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December 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm#269678

Wakeup

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Born of water is being interpreted as babtism?

The conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus is about being born again,Nicodemus ask how can an old man be born again,does he have to go back in the mothers womb?

Jesus said; exept you are born again,you can not SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Jesus said,except a man be born of WATER and of the SPIRRIT,he can not ENTER the kingdom of God.

THat which is born of the FLESH IS FLESH; AND THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT:Like the wind.

We are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

Many christians were made to believe that they are born again and they are spirit. They walk with total confidence that they are saved for ever,and they have the ticket to heaven in their pocket,and nothing can take it away from them.The tribulation is not for them,because they will be taken up to heaven before it all happens. there is nothing to be concerned about.The book of revelation is not for them,only for the world.
RISE UP YE WOMEN THAT ARE AT EASE;hear Gods voice,ye careless daughters;Give ear to Gods speech.

MANY DAYS AND YEARS shall ye be troubled,ye careless women; for the vintage shall fail and the GATHERING SHAL NOT COME.

Tremble, ye women that are at ease;be troubled, ye careless ones,: strip you and and make you bare,and gird sackcloth upon your loins.

I hope it will shed some light in a dark room.

God bless.

wakeup.

December 28, 2011 at 2:00 am#269686

terraricca

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wakeup

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e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom,

born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

Pierre

December 28, 2011 at 12:08 pm#269758

Wakeup

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e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom,

born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

Pierre

Hi Terra.

Which is born of the FLESH is FLESH.
And that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
John3:8 Jesus is comparing it with the wind.

Isiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such a thing? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as ZION travailed,she brought forth HER CHILDREN.
( The resurction of Zions children.(in spirit body.)

greetings.

wakeup.

December 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm#324701

terraricca

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wakeup

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e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom,

born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

Pierre

Hi Terra.

Which is born of the FLESH is FLESH.
And that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
John3:8 Jesus is comparing it with the wind.

greetings.

wakeup.

wup

you really do not understand the scriptures you quoting for your own support ,

Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
Isa 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
Isa 66:11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
Isa 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
Isa 66:13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Isa 66:14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

you are still in the dark ,because of your inclination toward men

December 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm#324765

Wakeup

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e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom,

born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

Pierre

Hi Terra.

Which is born of the FLESH is FLESH.
And that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
John3:8 Jesus is comparing it with the wind.

greetings.

wakeup.

wup

you really do not understand the scriptures you quoting for your own support ,

you are still in the dark ,because of your inclination toward men

Good scriptures Terra.

Now please enterpret what it all means?

Can you tell us what it is all about?

wakeup.

December 20, 2012 at 1:47 am#324804

terraricca

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wakeup

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e are all born of the flesh(water) we came out of our mothers womb,therefore we are flesh.

But if we are born of the spirit,we are spirit(resurection), we are born of Gods spiritual woman(zion).

But now are we still in the flesh,but we have conformed our minds in christ,the old me is dead,the new me is now.

question: Is this whole conversation about baptism?Why is it interpreted by the christian churches as babtism?

the water ;means knowledge,unless you are nourished of the knowledge of the kingdom of God you will not be able to see (understand) that kingdom,

born again means that after you have received the knowledge of the kingdom and learn the to go there now you are born again,and so follow the road that God had made for all men so he can save them.

Pierre

Hi Terra.

Which is born of the FLESH is FLESH.
And that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
John3:8 Jesus is comparing it with the wind.

greetings.

wakeup.

wup

you really do not understand the scriptures you quoting for your own support ,

you are still in the dark ,because of your inclination toward men

Good scriptures Terra.

Now please enterpret what it all means?

Can you tell us what it is all about?

wakeup.

waup

I quote you the scriptures at the least read it .

December 20, 2012 at 3:21 am#324828

mikeboll64

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Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

December 20, 2012 at 5:03 am#324840

terraricca

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,08:21)

Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

Mike

being born again means that we have come to make the profound change in our live ;so that what we think ,do, love. becomes all one part in our soul ,wen that his achieved ,WE ARE NOW BORN AGAIN ,not of the will of men but of the will of God

could you understand this

December 20, 2012 at 6:34 am#324851

journey42

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,08:21)

Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

Mike

could you understand this

Pierre,

During the first first resurrection, will they be raised into flesh or spirit?

