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devo

those are some of my scriptures to support my believes;about being born again

1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
1Pe 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;
1Pe 1:16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
1Pe 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
1Pe 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
1Pe 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1Pe 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1Pe 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
1Pe 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1Pe 1:24 For,
“All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
1Pe 1:25 but the word of the Lord stands forever.”

And this is the word that was preached to you.
1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.

1Pe 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him—
1Pe 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
1Pe 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious.

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete.

1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Col 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Col 3:6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.
Col 3:7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived.
Col 3:8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
Col 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
Col 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

please read those scriptures they will confirm my believe

Terra,

I understand your position on this clearer now.
I must have misunderstood you after all, I truly apologise for that Pierre.

But I still disagree about the born again being when we come to Christ.
I do understand why you say it:

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1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

So I will get back to you when I come back on later and give my scriptures as to why I believe the opposite to you regarding this.

Thanks Pierre.

devo

even this scripture;1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

the seed here that Peter talks about his the gospel the words of live ,to bring us back to God ,

Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

MK 3:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

RO 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

EPH 6:6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

COL 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of your number, a bondslave of Jesus Christ, sends you his greetings, always laboring earnestly for you in his prayers, that you may stand perfect and fully assured in all the will of God.

HEB 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

1PE 4:19 Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.

1JN 2:17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

all those scriptures confirm what I have said

December 26, 2012 at 6:20 pm#325463

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Terra.

How many times will you be born again?
At babtism and in the resurrection?

wakeup.

December 26, 2012 at 7:25 pm#325465

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Terra.

How many times will you be born again?
At babtism and in the resurrection?

wakeup.

this is only because you believe in a lie ,

but the truth is only one birth through the will of God ,by obeying his will

HEB 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

December 26, 2012 at 11:22 pm#325942

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Terra.

How many times will you be born again?
At babtism and in the resurrection?

wakeup.

this is only because you believe in a lie ,

but the truth is only one birth through the will of God ,by obeying his will

HEB 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

Terra.

Still confused?

wakeup.

December 27, 2012 at 12:04 am#325948

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Terra.

How many times will you be born again?
At babtism and in the resurrection?

wakeup.

this is only because you believe in a lie ,

but the truth is only one birth through the will of God ,by obeying his will

HEB 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

Terra.

Still confused?

wakeup.

no problem

either just take a step backward check the 20 or so quotes ,or relax it will come by just waiting to come to you ,

your choice

December 27, 2012 at 12:28 am#325956

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Terra.

How many times will you be born again?
At babtism and in the resurrection?

wakeup.

this is only because you believe in a lie ,

but the truth is only one birth through the will of God ,by obeying his will

HEB 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

Terra.

Still confused?

wakeup.

no problem

either just take a step backward check the 20 or so quotes ,or relax it will come by just waiting to come to you ,

your choice

Terra.

You are never clear with your answers.
1. You are born again when you start living by the scriptures.

2. What about the resurrection; do you consider it not born again?

wakeup.

December 27, 2012 at 1:10 am#325964

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But I still disagree about the born again being when we come to Christ.
I do understand why you say it:

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1Pe 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

In my understanding, this is metaphoric language, much like Peter used in 1 Peter 1:3 – ….he gave us new birth…...

Also similar to Paul's metaphoric language in Colossians 3:1 – Since, then, you have been raised with Christ…... Of course, no one to whom Paul wrote his letter had LITERALLY been “raised with Christ” yet.

My two cents.

December 27, 2012 at 1:25 am#325973

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I can see that this as becom a debate of opinions rather than scriptures understanding

December 27, 2012 at 2:08 am#325985

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Pierre,

Isn't it YOUR opinion that Peter was speaking LITERALLY, and Jesus, in John 3, was speaking METHAPHORICALLY?

It is my opinion that the opposite is the case.

December 27, 2012 at 2:10 am#325986

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Even Jesus is born again only once. not twice.

I hate to nit-pick, but isn't Jesus an exception?

He was born as the first work of God. Then born again through Mary. Then born again-again from the dead.

December 27, 2012 at 2:29 am#325989

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Even Jesus is born again only once. not twice.

I hate to nit-pick, but isn't Jesus an exception?

