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Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:
Quote Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
Keith,Did I miss the day that God gave Mike the authority to declare which words that come out of God's mouth are “unimportant?”
Jack
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,01:18) To All……….God the Father is Spirit, Jesus said Jesus also He was not a Spirit because you can not see Spirit, and they could see Jesus because even after he was resurected he was flesh and bone. But GOD who it says no one has seen is pure Spirit. He can live (IN) a persons Body as Jesus plainly said the Father was (IN) HIM, God Considers our bodies as temples places he can dwell (IN), He spoke through Jesus and said “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS (I) (GOD) SHALL RAISE IT UP”, that was God speaking first person (through) Jesus, He was (IN) Him, but because GOD was (IN) Jesus does not make Jesus GOD, Nor the WORDS HE SPOKE (HIS) WORDS.
GOD the Father and His Words are one and the same, Jesus is the spokesmen who GOD Spoke to Us through , Just as He spoke to Us through the Prophets of OLD. That did not make the Prophets a GOD nor does it make Jesus the First to be Born from Creation as a Son of GOD, a GOD Either. IMOpeace and love to you all………………………………..gene
Gene! In John 17:5 it says that He had a glory before the world was with His Father in Heaven and to that He wants to go back to. In the beginning was the Word and the Word became flesh in verse 14 of John 1. It also says that He will come back as The Word of God and King of Kings and Lord of Lords in Rev. 19:13-16. You have said that John 1:1 is the plan of God, and the Word of God, and not Jesus, which then became flesh?? The Spoken Word of God….Nobody has seen God's form or heard His voice. It was always either an Angel or The Word of God, who became Jesus…Jesus did not say that He was not a Spirit Being, where do you get that from, not in my Bible….To be in Heaven He had to be a Spirit Being because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God…
Of course He died for us and was resurrected, He manifest Himself so His Apostles could see Him go where He was before… Even Maria Magdalene did not recognise Jesus….the reason that we are the Temple of God is because God's Holy Spirit lives in us…..
Peace to you and yours, IreneMikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:
Quote Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
How about Jonah who said that he cried the “WOMB” of sheol and the Lord heard him (Jonah 2:1-2)? Wouldn't this suggest that Jonah's deliverance from the “womb” of sheol was a “mystical” begetting?Wouldn't this in turn suggest that Jesus' deliverance from sheol was ALSO a “begetting” seeing that Jonah's captivity in the fish (sheol) and his deliverance from the same was a “SIGN” to the Jews?
Mike is clearly disobedient to the word of God. It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.
the Roo
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,09:18) To All……….God the Father is Spirit, Jesus said Jesus also He was not a Spirit because you can not see Spirit, and they could see Jesus because even after he was resurected he was flesh and bone. But GOD who it says noone has seen is pure Spirit. He can live (IN) a persons Body as Jesus plainly said the Father was (IN) HIM, God Considers our bodies as temples places he can dwell (IN), He spoke through Jesus and said “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS (I) (GOD) SHALL RAISE IT UP”, that was God speaking first person (through) Jesus, He was (IN) Him, but because GOD was (IN) Jesus does not make Jesus GOD, Nor the WORDS HE SPOKE (HIS) WORDS.
GOD the Father and His Words are one and the same, Jesus is the spokesmen who GOD Spoke to Us through , Just as He spoke to Us through the Prophets of OLD. That did not make the Prophets a GOD nor does it make Jesus the First to be Born from Creation as a Son of GOD, a GOD Either. IMOpeace and love to you all………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,It is hard to follow what you wrote but it doesn't seem to be congruent.
Look at it:
God the Father is Spirit.
Jesus is flesh and bone.
Jesus is (I) (God).One out of three ain't too bad if you're playing baseball .333
The Bible says that God is spirit. Not God, “the Father” is spirit.
Jesus never said, “I, God” but “I will raise it up.”Here's Scripture to help:
Jhn 4:24 “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
God the Father (YHWH Elohim) is not Spirit but has a physical body.
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) WALKING in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife HID themselves from the PRESENCE of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Spirit Elohim is spirit (noun, feminine) and is the one who dwells in us.
