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A, DBF, how old are you. 12, eleven, what? younger…
The angels were NOT in Spirit form as angels when they procreated – they took on bodies of FLESH…. and then procreated with Fleshkind women.
DBF, what hallucinary drug do you take before posting in this forum – please tell me so I can request it be banned….
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:55) BTW, it doesn't negate the word Begotten, but only in your mind. The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5 You keep saying only the three Js, but last I looked it is about even in the polls thread concerning Jesus “begetting” before the ages.
Well, if your assertion that the apostles knew is correct, then that means ALL of the church fathers I've seen writings of missed that part of the scriptures. Is that what you think happened Keith?And the polls show exactly 3 voting for after he was raised. How many J's are there again?
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:16) Yes Mike We know that you are reverting to the ambiguous language of the Fathers who did not all agree BTW, to support your ambiguous claims and theorys.
We have shown you scriptures to support our claims.
WJ
I don't remember you ever showing a scripture that explained that “yalad”, “monogenes” and “gennao” were only metaphorical when applied to Jesus.There isn't one……so what scriptures are you claiming support your theory? Heb 1? Please.
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,19:14) A, DBF, how old are you. 12, eleven, what? younger… The angels were NOT in Spirit form as angels when they procreated – they took on bodies of FLESH…. and then procreated with Fleshkind women.
DBF, what hallucinary drug do you take before posting in this forum – please tell me so I can request it be banned….
Again JA,You asked for Scripture and i gave it to you.
Then you respond with name calling and belittling.
Too funny.
the professor
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,17:25) Keith,
Just maybe those verses are ambiguious to you and not to us and the early church fathers. That seems obvious. Many see what you cannot, in other words.
He sees it “loud and clear” Kathi. But to admit it would be to say Jesus had a beginning, like scriptures actually teach. (Micah, Proverbs, Colossians, Revelation, and many others)And that won't fit into his doctrine, so he has to play “blind”.
It's wearing a little thin, huh? You have done a great job in this thread Kathi. You can only lead the horse to water……you can't make him drink.
mike
DBF,
Posting Nonesense does not make you any more intelligent than a milchcow. What you posted was out of context, therefore invalid.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:42) But those who say: 'THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS NOT;' and 'HE WAS NOT BEFORE HE WAS MADE;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.
I'll second Eusebius' thought here WJ:Where are any of those phrases used in scripture?
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,19:29) DBF, Posting Nonesense does not make you any more intelligent than a milchcow. What you posted was out of context, therefore invalid.
JA,What was out of context? you wanted Scripture showing Angels begetting, no?
The Professor
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,19:29) Mike, You crying like a child who can't get his own way.
Hi JA,I don't know which post you refer to, and I'm not willing to read back through 8 new pages of posts and try to guess which one of my posts it is.
Yes, I think DBF is doing a GREAT job here. And we've pm'd a while back about his “holy spirit is a chick” theory. I told him the same thing I told you about the “perfect Satan”…….I don't see it at first glance, but I haven't ever looked into it. I will eventually.
Kudos for “almost” posting scripture!
Atta boy JA. I knew you had it in you. Now if we could just get you to post a little of the post you are responding to, we could have a clue as to what you're talking about. 
Well, at least we'll know which post you're spewing “crazy talk” about. peace and love,
mikeDBF,
They were not in ANgel form but in FLESH…. the point is AS SPIRITs – you answering for Mike… Check the question – Angels are SPIRITS.
What they did was ILLEGAL and so God has banned angels from CREATING Flesh bodies and occupying them.
Spirits angels do not beget Spirit offspring. You changed the context to further your aim – THAT too, IS ILLEGAL…
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,19:44) Remember, i tried to help you. I offered my support, gave you might support, but gently suggested that you were wrong in your dispute.
Yes, I remember that. Do you remember that I said I never asked for or wanted your help? Do you remember that I said I thought YOU were the one who was interpreting scripture incorrectly? And as far as support goes…..well the saying “with friends like you, who needs enemies” comes to mind. Your idea of “support” has been to ridicule, embarrass, and insult me for months. All without showing a shred of scriptural support.Face it JA. You don't want the many different words used in the Bible in referrence to Jesus being begotten to be “real” because that would eliminate the possibility of Satan being the real firstborn of God.
And you agree with KJ and WJ on the firstborn issue because you want the scriptures to all be “fractal”, and therefore again, your “Satan was God's real firstborn” theory could apply.
In your quest to have your theories be correct, don't lose sight of what the scriptures actually say.
And I actually posted about how I wish they never stopped calling God “Jehovah” months ago. I think when they went to “Lord” and “God”, it opened up the rift through which the trinity doctrine slipped in. So I agree with DBF on this point.
mike
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,02:27) So He was “begotten” at His resurrection/exaltation.
Hi Jack,Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't those two things 40 days apart?
Which “today” was the “today” he was “begotten”?
mike
Mike,
And what is your ferver for wanting Jesus to be Firstborn even though Spirits are not “Born” but created.
