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hi camellia
according to scriptures he came back on the clouds in 70 ad ;for he fulfilled the prophecy he told his apostles ,about the temple ,
and that all will see him (in the understanding of the fulfillment of that prophecy even those that pierced him (they were still alive at that time )
but that was the end of that age ,now we are in the next age the one that follows the apostles call,
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,Rev 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
Jn 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
Jn 13:35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one anothertrue love does not lie nor deceive or practice falsehood ,
Thanks Terraricca. I do wonder that sometimes.
Hi Ed.
Jesus promised the Father would send the Holy Spirit (John 14:16)
The second Adam became a life giving spirit (1st Cor 15:45).
Jesus said I will come to you (John 14:18)
The Lord is the Spirit (2nd Corinthians 3:17) ?
Is there such thing as bloodless atonement , yes or no?
Hi BD,
No, the wages of sin is death and life is in the blood. (Rom.6:23, Lev.17:11)
“without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins]” (Heb 9:22)“he(Jesus Christ) is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)B’shem
YHVHLeviticus 16:10
But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him and to let him go as a scapegoat into the wilderness.There is no bloodshed here. You really have to understand the true point of what God wants:
“Rescue me from blood-guilt, O God, God of my salvation. 17My Lord, open my lips, that my mouth may declare Your praise. 18For You desire no offering, else I would give it, a burnt offering You do not favor. 19 The offerings of God are a broken spirit, a heart broken and crushed O God, that You will not despise.
(Psalm 51:16-19)
“Sacrifice and burnt offering You have not desired; but my ears You have opened; burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.”
(Psalm 40:7 – 40:6)
For I desire goodness, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt-offerings.”
(Hosea 6:6)
“With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the High God? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? 7Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, Ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8He has shown you, O man, what is good, what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?”
(Micah 6:6-8)
With loving-kindness and truth will iniquity be expiated, and through fear of the Lord one turns away from evil.
(Proverbs 16:6)
Performing charity and justice is preferred by God to a sacrifice.
(Proverbs 21:3)
“Nevertheless, O king, let my advice be agreeable to you. Redeem your error with charity, and your sin through kindness to the poor, so that there will be an extension to your tranquility.”
(Daniel 4:24)
Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, For we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.”
(Hosea 14:2-3)
Once you understand the Higher path you see the foolishness in not believing that God does not need sacrifice.
Hi BD,
Are you trying to find a way that does not require you to be baptised into the death and resurrection of the Son of God?[rom6]
The fact is Nick that Jesus did not come to die for your sins he even said “Not My Will” but most ignore what Jesus actually says
Hi BD,
God is full of mercy.
He makes allowances for others in the beatitudes.
But idolatry, religiousness and self discipline do not constitute another door
He submitted to the will of the Father.
Should we not do the same?
Yes, this is Islam submitting to God in peace, The thing is he did submit to God in peace and on this account he was SAVED:
Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Christians always talk about whether they are saved or not but if you even mention that Jesus was saved they go crazy because they don’t want that to be true because of the implication that they would have to be responsible for their own repentance and righteous living….they need him killed because they are selfish and prefer sacrifice for them instead of Mercy towards Christ Jesus….God knows best
Hi BD,
If you submitted to the will of God you would obey Jesus Christ.
God certainly listened to Jesus His Son.
Salvation is not from the first death but the second, the lake of fire
Hi BD,
Why would you prefer your current master to the Lord Jesus.
He is Lord of all Acts 10.16
Acts 5.31
” He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a prince and a Saviour to grant repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins”
There is no forgivensss outside of the Son.
Hi BD,
In Zech 3 Joshua was clothed in filthy garments till they were removed and he was garbed in festal robes.
Like the prodigal son we can be so clothed in baptism in the robe of the righteousness of the Son.
Otherwise we remain in our filth.
If you submitted to the will of God you would obey Jesus Christ.
God certainly listened to Jesus His Son.
Salvation is not from the first death but the second, the lake of fire
Jesus wasn’t crying and asking to be saved from the second death he was crying to be saved from the murderous plot of the children of Israel in this lifetime and was heard
Why would you prefer your current master to the Lord Jesus.
He is Lord of all Acts 10.16
Acts 5.31
” He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a prince and a Saviour to grant repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins”
There is no forgivensss outside of the Son.
my current and only Master is God Almighty and you are incorrect Jesus is not lord over all:
1 Corinthians 15:27
for “He hath put all things under His feet.” But when He saith “all things” are put under Him,it is manifest that He is excepted, who did put all things under Him.
I worship the one who put all things under his feet and not only his but Mankind
Psalm 8:4-721st Century King James Version (KJ21)
4 what is man that Thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that Thou dost visit him?
5 For Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.
6 Thou hast made him to have dominion over the works of Thy hands; Thou hast put all things under his feet,
I Worship The Utmost High God to whom ALL praise is Due. I honor those whom he has sent, may they forever be blessed and have peace in God Almighty
Leviticus 16:10
But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him and to let him go as a scapegoat into the wilderness.There is no bloodshed here. You really have to understand the true point of what God wants:
Hi BD,
There are “TWO” (2) goats a ram and a bullock, three are killed one is not. But here’s the point of focus for you…
“And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering” (Lev 16:5)One is sacrificed and the other is driven into the desert to die or whatever.
It is not as if the second goat makes it safely away as you seem to be suggesting.The point is: that you are completely ignoring the first goat’s
blood sacrifice for the congregation’s sins (which is the Church)
The first goat clearly represents Jesus’ blood sacrifice for our sinsI might speculate that the second goat represents God reaching out to those held by belial.
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God bless
Ed JThe second goat is the Goat of atonement it is sent out into the wilderness, Just as Jesus was sent into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan after he was Baptized/Anointed to TAKE AWAY the sins of those who believe in him, notice John didn’t say behold the Lamb of God who DIES for the SINS no Jesus is the Scapegoat and he is presented Alive before the LORD GOD.
John was the same as Aaron:
Leviticus 16
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place and the tent of meeting and the altar, he shall present the live goat. 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins. And he shall put them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who is in readiness. 22 The goat shall bear all their iniquities on itself to a remote area, and he shall let the goat go free in the wilderness.
John was the only man suitable to do this:
Matthew 11:11
Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Jesus was Baptized by John not because he sinned nor was he setting an example Jesus was becoming the scapegoat so that whosoever believes in him should nor perish but have everlasting life
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