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WJ,
Now that you have lost the debate – And all can see that plainly – you are merely attempting a disaster recovery.
Sad to say, you are so transparent with your deflection technique.
it's a wonder you donlt just hold your hands up and say 'yup, you got me/us', Jesus died as man for the remission of sin, offer of salvation to all, to fulfill the Scriptures and do fully and unselfishly execute the WORD of his Father, is raised in by God in the flesh and was then taken up to heaven in the Spirit where he was exalted by God to the highest position under God and us now our reigning King who God has given all His power and authority over for the purpose of completing God's original plan for mankind and the earth by destroying Satan, his followers, Sin and death.'
Ok, there, I said it for you.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
WJis this not a worldly attitude for the satisfaction of the flesh??
WJ,
Can I ask you a question and also ask you to answer honestly?
What did it feel like to have to make up the hybrid Christ in order to respond to my question?
Does it not tell you something about what you believe?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
Keith,JA is all talk and no substance. You have beaten him hands down!
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,19:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
WJis this not a worldly attitude for the satisfaction of the flesh??
TNot at all. It is simply standing up for the truth and the constant attacks on our person rather than actually engaging in mature dialogue!
Nothing wrong with a challenge. Jesus challenged the hypocrites many times.
WJ
WJ,
You know you wanted to say 'Jesus died as God' but you knew that you could not say that. Why?All throughout this forum you have been saying that you believe that Jesus IS GOD, but yet when I ask you as what did he die, you stutter to answer…
That is why I pursued the question. Why didn't you commit your belief and say 'As God…of course!'Why turn yourself into a lukewarm backsliding half-trini half-nontrini?
Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:32) WJ, Now that you have lost the debate – And all can see that plainly – you are merely attempting a disaster recovery.
Sad to say, you are so transparent with your deflection technique.
it's a wonder you donlt just hold your hands up and say 'yup, you got me/us', Jesus died as man for the remission of sin, offer of salvation to all, to fulfill the Scriptures and do fully and unselfishly execute the WORD of his Father, is raised in by God in the flesh and was then taken up to heaven in the Spirit where he was exalted by God to the highest position under God and us now our reigning King who God has given all His power and authority over for the purpose of completing God's original plan for mankind and the earth by destroying Satan, his followers, Sin and death.'
Ok, there, I said it for you.
JAThere has been no debate, but only you making accusations and lame comments without addressing the points.
Now once again you are acting like a bully in the school yard, the kind that when you stand up to them then they always back down or try to find a way out. Whats amazing is that you claim victory for a debat you have not even engaged in, except throwing little pebbles at me.
Will you debate me in the debates thread or not?
Are you going to answer the questions or not?
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:47) WJ,
You know you wanted to say 'Jesus died as God' but you knew that you could not say that. Why?
JAQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2010,15:48) Jesus died as both God and Man.
You are a either lying or you do not even read my post, which is proof that your motives are not pure but rather you are only here to condemn, accuse, and critisize.So are you gonna answer the questions or are you gonna go to the debates thread with me?
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:44) Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,19:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
WJis this not a worldly attitude for the satisfaction of the flesh??
TNot at all. It is simply standing up for the truth and the constant attacks on our person rather than actually engaging in mature dialogue!
Nothing wrong with a challenge. Jesus challenged the hypocrites many times.
WJ
WJthat is new to me ,were is that written,
i only know that he respond to a question by a question ,but only ones ,is that the challenge you talk about it ??
Jesus died as God?
Which part of God died?
Then you try to say he did not die but only went down to sheol?
I do know what your are cinfusing about… No you read that right: what you are confusing about.
You want to mix in the final death, death if the Spirit with death of the soul/flesh.
You mentioned this, and apologised to me in Trinitarian (part 2) around page 360 (or between pages 350 and 362 anyway)
You seem to think I am wayward. Not so, read all or any of my posts. They are perfectly consistent throughout because I have a clear understanding of the aspect of scripture that I discuss. I have learnt many things that have refined my views from you and TT, by vitue of your exercising my knowledge in your challenges.