He was born as the first work of God. Then born again through Mary. Then born again-again from the dead.

do you not see it that Christ was the first born of creation ,then he accepted to do the will of his father what was to give up his live as a human just to save the human race I really do not see a born again anything ,I only see someone given up his live to make others live,

but the way to obtain that live “the promise ” was for men to change to Gods will ,to return to what the relationship was before Adam sins , and that is obeying Gods will ,for the scriptures says that unless you obey and so do Gods will WE WILL NOT SEE THE PROMISE BUT A JUDGEMENT

and the promise is it ,not everlasting live ,in Gods kingdom either in heaven or on earth or do you know another promise please show me if you got one

if this is clear to you then you will understand that all the other scriptures are showing us why we have to believe in the promise and how to acquired

December 27, 2012 at 4:34 am#325993

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,02:38)

Even Jesus is born again only once. not twice.

I hate to nit-pick, but isn't Jesus an exception?

He was born as the first work of God. Then born again through Mary. Then born again-again from the dead.

Mike B.

Jesus FIRST BIRTH was when he became flesh.
His SECOND BIRTH was when he was resurrected in a spirit body.

The WORD of GOD was not born in heaven,because he was from everlasting with God.
In the beginning: This was the time when the WORD started to create the angels and the rest of creation.
For there was a time when the WORD STARTED to create.

wakeup.

wakeup.
for all creation has a beginning.

December 27, 2012 at 9:19 pm#326042

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Mike

resurrection his not a rebirth ,because if we do nothing to change our way of live and so stick to the works of the flesh we still be resurrected,

the resurrection is not even the promise ,the PROMISE HIS EVERLASTING LIFE IN GODS AND CHRIST KINGDOM ,
IF WE DIE OR NOT DIE ,THIS IS IRRELEVANT ,BUT IT IS LIFE IT SELF THAT HIS THE PROMISE ,THAT IS WHAT ADAM LOST FOR US ,AND IT IS THAT LIFE WE THROUGH CHRIST SACRIFICE HAVE GAIN ,THAT HIS THE PROMISE

Mike ,if you have doubts about what I said ;please write this into a question ,then read ;the book of Isaia ,the book of Psalms,then read the gospel of John and see if either it confirms or denies what I told you,I am sure it will confirm it

December 27, 2012 at 9:33 pm#326046

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Mike

resurrection his not a rebirth ,because if we do nothing to change our way of live and so stick to the works of the flesh we still be resurrected,

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the *FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD*; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

BORN FROM THE DEAD IS THE RESURRECTION.
THIS IS BORN AGAIN; THIS IS BORN SPIRIT.

BORN OF MOTHERS BELLY,IS BORN OF THE FLESH.
BORN OF WATER.

wakeup.

December 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm#326058

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This is probably not the thread for this, but the Word of God is Jesus Christ. He was with God in the beginning, and all things were created THROUGH him. (Note: It is NEVER said in ANY scripture that Jesus himself ever “created” anything at all.)

Just read John 17:5, Wakeup. How could Jesus have had glory alongside his God before the world began if he didn't yet exist before the world began?

How could he be the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15), or the beginning of the creation by God (Rev 3:14) if he wasn't even born until Mary?

How could Paul say Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made in the likeness of a human being (Phil 2:6-8) if it was not true?

There are about 50 other scriptures that testify to Jesus existing way before he was ever born of Mary.

So yes, Jesus was born as the first of all creation, then born again via Mary, and then born again from the dead.

(Pierre, all three of these occurances use the word “born”, so I don't understand the point you were trying to make.)

December 28, 2012 at 1:07 am#326064

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Just read John 17:5, Wakeup. How could Jesus have had glory alongside his God before the world began if he didn't yet exist before the world began?

How could he be the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15), or the beginning of the creation by God (Rev 3:14) if he wasn't even born until Mary?

How could Paul say Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made in the likeness of a human being (Phil 2:6-8) if it was not true?

There are about 50 other scriptures that testify to Jesus existing way before he was ever born of Mary.

So yes, Jesus was born as the first of all creation, then born again via Mary, and then born again from the dead.

(Pierre, all three of these occurances use the word “born”, so I don't understand the point you were trying to make.)

Mike B.

You have the spirit of knowing this man jesus,but up to now seems to be avoiding you,but keep it up.
AND THE hOLY SPIRIT WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO SEE BEYOND YOUR MINDS CAPABILITY.

1.God knew YOU before the world was.
Do you agree? WHEN YOU IN YOUR MIND WANTED TO CREATE A CHAIR; YOU ALREADY HAVE CREATED THAT CHAIR IN YOUR MIND BEFORE YOU HAVE CREATED IT.
YOU KNOW HOW THAT CHAIR LOOKS LIKE.IT IS ALREADY CREATED.