The Professor
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,09:48) Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus: Quote Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
How about Jonah who said that he cried the “WOMB” of sheol and the Lord heard him (Jonah 2:1-2)? Wouldn't this suggest that Jonah's deliverance from the “womb” of sheol was a “mystical” begetting?Wouldn't this in turn suggest that Jesus' deliverance from sheol was ALSO a “begetting” seeing that Jonah's captivity in the fish (sheol) and his deliverance from the same was a “SIGN” to the Jews?
Mike is clearly disobedient to the word of God. It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.
the Roo
Hi Roo,I missed the debate before.
Could you give Scripture that says:
“It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.”
Does this mean that Jesus didn't exist before his resurrection?
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,01:59) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,09:48) Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus: Quote Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
How about Jonah who said that he cried the “WOMB” of sheol and the Lord heard him (Jonah 2:1-2)? Wouldn't this suggest that Jonah's deliverance from the “womb” of sheol was a “mystical” begetting?Wouldn't this in turn suggest that Jesus' deliverance from sheol was ALSO a “begetting” seeing that Jonah's captivity in the fish (sheol) and his deliverance from the same was a “SIGN” to the Jews?
Mike is clearly disobedient to the word of God. It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.
the Roo
Hi Roo,I missed the debate before.
Could you give Scripture that says:
“It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.”
Does this mean that Jesus didn't exist before his resurrection?
The Professor
Acts 13:32-33:32And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath RAISED UP JESUS again; as it is also WRITTEN in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, TODAY have I begotten thee.
See also:
1. He was decreed to be the Son of God by the resurrection of the dead (Rom. 1:1-4)
2. He was begotten at His exaltation to the right hand of God (Hebrews 1:1-6)
3. He was begotten when he passed through the heavens (Heb. 4:14-5:6)
4. He became the firstbegotten from the dead (Colossians 1:18)
So He was “begotten” at His resurrection/exaltation.
the Roo
DBF……….What i was referring to was the (I) mention by Jesus was (GOD) the FATHER Speaking Through HIM first person. You seem to think God the Father has a body, then why has no anyone seen him. You example of him walking in the garden as a person visible does not fit scripture that say no one has (EVER) seen GOD. It says they heard the SOUND of Him, they did not seen him as you assert it says. AS Roo has eloquently brought out scripture says (GOD the FATHER) RAISED Jesus from the GRAVE so how could he have raised himself if he were truly dead as He said he was. Have you not read where it say the LORD (IS) the SPIRIT. If your are going to say scripture say something then show us . I will give you scripture that say (NO ONE) has seen GOD at any time. 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, We are told no man can see the face of GOD and Live.
You need to stay with scriptures Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,01:59) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,09:48) Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus: Quote Sorry WJ, this doesn't have so much to do with the unimportant word “today” as it does with the fact that scriptures don't even come close to implying some mystical “begetting” of Jesus.
How about Jonah who said that he cried the “WOMB” of sheol and the Lord heard him (Jonah 2:1-2)? Wouldn't this suggest that Jonah's deliverance from the “womb” of sheol was a “mystical” begetting?Wouldn't this in turn suggest that Jesus' deliverance from sheol was ALSO a “begetting” seeing that Jonah's captivity in the fish (sheol) and his deliverance from the same was a “SIGN” to the Jews?
Mike is clearly disobedient to the word of God. It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.
the Roo
Hi Roo,I missed the debate before.
Could you give Scripture that says:
“It explicitly and unambiguously declares that that Jesus was begotten on the day of His resurrection.”
Does this mean that Jesus didn't exist before his resurrection?
The Professor
Acts 13:32-33:32And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath RAISED UP JESUS again; as it is also WRITTEN in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, TODAY have I begotten thee.
See also:
1. He was decreed to be the Son of God by the resurrection of the dead (Rom. 1:1-4)
2. He was begotten at His exaltation to the right hand of God (Hebrews 1:1-6)
3. He was begotten when he passed through the heavens (Heb. 4:14-5:6)
4. He became the firstbegotten from the dead (Colossians 1:18)
So He was “begotten” at His resurrection/exaltation.
the Roo
Hello Gene,You guys like to keep bringing up the same quote stemming from:Ps 2.7, WHY?
