- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (david @ Sep. 02 2009,14:01) If there are millions of Catholics who think they're Catholics, but they're not true Catholics,….how do I know you're not one of them? How do I know you are a true Catholic? Is there not an official doctrine/belief on killing other people?
I know how the earliest Christians acted. I know what the Bible says. What does the Catholic church say?
Of course we've thought this through…thoroughly. And over centuries. Before your bunch was ever a twinkle in the devil's eye. Look, I'm not going to argue about these things with close minded people like you.You are scared stiff to engage me on Sola Scriptura.
And you always divert attention away from your embarrasing history and quirky organization.
I don't sense honesty in you.
Quote You are scared stiff to engage me on Sola Scriptura. WHY do you keep saying that?
You do know what sola scriptura is, don't you?
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, “by scripture alone”) is the doctrine that the Bible is the only infallible or inerrant authority for Christian faith, and that it contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. Consequently, Sola Scriptura demands that no doctrine is to be admitted or confessed that is not found directly or logically within Scripture.
So that means no saying “but the pope said…” or “tradition dictates….”
Can you manage such a thing?
Quote Great. So you agree with me. It wasn't the Catholic church who killed these people. It was people who in many cases claimed to be Catholics. –CA
“IN THIS decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer [Hitler].”—The Catholic bishops of Germany, as quoted in The New York Times, September 25, 1939.
And then we have those quotes (which you ignored) from the two sides, one side being a cardinal and one side being an arch bishop, both saying they had God on their sides and both saying to fight for God.
Was the cardinal and bishop therefore not real Catholics?
Found it:
Roman Catholic Cardinal Amette of Paris told soldiers fighting in the French army: “The Almighty God is on our side. . . . God will give us the victory.”
On the opposite side, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Cologne told German soldiers: “God is with us in this fight . . . and he will give us the victory.”
(Quoted in the Belgian newspaper “La Dernière Heure.”)Were these fake Catholics in your opinion?
Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2009,17:06) Quote Great. So you agree with me. It wasn't the Catholic church who killed these people. It was people who in many cases claimed to be Catholics. –CA
“IN THIS decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer [Hitler].”—The Catholic bishops of Germany, as quoted in The New York Times, September 25, 1939.
And then we have those quotes (which you ignored) from the two sides, one side being a cardinal and one side being an arch bishop, both saying they had God on their sides and both saying to fight for God.
Was the cardinal and bishop therefore not real Catholics?
Found it:
Roman Catholic Cardinal Amette of Paris told soldiers fighting in the French army: “The Almighty God is on our side. . . . God will give us the victory.”
On the opposite side, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Cologne told German soldiers: “God is with us in this fight . . . and he will give us the victory.”
(Quoted in the Belgian newspaper “La Dernière Heure.”)Were these fake Catholics in your opinion?
I want everyone reading this to note that David has not ONCE engaged me about his embarrasing history.WHAT A HYPOCRITE! You ignore falsely predicting the end of the world OVER and OVER and OVER again. You and your little Kooaid cult can point all the fingers you want to. But when it's your turn to face the music, you run like cockroaches from the light.
But I will answer here again. Since does not hurt my cause ONE IOTA to admit that bishops and popes have made GRAVE errors in judgment.
If you took time to hear my position, you would know that we do NOT believe that any ONE bishop has the charism of infallibility. Though he does have authority, he also has eternal consequences for any mistakes he might make. And, yes, bishops have made mistakes and sinned gravely.
But don't you think it is UNCANNY that no amount of sin has been able to change the deposit of our faith. It stands like a ROCK in the midst of the winds and waves.
Which is more than I can say for your little castle built upon the sand. You and your little cult will go the way of all of the other heretics who have been caught up in the rebellion of Korah, unless you repent. And I truly hope you do.
I don't with hell on anybody. I love your soul and pray you will repent and find everlasting life instead of the second death.
You're still a relatively new cult and in your short lifespan you have changed your beliefs OVER and OVER and OVER. Here it is for all to see:
Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:
1889 “The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . ” (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).
1891 “With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy” (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).
1894 “The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble” (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).
1897 “Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD” (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
1916 “The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873” (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).
1917 “Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874” (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 “Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).
1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914” (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 “1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge” (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).
1925 “The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year” (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).
1931 “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates” (Vindication, 388, 389).
1939 “The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead” (Salvation, 361).
1941 “Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years” (Children, 10).
1946 “Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972” (They Have Found a Faith, 44).
1966 “Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).
1968 “The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date” (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83). “It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ” (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).
“We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . ” (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). “Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil” (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).
“Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag” (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is “an idolatrous symbol” (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).
A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that “It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . ” (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 04 2009,01:27) You're still a relatively new cult and in your short lifespan you have changed your beliefs OVER and OVER and OVER. Here it is for all to see: Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:
1889 “The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . ” (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).
