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Pierre,
According to those scriptures the answer is yes. If that is so then you are near to the kingdom of heaven.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2010,11:53) Pierre, According to those scriptures the answer is yes. If that is so then you are near to the kingdom of heaven.
KERWINI still do not see what you try to achieve in your remark???
Pierre
Pierre,
I mean exactly what I stated. If you believe you will stop sinning through the power of God and if you make Jesus the Lord of your life and thus obey all his teachings then you are near the kingdom of heaven. Those scriptures you cited support that belief which is why I assumed you stated you so believe.
edited to add “and” I accidentally dropped.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2010,19:47) Pierre, I mean exactly what I stated. If you believe you will stop sinning through the power of God if you make Jesus the Lord of your life and thus obey all his teachings then you are near the kingdom of heaven. Those scriptures you cited support that belief which is why I assumed you stated you so believe.
kerwinis it this that you try to say??
Eph 4:17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking
so it looks that it is something we have to achieve,and it is the word of God knowledge that help us to do that,but in time we will be a vessel clean enough that God can use.
Pierre
kerwin
this is stange;because i quoted that scripture before ;but you try to make me say,and then you answered yourself with a question,like this;;Pierre,
According to those scriptures the answer is yes. If that is so then you are near to the kingdom of heaven.
and now you say;;Pierre,
That scripture summarizes my point;;;why did you not say that before
you are a student ,but not with much truth according to scriptures.
Pierre
Pierre,
I cannot remember when you posted that scripture before but scripture agrees with my point though you may not. In this case Ephesians 4:17 covers the main points in a few words but abstractly, thus difficult to understand. I on the other hand attempted to be clearer by highlighting the need to believe God’s promise of righteousness and obey all of Jesus’ teachings.
I have done more in this thread but the above is the driving force behind my actions and words.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 12 2010,03:31) Pierre, I cannot remember when you posted that scripture before but scripture agrees with my point though you may not. In this case Ephesians 4:17 covers the main points in a few words but abstractly, thus difficult to understand. I on the other hand attempted to be clearer by highlighting the need to believe God’s promise of righteousness and obey all of Jesus’ teachings.
I have done more in this thread but the above is the driving force behind my actions and words.
kerwinhow easy is it to just put others a side ,and put yourself into the position of leadership,and then hide behind the student figure,
you either are a student or you are not one ,you cannot be both,
if you teach you can not hide behind your ignorance,if so you should stay a student.
and you are a perfect liar,you say;but scripture agrees with my point though you may not,
you refusal to accept the truth of scriptures is clear to all to see ;you only understand the basics of scriptures ,and most of what i have seen you refuse to acknowledge scritures because they do not fit you point of view,yea just like the pharisees,experts in lies,
ex;scriptures says there is only 144000 what are called as part taken with Christ ,you say it is ALEGORICAL,so you are above Gods word,yea pharisees,or wen scriptures says;Christ comes from above,and the WORD was with God,and another of those scriptures (40)you rejected to make your point above God s word,yea you are a pharisee,
elevating yourself by pushing others downward,yea Pharisee's practice.the true christians accepts all scriptures to be God word not just what pleases him ,but search for the true meaning of the word of God .
and let God word interpret God s word,this you can not do.Pierre
Kerwin………Don't worry about Pierre, Just keep expounding the truth as God has and still is showing you brother. Remember it say “to Him who Has more shall be give him, but to him who has not even what he has shall be taken away from him”.. Many have false religious beliefs they acquired from their past and are still caught up in them. God has given you good incite, don't let some wacko distress you by trying to belittle you Brother. Keep up the Good work . While i may not always agree with every thing i certainly do see your sincerity and depth of discernment you have brother.. You do cause us all to ponder the scriptures more in depth.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 12 2010,03:31) Pierre, I cannot remember when you posted that scripture before but scripture agrees with my point though you may not. In this case Ephesians 4:17 covers the main points in a few words but abstractly, thus difficult to understand. I on the other hand attempted to be clearer by highlighting the need to believe God’s promise of righteousness and obey all of Jesus’ teachings.