Psa 2:7 “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Who is writing this Psalm? Who is “ME”? David. Had David already been born? Duh, yes. So how could he be begotten “this day” unless if God was talking symbolically or metaphorically?
Now if this Psalm and He 1:5 , Heb 5:5 are referring to Jesus, when was Jesus begotten? (On the first day, as time didn't exist BEFORE Jesus) Col 1:15 So Ps 2 is showing a partial dialog between God and His firstborn, Jesus, on the first day. And imagine that David is privy to the first conversation of God….and recorded it here in Psalm 2. How AWESOME!
Rom 1:4 who was “declared” the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
Gene, by the way you want to take this, God decreed Jesus the son of God because of the resurrection and he was begotten at this point….it says nothing of the kind.
Look at the complete phrase “the son of God WITH POWER BY the resurrection of the dead” demonstrating that he had the “power” over death….where is begotten?
Hbr 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed “heir” of all things, THROUGH WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLD.
When did Jesus exist? At the beginning when God, Thru Jesus made the world.
Hbr 1:6 Again when He brings brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”
This is showing that after Yahshua became the Savior (v3) all the angels would worship him.
Who says that angels only worship God?? This is where it looks like they are being told to worship God's son.
Brings AGAIN the firstborn…..no begotten ocurring here, it was already DONE.
Hbr 5:6 just as He says also in another passage, “YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.”
Why not say that on this day he was begotten a Priest? lol
Literally, Jesus was begotten on TWO occasions:
1-Son of God (firstborn of all creation)
2-Son of Man (born thru the Virgin Mary)Symbolically he obtained the Metaphorical title to what you may be trying to infer….firstborn of the dead. Who were the two dead parents that begot this “dead” son? haha
At least you took some of my advice and quoted Scripture.
Next, try utilizing it in the context it was written.
Or you could cut and paste words from each Scripture and then tell us what it means?? And then you can send us on a wild goose chase so that eventually we will have to explain to you what each verse means.
Why don't you guys want to believe the Bible? Is the Bible promoting these doctrines? Who is promoting these fallacies?
BEGOTTEN and FIRSTBORN used to be such simple concepts until Satan crept in and started to try to confuse and deceive everyone.
Hold fast the word of Truth.
The Professor
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,11:23) DBF……….What i was referring to was the (I) mention by Jesus was (GOD) the FATHER Speaking Through HIM first person. You seem to think God the Father has a body, then why has no anyone seen him. You example of him walking in the garden as a person visible does not fit scripture that say no one has (EVER) seen GOD. It says they heard the SOUND of Him, they did not seen him as you assert it says. AS Roo has eloquently brought out scripture says (GOD the FATHER) RAISED Jesus from the GRAVE so how could he have raised himself if he were truly dead as He said he was. Have you not read where it say the LORD (IS) the SPIRIT. If your are going to say scripture say something then show us . I will give you scripture that say (NO ONE) has seen GOD at any time. 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, We are told no man can see the face of GOD and Live. You need to stay with scriptures Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
Gene,One verse at a time:
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Who is “walking” with man and wife?
Who did they hide from the presence of?YHWH Elohim (LORD God)
Tell me again why God doesn't have a body?
Like you keep correctly saying “IMO”….let's have more Bible and less IMOs, ok?Here is the Bible, read it and believe it.
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,13:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,11:23) DBF……….What i was referring to was the (I) mention by Jesus was (GOD) the FATHER Speaking Through HIM first person. You seem to think God the Father has a body, then why has no anyone seen him. You example of him walking in the garden as a person visible does not fit scripture that say no one has (EVER) seen GOD. It says they heard the SOUND of Him, they did not seen him as you assert it says. AS Roo has eloquently brought out scripture says (GOD the FATHER) RAISED Jesus from the GRAVE so how could he have raised himself if he were truly dead as He said he was. Have you not read where it say the LORD (IS) the SPIRIT. If your are going to say scripture say something then show us . I will give you scripture that say (NO ONE) has seen GOD at any time. 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, We are told no man can see the face of GOD and Live. You need to stay with scriptures Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
Gene,One verse at a time:
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Who is “walking” with man and wife?
