Bloodless atonement

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  • #794266
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    Is HU part of the full revelation outside of Islam?

    #794267
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    So if your ideas differ from what is revealed in scripture guess who is wrong.

    Your attempts to make scripture fight with itself are pathetic.

    #794269
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    hi BD,

    Scripture predicted the death of Jesus.

    Scripture records the death of Jesus.

    You disagree.

    The choice is easy for us but your attitude surprises.

    The Holy Spirit of God wrote scripture through men and few would take on the Holy Spirit.

    Luke 1:3 it seemed good also to me, having followed from the first after all things exactly, to write to thee in order, most noble Theophilus,

    There is no claim that the Holy Spirit is writing the scripture through men here, is it?

    There is this scripture

    2 Timothy 3: 16 every Writing [is] God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that [is] in righteousness,

    But then there is this scripture:

    Jeremiah 8:8
    How do ye say, We [are] wise, And the law of Jehovah [is] with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.

    Do you see my point this is Hopeless confusion and ambiguousness whereas the Quaran leaves no doubt

    This is the book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;

    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #2)

    #794271
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Bd

    2 peter 1 .20f

    ‘ But know this first of all, that no scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.

    For no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God’

     

    Your man has no such inspiration and that is why you follow him.

    #794272
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi nick

    what is even more funny(troubling really) is that you don’t trust the very same people who assembled the Bible namely the Catholic Church, do you believe the entire bible is divinely inspired if so how do you feel about the fact that there are various canons 73 books in Catholic and 66 books in pentecostal how do you feel about 7 that were not considered inspired by the Pentecostals?

    Here is the thing Nick

    The Quran is 1 single book

    #794273
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Why should we take notice of whatever servants God chooses to use?

    God can raise up children of Abraham from these stones.

    Servants are not relevant compared with God.

    God has used a donkey before today

    #794274
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    One single book not inspired by God.

    Relevant?

    #794275
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Still trying to find division and disharmony in what God does?

    a waste of time

     

    #794276
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    2 Peter 1 Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)

    1 Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who did obtain a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:

    This says that Jesus is God, it says OUR God and Saviour Jesus Christ. What is your interpretation of it because it says that plainly

    #794277
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    What about the 7 book difference nick, were they inspired or not?

    #794278
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    The very same people that declared the trinity valid are the very same people you are trusting to be accurate in what the printed….I just gave you a scripture that directly says Jesus is God, can you admit that?

    #794279
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi BD,

    My faith is in God.

     

    If you had faith in our God and our Saviour Jesus you would understand.

    But your real faith is in little old you.

    #794280
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    If you had the help of the Spirit all these little worries for you could be relieved

    #794281
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    First you attack the trinity then you appeal for faith in the promotors of it?

    Your manipulative ways are becoming rather obvious.

    #794282
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hick

    hi BD,

    My faith is in God.

    If you had faith in our God and our Saviour Jesus you would understand.

    But your real faith is in little old you.

    You just said scripture is not open to private interpretation but then you decided to say “Our God and Our Saviour” Jesus when the scripture clearly said “Our God and Saviour Jesus Christ”

    Is that scripture correct is Jesus your God and Saviour or is their some problem here? You said it’s not open to intepretation but you tried to reinterpret it. So when David brings up this verse how will you explain away the fact that it is calling Jesus, Our God and Saviour?

    #794284
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    And you got confused? Poor you.

    Check the other times such statements occur and things will become clearer.

     

    The Spirit interprets the Spirit’s work

    Seek the Spirit.

    #794288
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    I do not see where you answered my last post. If you did then please direct me to it. Thank you.

    #794337
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    According to islam: muslims are not allowed to be friends with Christians and Jews;
    they are instead commanded to fight them, to force them to the narrowest side
    of the road and to humiliate them and make them feel subdued.

    (1)I doubt you source is Islamic and thus it may be twisted but there may well be a teaching in Islam that the strangers in the land are treated as second class citizens.

    (2)It is an OT teaching and so it is also a Jewish and Christian teaching as well. I do not know any Jews or Christians that practice it. Peter’s dream before he spread the gospel to the house of Cornelius addressed it.

    (3)I do not know if it is taught in Islam as well.

    Hi Kerwin,

    1) Well what you speculate things to be is certainly important here, right?
    2) Irrelevant
    3) Glad to see you admit you do not know!

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #794338
    Ed J
    Participant

    Of course Muslims can be friends with Christians or Jews it is 100% allowed to Marry them and your wife is usually your best friend:

    Why lie BD?

    quran 5,51
    O you who believe! do *NOT* take the Jews and the Christians for friends;
    they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend,
    then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    Is this sura saying something different than what it saying?

    #794340
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    so are you saying that the phrase lays down life for the sheep means

    1. I die for the sheep or
    2. I would die for the sheep

    Hi BD

    1.

    “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” (John 10:11)

    so are you saying that the phrase “giveth his life for the sheep” means

    1. Die for the sheep
    2. dedicate his life to the sheep

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