I have done more in this thread but the above is the driving force behind my actions and words.
kerwinno kerwin it is not,, thus difficult to understand;
wen we see most of what Paul talks about;Eph 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
Eph 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Eph 4:16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.THE DIFFERENCE IS; OUTSIDE AND INSIDE OF THE TRUTH OF GOD.
Eph 4:17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.
Eph 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their heartsPierre
Pierre,
As a student in my youth I went through a grade progression where I became certain of the more basic stuff while still learning the more advanced. In those years I would tutor in that I was more certain while sharing my knowledge and ideas in what I was still learning. I did not consider myself a teacher except for the tutoring and then more of an aide.
Romans 1:17(NIV) reads:
Quote For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Believing the gospel is the point we are speaking of and it is the main theme of the New Testament. After all to stop sinning by the power of God is the righteousness that comes by faith. Ephesians 4:14-16 speaks of the results of believing and so obtaining this real righteousness as your actions become the spirit and not of the world. Ephesians 4:17-18 speak of unbeliever and a command not to be an unbeliever.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 12 2010,22:56) Pierre, As a student in my youth I went through a grade progression where I became certain of the more basic stuff while still learning the more advanced. In those years I would tutor in that I was more certain while sharing my knowledge and ideas in what I was still learning. I did not consider myself a teacher except for the tutoring and then more of an aide.
Romans 1:17(NIV) reads:
Quote For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Believing the gospel is the point we are speaking of and it is the main theme of the New Testament. After all to stop sinning by the power of God is the righteousness that comes by faith. Ephesians 4:14-16 speaks of the results of believing and so obtaining this real righteousness as your actions become the spirit and not of the world. Ephesians 4:17-18 speak of unbeliever and a command not to be an unbeliever.
kerwinthis is it;Ro 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
so what i understand is that it is Christ that is revealed as the righteousness from God,since Christ was no longer alive and even if he would be alive it is by faith that we believe that he was send by God and is God s son.
and so yes The righteous will live by faith.”
Pierre
Pierre,
According to Galatians 5:16-24 the righteousness that comes from God is the Holy Spirit. We receive and live by it through obeying all Jesus' teachings.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2010,00:00) Pierre, According to Galatians 5:16-24 the righteousness that comes from God is the Holy Spirit. We receive and live by it through obeying all Jesus' teachings.
kerwinis that what it says??
Gal 5:11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.
Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
Gal 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.
Gal 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.Gal 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
Gal 5:17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
Gal 5:20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
Gal 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each otheris this the holy spirit what Paul is talking about ?kerwin
Pierre
Pierre,
It sounds like the holy spirit in that those who live by it do not sin, i.e. gratify the desires of the world, Galatians 5:16; and its fruit are acts of righteousness, Galatians 5:22-23.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2010,01:15) Pierre, It sounds like the holy spirit in that those who live by it do not sin, i.e. gratify the desires of the world, Galatians 5:16; and its fruit are acts of righteousness, Galatians 5:22-23.
kerwinwould this mean that those who apply themself to fallow and practice what Christ and his diciples teachings do live according to God ans Christ spirit ,and so produce the fruits of that spirit ,???
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2010,15:07) Quote (barley @ Nov. 10 2010,21:03) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2010,17:10) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2010,23:09) Pierre, I believe that you interpret scriptures to support the tenet of Preexistence, but that does not mean they do. The way I understand those same scriptures the do not so I spoke what I am confident is true.
What does your interpretation have to do with godliness which is the principle of godly reasoning? The teaching you embrace instead makes Jesus a superhuman and thus puts the goal he achieved and sets for us of being righteous and holy as God is out of our reach. That is reasoning that relies on the principles of this world.
I on the other hand believe Jesus is a human being who set an example and goal that can be reached through faith. He does not leave us alone but he unites us with the power of God to overcome all our sins and thus come to peace with God. The pursuit of godliness by the power of God is a godly principle.