Nothing that I have posted concerning scripture us made up to fill a need to cover embarrassment. When you speak the truth there is no place for a lie.
If I don't know or can't infer something I say so.
How do you say you are following God's Word, following Christ, have the Holy Spirit if you need to twist scripture or the understanding, or reading, of it to avoid something that you misinterpret or to follow an earthly creed or doctrine given to you by the very enemy of God.Who is it that helps you to twist scriptures, do you think. Yes, He is greater than me, that is why you can find some wiley way to answer but don't fool yourself, He is only entrapping you more.
If you feel the need to be deceptive in your answers then THINK, Who is it that is tempting you to not just say 'ok, I might be wrong about that!'
Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:36) Jesus died as God? Which part of God died?
Then you try to say he did not die but only went down to sheol?
I do know what your are cinfusing about… No you read that right: what you are confusing about.
You want to mix in the final death, death if the Spirit with death of the soul/flesh.
You mentioned this, and apologised to me in Trinitarian (part 2) around page 360 (or between pages 350 and 362 anyway)
You seem to think I am wayward. Not so, read all or any of my posts. They are perfectly consistent throughout because I have a clear understanding of the aspect of scripture that I discuss. I have learnt many things that have refined my views from you and TT, by vitue of your exercising my knowledge in your challenges.
Nothing that I have posted concerning scripture us made up to fill a need to cover embarrassment. When you speak the truth there is no place for a lie.
If I don't know or can't infer something I say so.
How do you say you are following God's Word, following Christ, have the Holy Spirit if you need to twist scripture or the understanding, or reading, of it to avoid something that you misinterpret or to follow an earthly creed or doctrine given to you by the very enemy of God.Who is it that helps you to twist scriptures, do you think. Yes, He is greater than me, that is why you can find some wiley way to answer but don't fool yourself, He is only entrapping you more.
If you feel the need to be deceptive in your answers then THINK, Who is it that is tempting you to not just say 'ok, I might be wrong about that!'
JAFigures you will not address my questions but just continue your patronizing!
Lame, weak and immature!
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,20:28) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:44) Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,19:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
WJis this not a worldly attitude for the satisfaction of the flesh??
TNot at all. It is simply standing up for the truth and the constant attacks on our person rather than actually engaging in mature dialogue!
Nothing wrong with a challenge. Jesus challenged the hypocrites many times.
WJ
WJthat is new to me ,were is that written,
i only know that he respond to a question by a question ,but only ones ,is that the challenge you talk about it ??
TWhich one of you can cast the first stone?
Which one of you can accuse me of sin?
God is not your Father, if he was you would love me, You are of your Father the devil!
Just a few!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,20:28) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:44) Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2010,19:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12) WJ, I have not gone away.
Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.
The arguments you are now bringing to the table…coward!
JAThat is funny!
Look back. I have been debating you before Jack even came in the picture! LOL.
Then you say my questions are distractions, though I give you scriptures and an opportunity to explain yourself. But I guess you can't!
I have more time now so lets go JA. Stop making excuses!
I put a challenge to you and you do not accept it then you call me a coward!
WJ
WJis this not a worldly attitude for the satisfaction of the flesh??
TNot at all. It is simply standing up for the truth and the constant attacks on our person rather than actually engaging in mature dialogue!
Nothing wrong with a challenge. Jesus challenged the hypocrites many times.
WJ
WJthat is new to me ,were is that written,
i only know that he respond to a question by a question ,but only ones ,is that the challenge you talk about it ??
TWhich one of you can cast the first stone?
Which one of you can accuse me of sin?
God is not your Father, if he was you would love me, You are of your Father the devil!
Just a few!
WJlooks nothing like yours type of chalenges does it??
