Born and begotten

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  • #195355
    NickHassan
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    Hi Oxy,
    Know the Spirit of Christ and the blessed vessel, Jesus.

    #195360
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Oxy,

    Your last comment to Mike, I mentioned this to him before and to t8. This thing of saying 'someone is themself' smacks of 'sillyness', below the level intelligent discord.

    T8 explained that 'it was a reasonable question' [given the line of reasoning], and in some cases the posters line of reasoning can get tortuous, especially if they are trying to twist away from their original line of thinking without appearing to be doing so (They get caught, snakelike, by their own tale (pun intended! In a true statement, the head should never touch the tail) God never touches man except through a third party, a Field Marshall never actually 'does battle' except through third parties, the chairman never actually 'physically makes' his company's products, God never physically made the heavens andthe earth but through third parties….)

    Mike,

    Did I not warn you before this began…

    It is wonderful how the Holy Spirit works…

    “Come close and hear this”…
    “I am what I Am, and what I Am needs no excuses!”

    This is what the Spirit said to me this morning… How could I have known that I would be saying it to you, This Day!

    Yes, I'm raw
    Scratch you with my claw
    Your response – pretty poor
    Yet you keep coming back with more.

    I asked you to refrain
    cos there would be much pain
    I asked once more, and then again
    but you said,”S'Ok, I'm stayin'!”

    Have I not said before, then I say again:
    “He who God shows out the door, he first drives them insane”

    But I say 'not'.

    I say that it is said because the sayer has misunderstood, sometimes 'deliberately so' in an attempt to discredit their opponent.

    #195377
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi JA,
    MB is a student worthy of more respect than you seem to offer.

    #195384
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Nick,

    If you knew the the hidden history then you would understand.

    For did I not write
    Gave preWarning – insight
    Requested he take flight
    But he stayed for the fight.

    Now, who in Scriptures could that be possibly be likened to? Don't think too much, it doesn't take a lot!

    #195394
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,18:07)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2010,16:39)
    Oxy………The word Begotten means to (BE-GOT) or(brought) forth, Jesus was not the (ONLY) begotten son of GOD, He was a (uniquely) Begotten son of GOD. He is the only Begotten from the dead as a Son of GOD, the first begotten or raised of many brothers we are told. Adam was also Begotten of GOD as well as all angles and all creation to.  God has Brought it all forth by His POWER and Might.   He alone is GOD and there is (NO) other true GOD as Jesus Himself PLAINLY Said,  REMEMBER, “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”, When are people going to begin to believe what Jesus said Oxy?

    peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene


    So which should disregard John 1:1?  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God?  Was John mistaken?


    Oxy………God's word (IS) God , just as your Words are you and John 1:1 Shows us that GOD and His WORD are one and the same thing. If John wanted to imply Jesus there He would have just written Jesus there , He knew him and knew how to spell his name right? If he meant to say Jesus he would have written it there. Forcing text to meet false religious ideologies is wrong Oxy. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene

    #195431
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,02:18)

    Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,18:07)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2010,16:39)
    Oxy………The word Begotten means to (BE-GOT) or(brought) forth, Jesus was not the (ONLY) begotten son of GOD, He was a (uniquely) Begotten son of GOD. He is the only Begotten from the dead as a Son of GOD, the first begotten or raised of many brothers we are told. Adam was also Begotten of GOD as well as all angles and all creation to.  God has Brought it all forth by His POWER and Might.   He alone is GOD and there is (NO) other true GOD as Jesus Himself PLAINLY Said,  REMEMBER, “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”, When are people going to begin to believe what Jesus said Oxy?

    peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene


    So which should disregard John 1:1?  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God?  Was John mistaken?


    Oxy………God's word (IS) God , just as your Words are you and John 1:1 Shows us that GOD and His WORD are one and the same thing. If John wanted to imply Jesus there He would have just written Jesus there , He knew him and knew how to spell his name right?  If he meant to say Jesus he would have written it there. Forcing text to meet false religious ideologies is wrong Oxy.  IMO

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene


    Hi Gene, The Word of God was made flesh.. pretty simple.. and He was called Jesus. Since His resurrection He has received His title of Word again.. Rev 19.13. Can mere words ride a horse?

    #195433
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,20:15)
    Hi Oxy,
    Know the Spirit of Christ and the blessed vessel, Jesus.


    Hi Nick, thanks.

    I know my Father.
    I know my Saviour.
    I know the Spirit who teaches me and guides me.

    Did you know we were made in the likeness of God?
    We are body, soul and spirit… 3 parts, just like God.