Who did they hide from the presence of?YHWH Elohim (LORD God)
Tell me again why God doesn't have a body?
Like you keep correctly saying “IMO”….let's have more Bible and less IMOs, ok?Here is the Bible, read it and believe it.
The Professor
Gene,Next issue: No one has seen God at anytime, etc.
Can you see “Spirit”? No. Therefore the above is true.
Does YHWH have a body? Yes.
How do you reconcile these two truths?
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,13:04) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,13:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,11:23) DBF……….What i was referring to was the (I) mention by Jesus was (GOD) the FATHER Speaking Through HIM first person. You seem to think God the Father has a body, then why has no anyone seen him. You example of him walking in the garden as a person visible does not fit scripture that say no one has (EVER) seen GOD. It says they heard the SOUND of Him, they did not seen him as you assert it says. AS Roo has eloquently brought out scripture says (GOD the FATHER) RAISED Jesus from the GRAVE so how could he have raised himself if he were truly dead as He said he was. Have you not read where it say the LORD (IS) the SPIRIT. If your are going to say scripture say something then show us . I will give you scripture that say (NO ONE) has seen GOD at any time. 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, We are told no man can see the face of GOD and Live. You need to stay with scriptures Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
Gene,One verse at a time:
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Who is “walking” with man and wife?
Who did they hide from the presence of?YHWH Elohim (LORD God)
Tell me again why God doesn't have a body?
Like you keep correctly saying “IMO”….let's have more Bible and less IMOs, ok?Here is the Bible, read it and believe it.
The Professor
Gene,Next issue: No one has seen God at anytime, etc.
Can you see “Spirit”? No. Therefore the above is true.
Does YHWH have a body? Yes.
How do you reconcile these two truths?
The Professor
Oops Gene,Forgot to put the answer:
Elohim (God) consists of two essences, male and female. The male essence is YHWH and is: God, Father, King, Priest, Prophet and has a “physical” body.
The female essence is “Spirit” and consists of: Elohim's Spirit, YHWH's Spirit, Fear of YHWH, Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Counsel, Power….and is spirit (invisible)
1Jo 4:12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.
Who is included in the “no one” category?
Did any of the Apostles, disciples or other people see God? NO.
Did Jesus see God? If you say, “Yes” then that makes 1 John 4:12 a lie because Jesus is included in the category “no one”.
If you say, “No” you make Jesus a liar. Which is true?
Or is the “no one” referring to the people of John's time and not an “absolute”? OR if it is referring to God (Elohim) or Spirit Elohim then that is true because God is Spirit and you can't see Spirit.
And not to leave you in the dark:
1Jo 4:13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,13:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,11:23) DBF……….What i was referring to was the (I) mention by Jesus was (GOD) the FATHER Speaking Through HIM first person. You seem to think God the Father has a body, then why has no anyone seen him. You example of him walking in the garden as a person visible does not fit scripture that say no one has (EVER) seen GOD. It says they heard the SOUND of Him, they did not seen him as you assert it says. AS Roo has eloquently brought out scripture says (GOD the FATHER) RAISED Jesus from the GRAVE so how could he have raised himself if he were truly dead as He said he was. Have you not read where it say the LORD (IS) the SPIRIT. If your are going to say scripture say something then show us . I will give you scripture that say (NO ONE) has seen GOD at any time. 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, We are told no man can see the face of GOD and Live. You need to stay with scriptures Brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
Gene,One verse at a time:
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Who is “walking” with man and wife?
Who did they hide from the presence of?YHWH Elohim (LORD God)
Tell me again why God doesn't have a body?
Like you keep correctly saying “IMO”….let's have more Bible and less IMOs, ok?Here is the Bible, read it and believe it.
The Professor
Gene,You are TOOOOOO funny.
I tried to highlight how God walked with them, etc, and I even put the Scripture in front of you….let's try it again, ok? Too bad I don't know how to put colors and bold, etc.
Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Does it not say “WALKING”? Does a spirit have feet and walks? YHWH is walking, how do we know? By hearing!
HID: How do you hide from the Holy Spirit who is everywhere?