THerefore Jesus said; if you look at a woman with lust you already committed adultery in your mind; and you have not even done it, just imagining.

2.The WORD of God is a LIVING WORD.
Do you agree? The Holy spirit is also a living spirit.

3. The word was there with God from everlasting.
HE also knew Him before he was made flesh;HE WAS THE FIRST ON HIS MIND.He saw Him.

4.Before the angels and Adam were created;God already had Jesus in mind,he already saw Him first.

5. God is a spirit,and his word is also a spirit
they are both one spirit.God and his word both one.

6. God is before everything,and so is his word.
Gods plan was setup before everything was created.And he setup Jesus first,THEN THE REST.

7. God saw his birth before anything was created,this is a hard thing to comprehend,because we are bound by time.
It is just according to Gods timing,using our time frame that he brought his word forth in the flesh.(our time frame).And we can oly see this time frame.

But in Gods time frame; which today is yesterday,and tomorrow.This is also hard to grasp,because we are bound by our time frame.

The spiritual mind can go much deeper than the carnal mind.

To conclude.
God has all his plan before him,and his Son he taught of first,and from then the rest of his plan.

When man plans to go to war;he will get his armies and weapons ready first. And then only during a certain time in the war he will bring forth a certain weapon that he created before the war started.

In Gods plan,JESUS WAS THAT WEAPON.

wakeup.

December 28, 2012 at 1:18 am#326067

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WHEN YOU IN YOUR MIND WANTED TO CREATE A CHAIR; YOU ALREADY HAVE CREATED THAT CHAIR IN YOUR MIND BEFORE YOU HAVE CREATED IT.
YOU KNOW HOW THAT CHAIR LOOKS LIKE.IT IS ALREADY CREATED.

I won't get into this subject on this thread, Wakeup. But you are welcome to join us in the “Beginning” thread, where we have embarked on what has already proven to be a very enlightening journey.

I will, however, point out the error in your first example:

Yes, I can say the chair in my mind is beautiful even before I physically create it.

But THE CHAIR could never, after being created, speak of any beauty IT HAD alongside me before I created it.

Jesus though, DOES speak of a glory HE HIMSELF HAD before the world began.

He is NOT speaking about “the glory God had in mind for him some day”, but about a glory HE HIMSELF HAD before the world began.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges here.

December 28, 2012 at 1:40 am#326076

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Mike

resurrection his not a rebirth ,because if we do nothing to change our way of live and so stick to the works of the flesh we still be resurrected,

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in ONE DAY? or shall a NATION be BORN at once? for as soon as ZION TRAVAILED, *SHE* BROUGHT FORTH *HER* CHILDREN. (given birth).

Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to THE BIRTH, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and *SHUT THE WOMB*(the womb of mother Zion)? saith thy God.

Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with *HER*, all ye that LOVE *HER*: rejoice for joy with *HER*, all ye that mourn for *HER*:

Isaiah 66:11 That ye may SUCK, and be satisfied with the BREAST OF *HER* CONSOLATION; that ye may MILK OUT, and be delighted with the abundance of *HER* GLORY.

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to *HER* like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye SUCK, ye shall be borne upon *HER* SIDES, and be dandled upon *HER* KNEES.

MOTHER ZION GIVING BIRTH TO *HER* CHILDREN IN THE RESURRECTION. SPIRIT CHILDREN BORN IN ONE DAY,NOT FLESH.

wakeup.

December 28, 2012 at 3:36 am#326086

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Mike

resurrection his not a rebirth ,because if we do nothing to change our way of live and so stick to the works of the flesh we still be resurrected,

Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to THE BIRTH, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and *SHUT THE WOMB*(the womb of mother Zion)? saith thy God.

Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with *HER*, all ye that LOVE *HER*: rejoice for joy with *HER*, all ye that mourn for *HER*:

Isaiah 66:11 That ye may SUCK, and be satisfied with the BREAST OF *HER* CONSOLATION; that ye may MILK OUT, and be delighted with the abundance of *HER* GLORY.

MOTHER ZION GIVING BIRTH TO *HER* CHILDREN IN THE RESURRECTION. SPIRIT CHILDREN BORN IN ONE DAY,NOT FLESH.

wakeup.

wup

you have no understanding in Gods word, you have to many doctrines from religion ,get rid of them first then you may be see better

December 28, 2012 at 5:59 am#326093