Talk me through Baby preJesus growing up as a spirit toddler and doing all the things toddlers do?
and then he grows up and creates the angels – his offspring, his begotten ones, how did he “born” them and become their father?Who asked for a definition of the substance of Jesus…someone did… What is a Spirit? What is different between a Spirit and a Flesh person?
Which Spirit Procreated – What is “Procreation”? What is “create” different from “Procreate”?
God created the Angels – God Procreated the Angels?
What is (are) the difference(s) between God and Jesus – and as Jesus becomes Begotten of God as Mankind that overcomes will also be begotten of God – will mankind then become as God as Jesus is as God? ooohhh dangerous… dangerous territory… treacherous waters… getting a little Lost in Scriptural Dimensions “Danger, Danger – Will Robinson!”
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,20:13) Mike, And what is your ferver for wanting Jesus to be Firstborn even though Spirits are not “Born” but created.
Talk me through Baby preJesus growing up as a spirit toddler and doing all the things toddlers do?
and then he grows up and creates the angels – his offspring, his begotten ones, how did he “born” them and become their father?Who asked for a definition of the substance of Jesus…someone did… What is a Spirit? What is different between a Spirit and a Flesh person?
Which Spirit Procreated – What is “Procreation”? What is “create” different from “Procreate”?
God created the Angels – God Procreated the Angels?
What is (are) the difference(s) between God and Jesus – and as Jesus becomes Begotten of God as Mankind that overcomes will also be begotten of God – will mankind then become as God as Jesus is as God? ooohhh dangerous… dangerous territory… treacherous waters… getting a little Lost in Scriptural Dimensions “Danger, Danger – Will Robinson!”
Hi JA,Why don't you ask him HOW God created everything THRU Jesus?
Angels have appeared and look like humans.
Demons have inhabited people.
You are right about spirits, angels and anything else that exists being “Created” versus pro-created. Pro-creation is an act producing offspring. God created Man and Man pro-creates.
God says that Jesus is His only begotten son which leaves no doubt of Jesus' status or preeminence. And as a begotten son he cannot be God, even though he pre-existed.
We are sons of God just as Jesus is a son of God with one distinction and big difference…WE are adopted, Jesus was begotten.
The Professor
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,10:08) Mike, Can you answer me where in Scripture Spirits are said to procreate?
I can show you in scripture where God, who is Spirit is said to have begotten a Son thru whom the world was created.Will that suffice?
How about you…….can you show me the scripture that says spirits can't produce children?
I think Jack and Keith have led people to think “procreate” means to have intercourse with someone of the other sex. It actually just means:
Procreate
–verb (used with object)
1. to beget or generate (offspring).
2. to produce; bring into being.Did God “beget or generate offspring”? Did He “produce” or “bring into being” anyone? Yes and Yes.
Btw, I didn't say Jesus created the angels, I said all things (including the angels – which would also include Satan) came into being thru him. That is what scripture states, and I'm satisfied with it.
mike
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,10:05) Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,17:53) Gene, DBF is who Mike has 'begotten' as his student so don't be surprised at anything!
JA,I doubt it as he doesn't like my Scriptures either.
The Professor
Hi David,I like all scriptures and believe them. What scripture did you ever post to me that I didn't like? Or was it maybe your inferrence that the scripture said God was a “she/male” that I didn't like.
mike
Professor,
Adopted – – ok, lets do a Mike: Where does it say that we are adopted? I'm going to dispute it even though i've never read it!!!
Oh, and be careful with the use of “WE”. WE are not anything until WE overcome and put off the flesh and become Spiritual so please qualify WE when you use it (Quote it if you like so meaning ” 'We' who overcome”)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,20:32) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,10:05) Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,17:53) Gene, DBF is who Mike has 'begotten' as his student so don't be surprised at anything!
JA,I doubt it as he doesn't like my Scriptures either.
The Professor
Hi David,I like all scriptures and believe them. What scripture did you ever post to me that I didn't like? Or was it maybe your inferrence that the scripture said God was a “she/male” that I didn't like.
mike
Mike,JA is just being a JA…
You haven't responded to many of my scriptures. But the point being made is that I am not your student as he implied.
But since we are talking, let's look at this one about male/female….that everyone refuses to acknowledge:
Is God's image male and female as the Scripture says? Gen 1:27
Or am I taking something out of context?
If I am, then why did God follow up and create Man in His image, male and female?
Did God do the talking, or David.
JA avoids answering because he can't. I think that The Holy Spirit doesn't exist in his “theology”…. or at best is an “it” (thing) owned by God.
I can't tell you what JA thinks because he hasn't given any ideas, just smart aleck remarks. I don't know if he even owns a Bible as I don't see Scripture being quoted. Even Satan quoted Scriptures….haha
Why doesn't he post his beliefs in Members Profiles. I have.
The Professor
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,20:36) Professor, Adopted – – ok, lets do a Mike: Where does it say that we are adopted? I'm going to dispute it even though i've never read it!!!
Oh, and be careful with the use of “WE”. WE are not anything until WE overcome and put off the flesh and become Spiritual so please qualify WE when you use it (Quote it if you like so meaning ” 'We' who overcome”)
JA,I'll be your reference boy….
Rom 8:23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
Gal 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
The Professor
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