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Boy playing with words again? So you are saying God can go into sheol like a departed soul? Do you just make this up as you go?
There is not a single aspect of your Hybrid Christ theory that doe not lead to contradiction.
First you claim that Jesus cannot be tempted with Evil because he is God. the contradiction occurs because that means Christ was not temped like all men. NOT!
Second you claim Jesus is God but cannot define what died on the cross without saying God died on the cross. You must define it with more mystery and slight of hand tricks.
You doctrine is full of deception and as long as you make yourself aligned with it you take on the role of a deceiver.I will be going to the hospital on monday till friday and then for the following six weeks monday through friday. I will not be as active as I have been. Don't want to deal with my old laptop to keep up.
Blessings to allQuote (martian @ April 02 2010,23:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Boy playing with words again? So you are saying God can go into sheol like a departed soul? Do you just make this up as you go?
There is not a single aspect of your Hybrid Christ theory that doe not lead to contradiction.
First you claim that Jesus cannot be tempted with Evil because he is God. the contradiction occurs because that means Christ was not temped like all men. NOT!
Second you claim Jesus is God but cannot define what died on the cross without saying God died on the cross. You must define it with more mystery and slight of hand tricks.
You doctrine is full of deception and as long as you make yourself aligned with it you take on the role of a deceiver.
MartianSince you know so much then you answer the questions.
You guys limit God to going anywhere he wants and becoming anything he wants!
Did Jesus go to hades or not?
Does God have a body?
Was Jesus a Spirit being who lived in a Body or flesh tent?
One more for you men of little faith!
Did Jesus conquer death?
Can't wait for your answers, because the answer to them all are “YES” and there are scriptures for each one.
Come on you guys, can't you do better than just make lame accusations?
WJ
Quote (martian @ April 02 2010,23:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) JustAskin,April wrote:WJ,
How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Quote (martian @ April 02 2010,23:52) Boy playing with words again? So you are saying God can go into sheol like a departed soul? Do you just make this up as you go? Martian
Heres one for you. Does God live in your body? If so and you die does his Spirit depart or not? So God is not limited to your finite thinking. He can go and be what ever and where ever he wants!
Why is it that your puny little mind (compared to the infinite God) cannot see that if he can live in our bodys that he could live in a body of his own?
Not a far stretch at all. In fact the scriptures say that the Word that was with God and was God, who was in very nature God (or the form of God, Spirit) came in the likeness of sinful flesh. John 1:1 – Phil 2:6-8
Yes God was in the flesh. Acts 20:28 1 – Tim 3:16
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,16:48) Quote (martian @ April 02 2010,23:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,12:15) Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,20:13) WJ, How can a God die?
JABecause death does not mean to cease to exist!
WJ
Boy playing with words again? So you are saying God can go into sheol like a departed soul? Do you just make this up as you go?
There is not a single aspect of your Hybrid Christ theory that doe not lead to contradiction.
First you claim that Jesus cannot be tempted with Evil because he is God. the contradiction occurs because that means Christ was not temped like all men. NOT!
Second you claim Jesus is God but cannot define what died on the cross without saying God died on the cross. You must define it with more mystery and slight of hand tricks.
You doctrine is full of deception and as long as you make yourself aligned with it you take on the role of a deceiver.
MartianSince you know so much then you answer the questions.
You guys limit God to going anywhere he wants and becoming anything he wants!
Did Jesus go to hades or not?
Does God have a body?
Was Jesus a Spirit being who lived in a Body or flesh tent?
One more for you men of little faith!
Did Jesus conquer death?
Can't wait for your answers, because the answer to them all are “YES” and there are scriptures for each one.
Come on you guys, can't you do better than just make lame accusations?
WJ
WJyou are your own accuser ,you have come to the knowledge of understanding the scriptures ,and the truth of it ,
I can tell from your quotes,what i do not know is what keep you from the truth.
it may be a personal struggle i don't know ,
God has time but you, your time is running short.
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