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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,11:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,11:22) Hi BD,
God through Paul told us that baptism was the new circumcision.[Col]
Acts 16:1-3 (King James Version)Acts 16
1Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:2Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
3Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek
Then why did he “go against God” and circumcize Timothy?
Nick, you are arguing against Christian scriptures. You can't complain in this post about Muhammad or the Quran because the evidence is right in your face and in the scriptures you told me have to be correct, so if you are correct then please admit the hypocrisy at least in this one instance.
“Heaven” , even said that is what this forum is about and why we can't delete posts so we can admit defeat when we are defeated so we can move along.
Hi BD,
To satisfy those who would put a stumbling stone in the path of spreading the gospel and to show that ceremonies or lack of them are not the relevant issues.Judge yourself.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,15:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,11:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,11:22) Hi BD,
God through Paul told us that baptism was the new circumcision.[Col]
Acts 16:1-3 (King James Version)Acts 16
1Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:2Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
3Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek
Then why did he “go against God” and circumcize Timothy?
Nick, you are arguing against Christian scriptures. You can't complain in this post about Muhammad or the Quran because the evidence is right in your face and in the scriptures you told me have to be correct, so if you are correct then please admit the hypocrisy at least in this one instance.
“Heaven” , even said that is what this forum is about and why we can't delete posts so we can admit defeat when we are defeated so we can move along.
Hi BD,
To satisfy those who would put a stumbling stone in the path of spreading the gospel and to show that ceremonies or lack of them are not the relevant issues.Judge yourself.
Paul said he was not trying to please men.For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:9-11Have I made it clear enough or do you need more proof, It's not gonna stop till you wise up.
Hi BD,
You are not wiser than the Spirit of God in Paul.
Paul became as a Jew to win Jews and as a gentile to win gentiles.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,10:50) Hi BD,
You hate God in Paul.
I believe in the words of all the anointed ones of God.You man had no such anointing
You love God in Paul more than God?God said that circumcision was a sign a token IN THE FLESH, Paul did not say God told him any different, did he?
God did say that they should also circumsize their heart but he did not say that circumsizing the heart was a substitute for physical circumcision.
Deuteronomy 10:15-17 (King James Version)
15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Genesis 17:10-12 (King James Version)
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Luke 2:20-22Now if a child conceived of The Holy Spirit is circumcized how is it Paul puts it away by opinion to others?
BD: Lets take a look at the transformation that took place between the old testament physical law and temple worship as compared to the New Testament, born again, re-creation of the mind to spirit!
The law led us up to Christ/Spirit/Jesus!
Circumcision was a token in the flesh as to the real thing that was coming through Jesus. Spirit circumcision of the heart. We must circumcise our hearts to let go of the old and receive the new. Unless one comes as a child with a soft heart and open mind he cannot fathom the spirit. Old/physical/circumcision changed to New/spiritual/circumcision of the heart. Break up the hard ground. If one thinks he knows the truth he can no longer learn.
Mankind was lost in the old testament and unable to find God anymore due to physical rules and laws and rituals that could not connect the mind/spirit of man with God. Many people today are still trying to physically find the Kingdom of God and they are waiting for fulfillment of physical events rather than seeing and perceiving in their hearts and mind the truth.
No longer is there a brick and mortar physical temple. We are the Temple made without hands.
The body of Christ is mankind. God is within. All the words of God are synonymous. God is Allah is God is Christ is Jesus is the words of God is the spirit of God is the truth. In spirit they are all ONE! We must stop haggling about names.
The spirit unites and gathers together. Physical separates and divides.
Spirit heals and creates good. Physical is destine to termination and destruction.
To be Born Again is to re-create your mind with spirit truth. Then one has ears(spirit) to hear and eyes(understanding) that perceive spiritual truth.
Filling ourselves with understanding is enlightenment. As we are enlightened we find ourselves ONE with God and all! IMO Bless all, TKTK
Circumcision was a sign between God and his people, the Israelites, not a token of anything.
Unless you are a Jew, we, the Gentiles have to let go of any thing, because we never had the Law given to us. Paul made it clear, because the Jews thought they had a handle on things, that circumcision of the flesh means nothing now.
Mankind was lost period, even the Israelites to whom God gave the law, were lost. For that matter, mankind is still lost; why do you think we have so many religion and denominations?
As you go on explaining your believes, you set the example of what confusion is.Georg
Hi TK,
The body of Christ is mankind??
When were all joined with the death of Jesus in baptism?[Rom6]you keep saying love only and that christs ransom sacrifice means nothing at all, is vile in itself. that it did nothing and was not needed, yet i've shown you the truth yet you still deny BD. hebrews 10:12 1 peter 3:18 . 1 peter 2:24. your arguement that jesus's teachings don't reflect what man need to do, which has nothig to do with wht was needed for our forgiveness and jesus knew what was to be of him, he did the will of his father without question and requestion and stuborness. but you forget man has not done what god wants that is why we are the way we are and thus god sent his son to fix it. those scriptures i listed are strong and cannot be twisted, if you chose to not listen that is your will, you are the only one that will lead yuorself to the the path you choose its your faith alone
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,04:37) Hi TK,
The body of Christ is mankind??