December 20, 2012 at 6:50 am#324854

terraricca

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,08:21)

Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

Mike

could you understand this

Pierre,

During the first first resurrection, will they be raised into flesh or spirit?

j42

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

what is this scriptures tells you

December 20, 2012 at 8:20 am#324862

journey42

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,08:21)

Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

Mike

could you understand this

Pierre,

During the first first resurrection, will they be raised into flesh or spirit?

j42

what is this scriptures tells you

Pierre,

It tells me that you did not answer my question.

The 144K are the firstfruits. The rest follow them.
Nevertheless, whoever will take part in the first resurrection,
will they be raised into spirit or into flesh?
Just a simple question Pierre.

December 20, 2012 at 11:36 am#324884

Wakeup

Participant

Terra.

The scriptures you quoted is about the sealed.
Wrong scriptures.Can not use that to back up this topic.

The topic is: BORN AGAIN.

HOW MANY TIMES CAN A PERSON BE BORN?

Answer; only twice.NOT more.

1. Born of water (out of mum).(flesh).

2. Born out of spirit; (out of our spiritual mum,Zion;Gods woman).

3. N.A.( NOT MORE THAN TWICE).

Born out of our flesh mother,we came out flesh.

Born out of spirit mother(Zion); we come out spirit.(the resurrection).

A person that have been converted is NOT born again,BECAUSE HE can always go BACK to his old ways.
MANY IN THE LAST DAYS WILL FALL AWAY. SO WHAT THEN? CAN HE BE REBORN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN?
AGAIN MEANS 2X.

As soon as we are born,we are send to school,and fed with worldly things. we become worldly,untill the spirit inside us
longs to know God; and we start seeking God.
Some just go to church, and some just occasionally read the bible, and leave the answers to others to find.Some dont bother, just what will be, will be; attitude.

Some really get into the bible,and starts to change their minds about the worlds system of things.
They become a different person mentally and becomes more God fearing and change their ways.

These are them that are born again mentally.(but physically still flesh).

The SPIRITUAL SEED INSIDE WILL GROW TO MATURITY,
AND FINALLY BE BORN.
The flesh will turn to dust,and the spirit will be given a glorified body. (an angelic body).

JESUS:
He was the Word MADE FLESH.
He was God fearing as soon as he was born,and as his fleshly brain matured, so does his knowledge improved.
He was never indoctrinated by going to school.

He was baptised in water simply to follow the law at that time. That was also the day that His father officially begot him;and he was also babtised by the Holy spirit at that same time.

He sowed the seed,and his apostles spreads the same seed to the gentiles.(satan was also sowing tares).
He finished the work of his Father on the cross,without any resistance;he was found perfect.

His Father glorified his flesh body,and made him higher than the angels.and gave him charge.He was born again.
The first amongst his brethren,and now sitting next to his Father,waiting for this next assignment.

His next assignment is to destroy this world system of things,and harvest what is his and set up his kingdom on earth.

This man Jesus is a model for us to follow.
Follow his passion; for God, and his mentality,and his devotion,and we will be made like him.

BORN A NEW CREATURE IN A BODY THAT SUITS THE SPIRIT.

wakeup.

December 20, 2012 at 12:40 pm#324887

terraricca

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 20 2012,13:20)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2012,16:50)

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 20 2012,11:34)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2012,15:03)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,08:21)

Being born again refers to when some of us will be changed. There is no flesh being living today who is already “born again” in the way Jesus meant in John 3.

I have never understood what is meant by people saying they are “Born Again Christians”. I believe they are understanding John 3 incorrectly.

Mike

could you understand this

Pierre,

During the first first resurrection, will they be raised into flesh or spirit?

j42

what is this scriptures tells you

Pierre,

It tells me that you did not answer my question.

The 144K are the firstfruits. The rest follow them.
Nevertheless, whoever will take part in the first resurrection,
will they be raised into spirit or into flesh?
Just a simple question Pierre.

J42

if you do not believe scriptures then you are above the scriptures and so judge them ,

I am not becoming a liar by quoting you thing not found in scriptures ,

so I have to admit that I can not answer your worldly question, I do not want to be part of the world ,

have a great day

December 20, 2012 at 12:43 pm#324889

terraricca

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