS), what can we compare it to , to help us better understand it. I used the metaphor of a lake of Water which can be dipped into and poured out into vessels to show two things, like water it can be added to , and taken away, it can be increased or decreased . There is what you might call clean water and unclean water, same also with Spirit there is clean and unclean Spirits.
Jesus gave us a Metaphor of spirit being like the Wind He said it goes about where it lists and we can hear the sound of it but can not tell when it comes or where it goes. A better understanding about Spirit would help us all i believe here.
Peace and love to you all……………….gene
Sheppard of Hermas a popular reading of the earliest Church
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html
HOW TO RECOGNISE THE TWO SPIRITS ATTENDANT ON EACH MAN, AND HOW TO DISTINGUISH THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE ONE FROM THOSE OF THE OTHER.
CHAPTER II.
“Hear now,” said he, “in regard to faith. There are two angels with a man–one of righteousness, and the other of iniquity.” And I said to him, “How, sir, am I to know the powers of these, for both angels dwell with me?” “Hear,” said he, and “understand them. The angel of righteousness is gentle and modest, meek and peaceful. When, therefore, he ascends into your heart, forthwith he talks to you of righteousness, purity, chastity, contentment, and of every righteous deed and glorious virtue. When all these ascend into your heart, know that the angel of righteousness is with you. These are the deeds of the angel of righteousness. Trust him, then, and his works.Look now at the works of the angel of iniquity. First, he is wrathful, and bitter, and foolish, and his works are evil, and ruin the servants of God. When, then, he ascends into your heart, know him by his works.” And I said to him, “How, sir, I shall perceive him, I donor know.” “Hear and understand” said he. “When anger comes upon you, or harshness, know that he is in you; and you will know this to be the case also, when you are attacked by a longing after many transactions, and the richest delicacies, and drunken revels, and divers luxuries, and things improper, and by a hankering after women, and by overreaching, and pride, and blustering, and by whatever is like to these. When these ascend into your heart, know that the angel of iniquity is in you. Now that you know his works, depart from him, and in no respect trust him, because his deeds are evil, and unprofitable to the servants of God.
These, then, are the actions of both angels. Understand them, and trust the angel of righteousness; but depart from the angel of iniquity, because his instruction is bad in every deed. For though a man be most faithful, and the thought of this angel ascend into his heart, that man or woman must sin. On the other hand, be a man or woman ever so bad, yet, if the works of the angel of righteousness ascend into his or her heart, he or she must do something good. You see, therefore, that it is good to follow the angel of righteousness, but to bid farewell to the angel of iniquity.
“This commandment exhibits the deeds of faith, that you may trust the works of the angel of righteousness, and doing them you may live to God. But believe the works of the angel of iniquity are hard. If you refuse to do them, you will live to God.”
Karmarie……………I have heard of those before. But i really do not believe a Spirit is and angle , I do believe Angles or messengers have Spirits in them though, and are sent out to minister to us. Rather a man or a angelic being> What i am looking for is just a simple word to describe Spirit in a general sense. would like to here from Mike and JA and martian or Jodi and Chosenone also in fact i wish everyone would honestly engage this discussion. I believe it could be beneficial for all if the slanders would stay away for a change.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,07:20) To all……I am after a general consensus of what Spirit (IS), what can we compare it to , to help us better understand it. I used the metaphor of a lake of Water which can be dipped into and poured out into vessels to show two things, like water it can be added to , and taken away, it can be increased or decreased . There is what you might call clean water and unclean water, same also with Spirit there is clean and unclean Spirits. Jesus gave us a Metaphor of spirit being like the Wind He said it goes about where it lists and we can hear the sound of it but can not tell when it comes or where it goes. A better understanding about Spirit would help us all i believe here.
Peace and love to you all……………….gene
genethere is no general consensus ,with the SPIRIT,
it as to be understood in is context.Pierre
terraricca……….I disagree , i think we can all come to a general consensus on this, if we all pool our understandings about it together. Anyway i just want to try to. How would you define spirit in a (general) sense?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,10:48) terraricca……….I disagree , i think we can all come to a general consensus on this, if we all pool our understandings about it together. Anyway i just want to try to. How would you define spirit in a (general) sense? peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
geneyou like to disagree with all,who do not agree in your views;it does not matter if it is true or not;
Hos 4:12 of my people.
They consult a wooden idol
and are answered by a stick of wood.
A spirit of prostitution leads them astray;
they are unfaithful to their God.
Hos 5:4 “Their deeds do not permit them
to return to their God.
A spirit of prostitution is in their heart;
they do not acknowledge the LORD.who his men to know the thoughts of God??
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2010,14:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,13:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2010,09:44) Hi Gene, So spirit is intellect and satan doesn't exist;
is there anything else you want us to know?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J……….I started this thread to see what everyone thinks Spirit (IS), not to start some arguments with YOU. I expressed my opinion based on my knowledge of scripture. If you have nothing to offer like your friend Nick, maybe it would be best to just butt out right?peace and love…………………gene
Hi Gene,On another thread me and Kerwin were discussing what Jesus meant saying to deny themselves.