When were all joined with the death of Jesus in baptism?[Rom6]
Hi TK,
You would join Christ with Belial and the whore?
hmmmbodhitharta wrote:
Quote Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Proverbs 10:11-13That is because of Love not Blood
Jesus chose to die on the cross because he loves each and everyone of us. Those who love evil will choose not to take advantage of the opportunity he provided, by his choice, for them to come out into the light.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2009,08:44) bodhitharta wrote: Quote Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Proverbs 10:11-13That is because of Love not Blood
Jesus chose to die on the cross because he loves each and everyone of us. Those who love evil will choose not to take advantage of the opportunity he provided, by his choice, for them to come out into the light.
right. its up to us to do whats right now that our sin is forgiven, however to downplay or deny that his ransom sacrifice was not needed or important or necessary is plain wrong. just as it was adam & eves own choice we too have a choice in that matter. we are not robots to made to obey never have been. its always been there for us. gods plan for us is still the samse as it was when he started.To all………can any of you explain how the (RIGHTEOUSNESS) of (GOD) was demonstrated by the death of Christ? If you can you will have your answer for the necessity of Jesus' death for our sins. BD, Jesus' death was a demonstration of GOD'S Righteousness scripture says. If no one can explain it I will give my understand on this point, but i will wait to see what some of you think first.
peace and love to you all………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ Nov. 26 2009,11:20) To all………can any of you explain how the (RIGHTEOUSNESS) of (GOD) was demonstrated by the death of Christ? If you can you will have your answer for the necessity of Jesus' death for our sins. BD, Jesus' death was a demonstration of GOD'S Righteousness scripture says. If no one can explain it I will give my understand on this point, but i will wait to see what some of you think first. peace and love to you all………………………gene
i doubt i can, but i'd like to try to join in on it in hopes to learn myself adn open the bible to try to understand. we know that it is one of the attributes in defining gods qualities.also the role he plays are our saviour our deliverer. his faithfulness to his covenants with man that he will not falter in what he has set out to do, his purpose for mankind is still the same as it was adn wil lnot change, what he has proclaimed shall come to pass. . it is gods gift through grace. also it can be used to say” to put things right” to make things right” thats what jesus's ransom sacrifice through gods will for him to do did. it made things right with sin. we are forgiven and have the chance to do whats right and have teh chance to belong in gods kingdom under christs ruleship. we need to worship and praise god spiritually siice things of the flesh will never accomplish that ever. what you think ? thanksQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 25 2009,22:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,10:50) Hi BD,
You hate God in Paul.
I believe in the words of all the anointed ones of God.You man had no such anointing
You love God in Paul more than God?God said that circumcision was a sign a token IN THE FLESH, Paul did not say God told him any different, did he?
God did say that they should also circumsize their heart but he did not say that circumsizing the heart was a substitute for physical circumcision.
Deuteronomy 10:15-17 (King James Version)
15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Genesis 17:10-12 (King James Version)
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Luke 2:20-22Now if a child conceived of The Holy Spirit is circumcized how is it Paul puts it away by opinion to others?
BD: Lets take a look at the transformation that took place between the old testament physical law and temple worship as compared to the New Testament, born again, re-creation of the mind to spirit!
The law led us up to Christ/Spirit/Jesus!
Circumcision was a token in the flesh as to the real thing that was coming through Jesus. Spirit circumcision of the heart. We must circumcise our hearts to let go of the old and receive the new. Unless one comes as a child with a soft heart and open mind he cannot fathom the spirit. Old/physical/circumcision changed to New/spiritual/circumcision of the heart. Break up the hard ground. If one thinks he knows the truth he can no longer learn.
Mankind was lost in the old testament and unable to find God anymore due to physical rules and laws and rituals that could not connect the mind/spirit of man with God. Many people today are still trying to physically find the Kingdom of God and they are waiting for fulfillment of physical events rather than seeing and perceiving in their hearts and mind the truth.
No longer is there a brick and mortar physical temple. We are the Temple made without hands.
The body of Christ is mankind. God is within. All the words of God are synonymous. God is Allah is God is Christ is Jesus is the words of God is the spirit of God is the truth. In spirit they are all ONE! We must stop haggling about names.
The spirit unites and gathers together. Physical separates and divides.
Spirit heals and creates good. Physical is destine to termination and destruction.
To be Born Again is to re-create your mind with spirit truth. Then one has ears(spirit) to hear and eyes(understanding) that perceive spiritual truth.
Filling ourselves with understanding is enlightenment. As we are enlightened we find ourselves ONE with God and all! IMO Bless all, TK
TK,I am actually not opposed to the tone of your post as it is righteous indeed but what is not understood about what I was saying is that Abraham was already spiritually circumcised so God was not teaching “him” anything with physical circumcision.
God really meant what he said and said what he meant, Circumcision was a PHYSICAL TOKEN in the flesh as a sign of the covenant God made with Abraham.
Today the Sabbath, Circumcision and The Passover are SIGNS of a PEOPLE that God has a history with had they thrown out all those tokens anyone today could simply call God a myth.
God meant what he said and any Jew or Arab today bears the TRUTH of GOD in their Flesh.
Hi BD,
So you can happily ignore His Son and the new circumcision of water baptism?[Col]A very hopeful call.
Circumcision saves nobody.[gal6]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,13:21) Hi BD,
So you can happily ignore His Son and the new circumcision of water baptism?[Col]A very hopeful call.
Circumcision saves nobody.[gal6]
GOD SAID:And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Genesis 17:10-12Nick, God said what the purpose was
13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Do you not believe God Himself when he says it is an EVERLASTING COVENANT? If not why believe in EVERLASTING LIFE?
BELIEVE GOD FIRST
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,14:15) Hi BD,
His faithful chosen people will not lose their inheritance.
Who are they?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,14:31) Hi BD,
True Israel.
Are you one with them?
True Israel? Where did you get that from?
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