1891 “With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy” (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).
1894 “The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble” (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).
1897 “Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD” (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
1916 “The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873” (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).
1917 “Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874” (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 “Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).
1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914” (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 “1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge” (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).
1925 “The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year” (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).
1931 “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates” (Vindication, 388, 389).
1939 “The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead” (Salvation, 361).
1941 “Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years” (Children, 10).
1946 “Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972” (They Have Found a Faith, 44).
1966 “Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).
1968 “The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date” (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83). “It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ” (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).
“We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . ” (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). “Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil” (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).
“Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag” (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is “an idolatrous symbol” (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).
A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that “It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . ” (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?
HMMM!I find this one…
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83).
And this one…
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120).
Interesting, since David has been so adament against them!
WJ
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 04 2009,17:27) You're still a relatively new cult and in your short lifespan you have changed your beliefs OVER and OVER and OVER. Here it is for all to see: Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:
1889 “The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . ” (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).
1891 “With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy” (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).
1894 “The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble” (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).
1897 “Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD” (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
1916 “The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873” (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).
1917 “Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874” (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 “Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).
1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914” (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 “1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge” (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).
1925 “The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year” (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).
1931 “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates” (Vindication, 388, 389).
1939 “The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead” (Salvation, 361).
1941 “Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years” (Children, 10).
1946 “Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972” (They Have Found a Faith, 44).
1966 “Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).
1968 “The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date” (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83). “It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ” (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).
“We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . ” (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). “Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil” (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).
“Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag” (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is “an idolatrous symbol” (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).
A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that “It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . ” (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?
Have the JW's changed their minds on the nature of the resurrection too? Years ago JW's taught that the rseurrection was not bodily but spiritual. Recently I have spoken with JW's who say that the resurrection is a bodily resurrection. Have JW's formally revised their view of the resurrection? Or was I speaking with a few on the fringe?thinker
David………Thats the problem with organized religions, but notice non of your accusers are telling you of all their, false teachings and beliefs, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship, the FALSE teachings as the TRINITY, and All the blood shed they have caused through out History even in our present times , as Ireland and other country's testifies to their violent causes. There, (Protestant and Catholics) history are full of blood shed, of true Christians, by the millions. At least the JW's have not advances the cause of wars on the earth as those Hypocrites do , while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 05 2009,03:33) David………Thats the problem with organized religions, but notice non of your accusers are telling you of all their, false teachings and beliefs, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship, the FALSE teachings as the TRINITY, and All the blood shed they have caused through out History even in our present times , as Ireland and other country's testifies to their violent causes. There, (Protestant and Catholics) history are full of blood shed, of true Christians, by the millions. At least the JW's have not advances the cause of wars on the earth as those Hypocrites do , while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMO peace and love…………………..gene
Gene,
In the new covenant age God is worshiped according to the spirit and not according to the letter (John 4). Christmas, Easter and Sunday worship is not prohibited in God's new covenant. A man may worship according to the dictates of his own conscience because he is free in Christ.If you insist on worshiping according to the old covenant way then catch the next flight to Jerusalem. For under the old covenant way worship was centralized in Jerusalem. That's right Gene! If you don't go to Jerusalem to worship you are condemned!
The new covenant age is the age of CONSCIENCE. All men may worship God as they see fit. That you would condemn how others worship proves that you have no idea whatsoever of the nature of the new covenant. Therefore, you, David and CA are ALL the same.