I believe it is the 'ego' that needs to go and Kerwin says the spirit.
The 'intellect' as you put it bears a closer resemblance to the 'ego',
the very thing that needs to be crucified; rather than the Spirit. (Rom.8:16)Based on your derogatory slanderously sounding comments, perhaps you have yet to crucify yours?
Spirit is God given, something that makes us all as individuals unique and pleasurable to God. (Rev.4:11)
So God would not want us to loose something as precious as our own Spirit. (John 17:3)
So our Spirit could be described as our resolve or our will as in our “Free Will”.
So I will freely conclude that the best description of Spirit is…“A Free Will” = “Spirit”
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Gene,You said you wanted to discuss this, why no comment?
ED J……….If you believe a “freewill = Spirit, fine with me> That is your contribution to this thread then , Believe what you will its ok with me.
Don't want to argue with you about nothing, either contribute to this Thread or as I said before just butt out, The whole point of this thread is to try to get a better understand of what Spirit is and help us to better relate with the Word Spirit in a (general) sense. Not to engage is some little worthless arguments. Say what you want to and let other also . But contribute not argue. IMOpeace and love……………………….gene
Hi Gene,
Let me explain why “A Free Will” equals “Spirit” Theomatically.
Our Spirit needs to be cleansed by God (Eph.4:23),
this cleansing sets our Spirit Free. (John 8:36)Our 'intellect' is 'not free' as it has many 'influences' on it.
Our “Resolve” or “will” is not based on the 'influences' of our 'intellect'.Let me give you an example of what I refer to: so 'your intellect' may understand the things of God.
If we: using our 'intellect' believe there are only two choices to make; which do we choose?Let's say 'you' have given a business proposal to a client and it is accepted by the client.
Then 'a better deal' comes along (for you only), what do you then choose to do?
Your 'intellect' might choose the better deal, but what sayeth the Scriptures?Psalm 15:1-5 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbor, nor taketh up a reproach
against his neighbor. In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoreth them that fear the LORD.
He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not (Zech.8:17). He that putteth not out his money to usury,
nor taketh reward against the innocent (who doesn't take the better deal, and in doing so stiff on his commitment).
He that doeth these things shall never be moved (and has much “Resolve” and “A Free Will” to choose right!).He who follows what the Scripture says: has much “Resolve”
and “A Free Will” (Spirit) to choose to do Good and eschew evil!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo all……….if we look at the defenitions given in the concordances it may help.
Greek …> pneuma..> Pnyoo'-mah ..> From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit that is, (human) the (rational soul) (by implication) vital principle, mental deposition, etc, or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit: – ghost, life, spirit(-ual, ually,) MIND,
Hebrew……ruach….>roo'-akh ; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; be extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expressions and functions);-air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind(-y)
Now can anyone get any sense out of all that? How can we simplify this to a simple generally understood meaning? Mind and wind are in both deffinitions in Hebrew and Greek, so Perhaps if we combine these we cn come up with something like this ,Wind (which is an invisable force) with Mind (our intellect) we would come up with The force that drives the mind , that to me is (INTELLECT) IMO.
Now that is just (MY) opinion but that might not be exactle right either, so would like more imput from you all.
Peace and love to you all……………………………gene
Hi All,
'Intellect' is akin to 'the ego mind', which is (of course)
the very thing that needs to be self crucified. (Matt.10:38-40)
Once crucified, our “Spirit“ is then cleansed (Rom:8:16), which results in
“A Free Will“ (1 Cor.9:17-19); FREE to WILLINGLY serve God! (Philemon 1:14)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J……. “FREE”, Will as being (IN) a person in nowhere found in scripture While ego is indeed and expression of your WILL it is by all means (NOT) Free at all it is driven by your own desires, Free Will is an OXYMORON a Will cannot be Free or it would not be a WILL, now would it , You are still confusing us having liberty to exercise our (influenced Wills) With those will being Free of any influence and if our will are influenced will then they are (NOT) Free of Influence are they so that is why Scripture never uses the words to Show a man Has a Free Will (IN) HIM. Perhaps you need to take that subject its proper thread . This subject is about Spirit in a general sense and I believe intellects still is the best all around Word to describe , but that is just my opinion and am looking for other views we have yours, thanks for you opinions.
peace and love…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,
Are you looking for “Bible Truth” or agreement with 'your influenced intellect'?
ED J…………….Is that all you can offer is Accusations, slanders, no one here wants to ague with you, You have every right to believe as you see fit fine with me and i am sure with everyone else to. You have given you opinion and that good enough, there are others who might want to commit on this subject, why not give them a chance. No one here want to read your insults > IMO
peace and love…………………………gene
To All…………I apologize to all of you for these people who only want to accuse and slander here , but i would sincerely like to here all sincere view here offered by all.
peace and love to you all……………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2010,14:12) Hi Gene, Are you looking for “Bible Truth” or agreement with 'your influenced intellect'?
Hi Gene,I fail to see any accusation here.
Is your 'intellect' free of any influence?
If it isn't, then how can it be a “Free Intellect”
See four Posts up, on what you said about a “Free Will”!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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