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Hi sultan,
Following the Master demands we abide in the Word despite the arrogant claims of men.2Tim 3
“1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works”
Hi,
So this is armchair salvation?
We can do nothing.
Enjoy the ride.to where?
Lukewarm folks get spat out.Hi Gm,
I believe what is written but not the doctrines of men.
The choice of God and the grace given.
The daily choices of men.Nick……..who here has armchair salvation? And says we can do Nothing (I Though Jesus was the one who said that)< Not anyone here, You again make actuations but no proof of it just you spiting out fear on people. The fear of the fearful and unbelieving, who will have there part in the lake of fire. All who have true faith are doing God's will and enjoying the ride also. Its your assumptions that is the problems here not others. Most here are seeking God in their lives I believe, and who made you the Judge over God's Heritage.
If you make accusations about people at least have the proof to back it up. Me and Chosenone have ask you for the proof of you accusations over and over but you fail to . why is that?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2008,06:46) Hi Gm,
I believe what is written but not the doctrines of men.
The choice of God and the grace given.
The daily choices of men.
Hi brother,
Then why are you debating on this topic?
All our earlier christians like Calvin and Armanian did share their view on God's predestination and Election. They agreed to disagree on certain beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to simply wipe out them from Christian history. It doesn't give us right to do that. There is no wrong in discussing views of our earlier Christians who are also our seniors. After all we do argue and debate on many issues which are not clear like black and white from the scriptures. I don't feel guilty when we discuss on such issues.
Please think over
AdamHi GM,
If you cannot check the path of those who claimed to be our leaders, according to what is written, then we foolishly are following other men, not Jesus.Hi brother Nick,
If you see the history how Christians struggled about understanding God and Jesus, many may differ commenting like that. Today we boast many things as if we know though we have not proved any thing black and white about certain concepts from scriptures because they are not clear to any one of us here. For example have you proved your preexistence so far? same thing is true about trinity. We are only arguing our views on all these complicated issues may be invented by somebody in the past.
It doesn't mean we are following human leaders. I have not seen so far anybody proved his beliefs black and white to claim that he is only right.
Please see things from others point of view same scripture is inferred in many ways. That's why there are many denominations in Christianity which I personally hate. No brotherly love among Christians we love only our borthers who are of our group and denomination.
Sorry to bother you by quoting all this.
Thanks
AdamAdam…..Amen brother , you have spoken from the Spirit of truth in what you said. You have refreshed my heart by showing me God Spirit working in you. Stay strong don't be jerked off course by People who think they are leaders of God's heritage when in fact know no more then anyone else does, no matter how pious they try to appear. Keep seeking and we will find the truth as God guides into it.
Love and peace to you and yours…………gene
Hi,
Fruit of John Calvin?
From Wikipedia.
The most lasting controversy of Calvin's life involves his role in the execution of Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician and theologian.Servetus first published his views in 1531 to a wide yet unreceptive audience. He denounced the Trinity, one of the cardinal doctrines that Catholics and Protestants agreed upon.[1] Calvin knew of these views in 1534, when he accepted Servetus' invitation to a small gathering in Paris to discuss their differences in person. For unknown reasons Servetus failed to appear.[21]
Around 1546, Servetus initiated a correspondence with Calvin that lasted until 1548, when the exchange grew so rancorous that Calvin ended it. Each man wrote under a pen name and each tried to win the other to his own theology. Servetus even offered to come to Geneva if invited and given a guarantee of safe passage. Calvin declined to offer either. In 1546 Calvin told Farel, “[Servetus] takes it upon him to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail.”[1]
Calvin's zeal was very much the rule among civil and church authorities in 16th century Europe, above all toward Servetus' effort to spread what they deemed heresy. As early as 1533 the Spanish Inquisition had sentenced Servetus to death in absentia.[22] Years later, in 1553, he was charged with heresy while living under an assumed name in Vienne, France. After Servetus escaped from the French prison in April 1553, the authorities there convicted and burned him in effigy.[23]
Servetus came to Geneva in August 1553 and attended a Sunday church service with Calvin in the pulpit. He was recognized and arrested on Calvin's initiative.[citation needed] While Calvin also wrote the heresy charges, Geneva's city council did far more to steer Servetus' trial, sentence, and burning at the stake.[24][21] Calvin asked the council for a more humane execution — beheading for civil disobedience rather than the stake for heresy — but his appeal was denied. The sentence was carried out on 27 October 1553. Servetus was burned along with every available copy of his final work, Christianismi Restitutio, only three known copies of which survived — two in Calvin's own possession.
Servetus was the only person “put to death for his religious opinions in Geneva during Calvin's lifetime, at a time when executions of this nature were a commonplace elsewhere,” but an angry debate over this incident has continued to the present day.[24] Historians have judged Calvin to be in the wrong on this issue, and later Calvinists have criticised his actions against Servetus.[25][26] Although many of Calvin's detractors portray him as a man who craved power, could not abide any dissent, and is unworthy of the respect that is commonly given to him,[27][28] his admirers see him as a man who sinned and failed to transcend the ethics of his time, but who is still deserving of honor because of his contributions elsewhere.[9][26]
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