Therefore “presence” demonstrates a “physical” body that was being hidden from.
Mat 3:17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
Act 11:9 “But a voice from heaven answered a second time, 'What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'
If God was speaking to them from Heaven He usually says so as in the above verses.
Now I can understand Jesus' frustration:
Seeing they see not.
Hearing they hear not.
You appear to want to argue for the sake of arguing…. I don't. I do want to see you grow and learn the Bible, though.
Gene, it may seem difficult to understand that thru my written words I am “trying” to bring unity.
Please help me and tell me how I can talk to you to bring unison.
With another person here I've had to refrain from addressing their posts because they confess that they do not believe in the Bible and that it is corrupted. Thus I choose to not waste my time and energy.
If you don't know by now, I try to promote the Bible and only the Bible. I may repeat things because I can't remember to whom I have posted.
We've digressed a bit from the subject but knowing who YHWH, the Father is, helps in discussing born and begotten.
The Professor
DBF……………Haven't you ever heard the term GOD be With you. or Walk with GOD, You are using a saying like that to try to promote GOD the FATHER has a physical body, won't work , trying to divide Him into two essences or parts is not scriptural either . Show Us where any scripture say GOD the FATHER has a physical BODY of any kind. If scripture say no man has ever seen him then you are under obligation to Show where a Physical Bodied God lives and what he looks like. Are trying to make the LORD into a metaphysical being or a (REAL PHYSICAL) Being?. Produce scriptures not conjectures . Professor
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,17:31) DBF……………Haven't you ever heard the term GOD be With you. or Walk with GOD, You are using a saying like that to try to promote GOD the FATHER has a physical body, won't work , trying to divide Him into two essences or parts is not scriptural either . Show Us where any scripture say GOD the FATHER has a physical BODY of any kind. If scripture say no man has ever seen him then you are under obligation to Show where a Physical Bodied God lives and what he looks like. Are trying to make the LORD into a metaphysical being or a (REAL PHYSICAL) Being?. Produce scriptures not conjectures . Professor peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,Gen 1:26 ¶ And GOD (ELOHIM) SAID, Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created Man in his [own] image, in the image of GOD (ELOHIM) created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed THEM, and God said unto THEM, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,……
The Professor
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,17:53) Gene, DBF is who Mike has 'begotten' as his student so don't be surprised at anything!
JA,I doubt it as he doesn't like my Scriptures either.
The Professor
DBF………And image is a reflection of something , not the real thing. Go look a Mirror is that person being reflected a real Body (in) the mirror a real physical person in that Mirror. (NO) It is a reflection of a real Person it is an (IMAGE) not the real thing. WE are made in the (IMAGE) of GOD not a real GOD but to reflect Him through our lives by the spirit he has given us as Jesus Did also.
peace and love……………………..gene
JA……….I have been on this site for going on 5 yrs as i recall, so i am not surprised at anything here brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Mike,
Can you answer me where in Scripture Spirits are said to procreate?
You said that “Jesus created the Angels”. You must then be saying that the Angels are the “Sons of Jesus”, right?
Can you name me a Spirit that has a son? YHVH (ooh, so Jesus must be YHVH, also!)
“What is his name and the name of his son” (Ha – come now – you gonna say that you don't know that that is a Scripture verse because JA doesn't post Scripture – Ha, again – you just don't see it – and you say things about Justaskin because you can't see that JustAskin is a nearly a whole lap ahead of you in the circuit race that you think he is behind you!)
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,18:08) Mike, Can you answer me where in Scripture Spirits are said to procreate?
You said that “Jesus created the Angels”. You must then be saying that the Angels are the “Sons of Jesus”, right?
Can you name me a Spirit that has a son? YHVH (ooh, so Jesus must be YHVH, also!)
“What is his name and the name of his son” (Ha – come now – you gonna say that you don't know that that is a Scripture verse because JA doesn't post Scripture – Ha, again – you just don't see it – and you say things about Justaskin because you can't see that JustAskin is a nearly a whole lap ahead of you in the circuit race that you think he is behind you!)
JA,There were no commandments to procreate like God gave Adam and Eve but as far as them procreating, they did”
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
The Professor
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