thinker
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 05 2009,03:33) David………Thats the problem with organized religions, but notice non of your accusers are telling you of all their, false teachings and beliefs, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship, the FALSE teachings as the TRINITY, and All the blood shed they have caused through out History even in our present times , as Ireland and other country's testifies to their violent causes. There, (Protestant and Catholics) history are full of blood shed, of true Christians, by the millions. At least the JW's have not advances the cause of wars on the earth as those Hypocrites do , while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMO peace and love…………………..gene
Gene You are so right, I am really so glad that God has called us out of that Church. You know I was born in 1938 and I can remember some things from the war, especially the bombing. And I am glad that did happen. Why? Because if Hitler would have won, my Grandmother and I would not be alive today. My Grandmother was on that so famous list. It is by the grace of God that we survived. My Grandmother had Asthma and so do I. Hitler only wanted blond haired people and healthy ones. All others would have been destroyed. In defence of the Catholic Church at that time, they took in many Jewish people and hid them away. Some survived and others along with the Priest were caught and died in the Gas chamber. The blood shed that the Catholic Church did goes back to the third century. This is what happened in our City, whether other Bishops and Priests did something else, that I don't know. Also my Mother had to sign a paper that she would not have any more Children. That was a horrible time for so many. I pray and hope that will never happen again. I am 71 and glad that my time here on earth is almost over and I can go rest for a time until Christ will come again.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ Sep. 05 2009,03:56) Quote (Gene @ Sep. 05 2009,03:33) David………Thats the problem with organized religions, but notice non of your accusers are telling you of all their, false teachings and beliefs, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship, the FALSE teachings as the TRINITY, and All the blood shed they have caused through out History even in our present times , as Ireland and other country's testifies to their violent causes. There, (Protestant and Catholics) history are full of blood shed, of true Christians, by the millions. At least the JW's have not advances the cause of wars on the earth as those Hypocrites do , while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMO peace and love…………………..gene
Gene You are so right, I am really so glad that God has called us out of that Church. You know I was born in 1938 and I can remember some things from the war, especially the bombing. And I am glad that did happen. Why? Because if Hitler would have won, my Grandmother and I would not be alive today. My Grandmother was on that so famous list. It is by the grace of God that we survived. My Grandmother had Asthma and so do I. Hitler only wanted blond haired people and healthy ones. All others would have been destroyed. In defence of the Catholic Church at that time, they took in many Jewish people and hid them away. Some survived and others along with the Priest were caught and died in the Gas chamber. The blood shed that the Catholic Church did goes back to the third century. This is what happened in our City, whether other Bishops and Priests did something else, that I don't know. Also my Mother had to sign a paper that she would not have any more Children. That was a horrible time for so many. I pray and hope that will never happen again. I am 71 and glad that my time here on earth is almost over and I can go rest for a time until Christ will come again.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene,
I am sincerely sorry you had to experience all that horror. But you did say that some in the Catholic Church helped Jews and hid them. So why blame all? I am not a Catholic. I am just trying to be fair. Gene is not at all a fair minded person. Gene speaks from his emotions and is not a balanced thinker. He ignores that Muslims kill in the name of their monotheism. He has never said anything to our Muslim friend here about Muslims who kill. Anti-trinitarianism has some bloody background too. I am ashamed to admit that even Protestants have killed.Gene is not pro-monotheism. He is just anti-trinitarian and it clearly shows. If Muslims were outside Gene's window killing people by the thousands and trinitarians sentenced one man to death like Calvin did, Gene would go after the trinitarians and give the Muslims a pass because they are anti-trinitarian.
Gene has no objectivity.
thinker
Quote In defence of the Catholic Church at that time, they took in many Jewish people and hid them away. Some survived and others along with the Priest were caught and died in the Gas chamber. Irene,
I think I gained a little more respect for you for being honest.
Yes, you did go on to say that in some distant past the CC was bloody or whatever. But at least you admit to the heroic efforts of many. I encourage you to read the life of Saint Maximilian Kolbe who died in a prison camp for trading places with a man condemned to die.
Quote HMMM! I find this one…
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83).
And this one…
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120).
Interesting, since David has been so adament against them!
WJ
Yes it IS interesting.
You may all disagree with our doctrines. BUT you CANNOT accuse us for flip-flopping on any of them. And THAT is nothing short of miraculous. Especially when we consider fallen human nature.
Quote while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMO Gene,
Maybe you haven't been around very many MANLY men. You don't know the difference between FIGHTING against the lies of hell… and HATE. I don't hate you with any part of my being. What I HATE is Satan and his lies…may he be damned forever and ever with all of his lying devils.
I love your soul and am praying that we will be brothers together in eternity.
God love you.
HiCA,
Traditions are like that.
They cannot change or listen to truth.
But the words of Jesus are spirit and life.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 05 2009,07:09) Quote In defence of the Catholic Church at that time, they took in many Jewish people and hid them away. Some survived and others along with the Priest were caught and died in the Gas chamber. Irene,
I think I gained a little more respect for you for being honest.
Yes, you did go on to say that in some distant past the CC was bloody or whatever. But at least you admit to the heroic efforts of many. I encourage you to read the life of Saint Maximilian Kolbe who died in a prison camp for trading places with a man condemned to die.
There has been good and evil men in all the denominations. This is a self-evident truth which all should understand. Gene however just wants to be childish about it and impute guilt by association.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2009,08:26) Hi CA,
It is the nature of fossils to not change.
This goes fro you too Nick. You won't leave that Catholic doctrine that baptism saves. t8 says that he is against anything that causes division in the body. So why does he allow you to be a moderator?thinker
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 05 2009,07:12) Quote HMMM! I find this one…
“To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83).
And this one…
“There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120).
Interesting, since David has been so adament against them!
WJ
Yes it IS interesting.
You may all disagree with our doctrines. BUT you CANNOT accuse us for flip-flopping on any of them. And THAT is nothing short of miraculous. Especially when we consider fallen human nature.
But the RCC is still old covenant in its doctrine of justification. In this way the RCC is DISOBEDIENT to the gospel.thinker
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