    #195434
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (JustAskin @ June 12 2010,21:59)
    Oxy,

    Your last comment to Mike, I mentioned this to him before and to t8. This thing of saying 'someone is themself' smacks of 'sillyness', below the level intelligent discord.


    Hi JA, I have no idea what you are talking about.. sorry.

    #195437
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Oxy,
    So where in scripture do you see mention of a body for God of flesh and from the dust of earth?
    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom[1cor15]

    #195439
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,08:13)
    Hi Oxy,
    So where in scripture do you see mention of a body for God of flesh and from the dust of earth?
    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom[1cor15]


    Didn't Jesus come in flesh and blood?

    That's not to say He was always flesh and blood obviously, and I'm not saying we are exactly like God, that would be foolishness, but we are a three part being are we not?

    #195440
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Oxy,
    You may be right in that God may have a spiritual body like His son now has but is it written?

    #195443
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,08:18)
    Hi Oxy,
    You may be right in that God may have a spiritual body like His son now has but is it written?


    I don't recall saying that God has a body Nick, other than the body of His Son.

    #195444
    Arnold
    Participant

    Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,06:05)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,20:15)
    Hi Oxy,
    Know the Spirit of Christ and the blessed vessel, Jesus.


    Hi Nick,  thanks.

    I know my Father.
    I know my Saviour.
    I know the Spirit who teaches me and guides me.

    Did you know we were made in the likeness of God?
    We are body, soul and spirit… 3 parts, just like God.


    Oxy We are a soul, not of a souls, that is a difference. We have a Spirit that is of man and not of God… God's Holy Spirit is what we receive at Baptism when the minister lays hands on you, and we receive God's Holy Spirit, without it we cannot understand anything…..of God….what is really like God???? Only that which God has given us. We are not immortal like God…. God made sure of that, why? Becuse He made the Angels that way and they sinned, so He made us different so we can be tested and die in the Lake of Fire if we don't follow Him…..
    Peace and Love Irene

    #195446
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Oxy,
    And God is not His son though they are one in the Spirit just as we will be one with them[Jn17]
    God is spirit and now the Lord is the Spirit[2cor3]

    #195453
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,08:26)
    Hi Oxy,
    And God is not His son though they are one in the Spirit just as we will be one with them[Jn17]
    God is spirit and now the Lord is the Spirit[2cor3]


    Was Jesus spirit when He was raised up in the clouds, or had He received a new body?

    #195455
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Arnold @ June 13 2010,08:23)
    Oxy  We are a soul, not of a souls, that is a difference.  We have a Spirit that is of man and not of God… God's Holy Spirit is what we receive at Baptism when the minister lays hands on you, and we receive God's Holy Spirit, without it we cannot understand anything…..of God….what is really like God???? Only that which God has given us.  We are not immortal like God…. God made sure of that, why?  Becuse He made the Angels that way and they sinned, so He made us different so we can be tested and die in the Lake of Fire if we don't follow Him…..
    Peace and Love Irene


    We are a soul, not of a souls? I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what you are saying.

    I am very well aware of our spirit and the Holy Spirit and the differences.

    How can you compare us with angels? We are children of God, nothing like the angels. Do you think God didn't know what He was doing?

    I'm sorry, but your reply confuses me.

    Peace.

    #195456
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Oxy,
    He was raised in the tattered flesh and bones body he died in [Lk24.39] to fulfill the promise shown in Acts 2.22-36 and Rom1
    Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom[1cor15] I suggest he was changed when he left their sight.
    When his brothers are raised in a new imperishable body they will be like now to him[1cor15]
    What we will exactly be like is yet unknown[1Jn3.2]

    #195461
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,08:45)
    Hi Oxy,
    He was raised in the tattered flesh and bones body he died in [Lk24.39] to fulfill the promise shown in Acts 2.22-36 and Rom1
    Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom[1cor15] I suggest he was changed when he left their sight.
    When his brothers are raised in a new imperishable body they will be like now to him[1cor15]
    What we will exactly be like is yet unknown[1Jn3.2]


    Good answer Nick. I'm on board with you there. Christ left in His new body and will return in the same way according to the Scriptures.

    #195465
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Oxy,
    Then what of the Spirit PROCEEDING from the Father[Jn 15.26]?
    Do you believe God is DIVIDED FROM His Spirit?

    #195467
    Oxy
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,08:58)
    Hi Oxy,
    Then what of the Spirit PROCEEDING from the Father[Jn 15.26]?
    Do you believe God is DIVIDED FROM His Spirit?


    I do not believe God is divided Nick, but John 14:26 says “But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.”

    Did Father God send Himself?

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