Kerwinfirst the preexistence is not reincarnation,it has nothing to do with all of us, as a soul,
what it is ;it is that God as chosen his son ,the first born of all creation to be the one qualified to performing the rescue for men sins.
to do that he had to give up his heavenly position and become one of us,and so he did voluntarily.this is what was foretold ,by the prophets.Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Jn 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
Jn 6:34 “Sir,” they said, “from now on give us this bread.”
Jn 6:35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life.Jn 8:38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful WORD(Christ). After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world,
Heb 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.
Heb 2:6 But there is a place where someone has testified:
“What is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
Heb 2:7 You made him a little lower than the angels;
you crowned him with glory and honor
Heb 2:8 and put everything under his feet.”In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—
Heb 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.
those scriptures i give you here are but a few,there is more of them ,but this should be sufficient for the spirit to understand that Christ was the son of God from heaven,not a man made who became the son of God,
there is only one ever son of God ,with many names but still one son ,the first born of all creation.Pierre
You can prove that there is no God from the Bible too. Your interpretations of those scriptures conflict with the rest the scriptures.barley
mr Barleyyou say;;Pierre
You can prove that there is no God from the Bible too. Your interpretations of those scriptures conflict with the rest the scriptures.barley
my request;;
if you can come up with scriptures that contradict what i have said or scriptures i produced
I will be pleased to see them ,so i could see were i can learn.
thank you in advance Mister Barley[/quote]
The scriptures that you have presented are my very list. Your ability to divert people's attention from the true meaning of those scriptures is most remarkable.
Philippians 2 is one example. The teaching and context is clearly God's exhortation to His people to humble themselves to obey God's word. God makes clear the potential we have with do so and the rewards of doing so. God presents the humble obedience of His son, our lord Jesus Christ as the prime example of a man choosing to humbly obey God.
barley
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2010,14:05) Whoa! Take it easy there oatmeal! 
barley:
Quote God is light and in him is no darkness at all.
Hmmmmm…… Jesus says he is the Light that came into the world. (John 3:19) And John says this about that “Light”:6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Thanks for reminding me. I've been meaning to add John 3:19 to the database.
Come on oatmeal, who did John testify concerning?
barely:
Quote Actually, you have no verses for preexistence.
Actually, adding John 3:19, it's up to 39, I think. Check them out, they're on the “Pre-existent Scripture Database” thead. It has been a labor of love for true believers.mike
Who was that light that John testified of?How about Philippians 2:15. We are lights in this world.
barley
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2010,15:13) Quote (barley @ Nov. 10 2010,20:48) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2010,15:46) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2010,21:56) Pierre, There are no scriptures that support the idea that Jesus preexists his birth and these scriptures support the idea Jesus and John the Baptist originated in their mother's wombs as that is what conceived means.
Kerwinunless you answer to all the scriptures in the section preexisting as i ask you,
you are a liar but not to me to Gods word,and have no scriptures to back you self up.
SO ANSWER THE 38 SCRIPTURES AND EXPLAIN THEM IN THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES
Pierre
I feel sorry for you. How many thousands of scriptures and you read only 30. You are really pitiful.Jesus Christ is the seed of the woman. Moses foretold that a prophet like unto him would be born. Did Moses preexist?
barley
Mr Barleywe do not talking about moses we talking about Jesus Christ ,the only son that is begotten by God.
you are welcome to give your explanation to all the scriptures
who are quoted in “preexisting data”i will looking forward to see your personal answers.
thank you mister Barley
Pierre
Jesus Christ was foretold to be a prophet like unto Moses?Did Moses pre exist? Was Jesus Christ like unto Moses or not?
If Moses did not pre exist, then neither did Jesus Christ.
barley
Quote (barley @ Nov. 14 2010,04:28) Jesus Christ was foretold to be a prophet like unto Moses? Did Moses pre exist? Was Jesus Christ like unto Moses or not?
If Moses did not pre exist, then neither did Jesus Christ.
barley
HI Barley,Thanks very much for your concern in this matter!
What if we all pre-existed? Have you ever considered that?2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)“The Word” in us!
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.I could also say the opposite of what you said…If Jesus preexisted then we all did! (Heb.2:17)
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that
he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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