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One pure fact about Christianity is that it is hopelessly confused, I believe the reason for this is the highly ambiguous nature of the styles of writing within the Bible, in-fact it was that ambiguous that actually makes studying the bible satisfying and yet it is the very foundation of endless misunderstandings amongst Christians and other religous people outside Christianity seeking to understand Christianity.
If a Christian would visit a Muslim forum it would be quite easy for them to know for instance who God is according to the Quran, but on every Christian forum and in the public in general asking Christians who exactly God is, is always hopelessly confusing, there are only a handful of people on this forum who contribute the mass majority of all posts almost none and possibly none at all can agree. To make matters when people don’t know who God is they also then don’t know who Jesus is
Each one is confident in their own interpretation but the fact is, it is so open to interpretation I would have to consider that to be intentional as it has captured the hearts and minds of almost 2 billion people and has helped get rid of or absorb most forms of paganism and idol worship but to the extent it accomplished that wonderful thing it has also become(albeit in a better form) a hodgepodge of beliefs in and of itself.
For instance you cannot come up with a trinity in Islam because the Quran simply says don’t do it as well as tells you to not join partners with God.
The bible is ambiguous, so you can feasibly create a trinity as was done and have enough scriptures to at least have a working framework
The Bible is so ambiguous you can take the findings of Carmel and fit it in a framework that while bizarre there is enough there for a working framework
You want to believe in Aliens just go to the Bible and its colorful language.
The Bible is more like a wide net to pull anyone in that it can:
1 Corinthians 9:19-23King James Version (KJV)
19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
The Quran sets limits in its language which makes clear distinctions, such as you can never conceive in your mind by the words of the Quran that Muhammad is (any way or sort) a god, it simply can never enter the mind all traces of this sort of thing are sterilized
Many topics that Christians do not like and point to the Quaran are actually more in the Bible but most Christians have no idea what is actually in the Bible.
For instance stoning in the Quaran is never mention as a punishment but in the bible at least there 15 occasions of stoning as a punishment. There are several verses about being beheaded in the Bible as I said it is very ambiguous.
In the Bible there is a list of verses about what should be eaten and what shouldn’t be eaten the only problem is that the entirety of all the verses overide or undermine each other. Law/no law/some law….which one?
I know this is a bit of a rant but I just had to say it.
God Bless
Hi BD,
You judge the bible as ambiguous?
Natural men cannot grasp spiritual things.
Logic may give you a sense of conceitedness but you will always fall short.
One pure fact about Christianity is that it is hopelessly confused
Unfortunately I agree completely – and as a Christian, have struggled much with disillusionment..
How can Christian denominations hold so many conflicting doctrines that all stem from the same Book…?
I have come to believe that the Book must be interpreted by the Spirit that first inspired it – Christians have relied instead on their own intellect and reasoning…thus we have turned the pure truth into a religion of confusion and division.
Hi davidl,
easy.
First most have never joined the body of Christ.
Second those who have been born of the Spirit do not follow the Spirit but are like the washed pig that rolls in the mud.
the Body of Christ and the food of his teachings have never changed.
men have
Hi davidl,
If you just take on denominational religious stuff as your response to the message of Jesus you will be frustrated.
Jesus offers eternal life not formulas and ritual and drudgery.
Power not death.
Sorry Nick
But, you say all that just to influence DavidL from what he believes insisting that he is wrong but at the same time cannot get rid of the ambiguous nature within the scriptures themselves. If he believes what he believes how is it you believe differently when those scriptures are for all Christians and even for all people?
I know that I have been trying to pursue david or others to not believe a certain way but I acknowledge to remain a Christian there is no way within Christianity to declare one position over another.
Hi BD,
If you teach HU then clearly your professed faith in Islam is not deep.
Your faith is in yourself is it not?
Hi Nick:
Why are you so confident that there is no trinity other than the fact it is not a word in the bible, there are things you do believe in that are not directly clear in the bible so why is the trinity so upsetting to you? DavidL may say that Jesus is God but I would say you worship Jesus as God more than DavidL who seems to worship God as a unity which in his theology includes Jesus Christ. Within Christianity how is it even remotely possible to prove him wrong and you right?
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
You will find only confusion where truth is written.
It is natural.
1 Cor2
Okay, so is it your confusion or the confusion of others you disagree with? Listen, the reason I speak about DavidL is not really singling him out, it is more what he is representing. Fact: DavidL loves God and Jesus or any other way you can reconcile the difference and yet he is being treated as a pariah or even worse in a religion where the main tenant is to not judge.
So if he is solid in what he has gained, why on earth would he enter a Christian world of uncertainty where no one agrees anyway. He has some solace and comfort in whatever he has held onto and no doubt God has allowed him to be blessed and benefited by his intent of Love and devotion towards God as best he can understand God. No one can ultimately
KNOW God more than God allows but what if you are judged by what you did with what you are given.Hi BD,
Where has LOVING GOD been shown to save anyone?
Those who love God at least obey him.
They do not reject His son.
Hi BD,
Man’s opinion of what God wants has always stood in the door of salvation blocking access.
Seek first the kingdom.
Hi BD,
Every man thinks he is right.
Everyone thinks they can make their own path to God.
Some even are so arrogant that they attempt to JUDGE GOD and His Spirit.
Hi BD
“I know that I have been trying to pursue david or others to not believe a certain way but I acknowledge to remain a Christian there is no way within Christianity to declare one position over another.’
You want others to adopt your contempt for God and His ways?
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
Where has LOVING GOD been shown to save anyone?
Those who love God at least obey him.
They do not reject His son.
Nick that was one of the most ignorant statements according to the scriptures I have heard, have you no understanding?
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.Hi BD,
So with your heart and soul and mind.
You offer instructions from the Law to the Jews.
That does not include accepting His words are true for you?
Jesus brought God’s message to mankind but despite your professed love you do not accept it.
Hi BD,
1jn4.15
“Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God , God abides in him, and he in God”
But you say he is only CALLED the Son of the Highest.
Hi BD,
1Jn5.1
“Whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him”
But can you judge God and love Him??
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