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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,22:53) Hi t8,
If only folk looked to the one Source, the Father of spirits, they would not wander off into useless speculation.
Nick,
It is only speculating to those without understanding. Those who understand, well…understand and there is no more speculating. When someone is still speculating, they are still without understanding.Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,14:58) t8,
Unity will do and fits the Biblical concept of the oneness of two or more. No need to limit God with number prefixes of bi, tri, quad, etc.You have a unity of more than one right under your roof…you and your wife…the two shall become one.
True, but what you have there is one in unity or one in nature.
You don't have one person. In fact the word person means “per son”.God is one means that he is one being. Being one with God means partaking of his nature and/or being in his will.
In nature there is many, in identity there is one.
For example: In flesh nature there are many men 'adam', but there was only one who in identity was the man (Adam).
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,14:53) Hi t8,
If only folk looked to the one Source, the Father of spirits, they would not wander off into useless speculation.
True.It is in the nature of man to do what the original man did. To stray from the truth.
Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,15:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,22:53) Hi t8,
If only folk looked to the one Source, the Father of spirits, they would not wander off into useless speculation.
Nick,
It is only speculating to those without understanding. Those who understand, well…understand and there is no more speculating. When someone is still speculating, they are still without understanding.
You are right Sis Kathy. Every one here is speculasting on his/her own logics. But no one is dare enough to come out. I don't agree with our brother Nick on blaming others on this.Peace and love to you
AdamQuote (t8 @ June 10 2010,21:44) Except for Adam?
Perhaps your statement is speculation?
Hio brother T8,
Nice to get your response for my post after a long time. You may be right since I search for truth by leaving all my pre-conceived ideas.Peace to you
AdamQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,23:12) Hi LU,
You certainly can lay claim to a very unique understanding but should you boast?
Is it truth?
Nick,
I don't think that I am being boastful because I say that I understand something in a way that you don't. If I find understanding and you don't, is that being boastful. Should I let go of my understanding so that I can be confused to make you feel better? Does my understanding threaten you? It is a good thing for someone to understand something, Nick.If I felt like my understanding was a mis-understanding, I wouldn't be sharing it. In other words, is it truth, well…that is for you to test, isn't it. I do know that I wouldn't purposely mislead you. We are all here working out knowledge and understanding, pursuing it with a passion, it seems. We sharpen each other whether the other person is wrong or right or somewhere in between. We seek truth and develop our personal convictions for which we are each responsible for.
Keep pressing on…
Quote (t8 @ June 10 2010,03:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,14:53) Hi t8,
If only folk looked to the one Source, the Father of spirits, they would not wander off into useless speculation.
True.It is in the nature of man to do what the original man did. To stray from the truth.
t8,
And that is why we test all things.Quote (t8 @ June 10 2010,03:13) Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,14:58) t8,
Unity will do and fits the Biblical concept of the oneness of two or more. No need to limit God with number prefixes of bi, tri, quad, etc.You have a unity of more than one right under your roof…you and your wife…the two shall become one.
True, but what you have there is one in unity or one in nature.
You don't have one person. In fact the word person means “per son”.God is one means that he is one being. Being one with God means partaking of his nature and/or being in his will.
In nature there is many, in identity there is one.
For example: In flesh nature there are many men 'adam', but there was only one who in identity was the man (Adam).
t8,Quote In nature there is many, in identity there is one. There is one adam identified as Adam the first created man.
There is one god identified as the Most High God…the Father.
There is one god identified as the begotten God…the Son.For us there is the Father and the Son, together with the Spirit of both. If the Father wants to present the Lord as one when that oneness is a unity…so be it.
Gen 2:26
Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness.Fine, sometimes God presents a plurality within our authority and sometimes God presents a singularity within our authority. What we do know is that the Father and the Son rule over us. Keep the main thing, the main thing.
Hi LU,
Some manuscripts do speak of a begotten god in Jn1 but it has no supporting verses.
Should the source of his begettal not be your God?
Are you not yet a sister of his?Kathi! There is a lot being said here about what Jesus is, and if He was the Son in the beginning. I belief that Jesus had a beginning and came forth from God the Father, that makes Him the Son of our Heavenly Father. Jesus said that His Father is greater then He, so why then do you put Him on the same level then God…. You do know that there are Scriptures that tell us that there is none else beside the Father. Deut. 4:35 and Deut. 6:4 and John 14:28 Jesus tells us that His Father is greater then He is. Jesus deserves all Honor and Glory as our KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. But worship we should only do to our Father, Jesus is our Mediator between our Heavenly Father and us. I always say when there is more then one Scripture that tell us something that we should go by it….
That is why the translators say our LORD and our Lord. That is a distinct difference…
Do you even realize that you are believing in a half trinity??? And Scripture tells us not to do so, and in vain they do worship me believing in the doctrine of men. You see that is not according to Scripture what you are saying… Yes it is a Godhead, but not in the sense that you are saying. He is the Son of God, literally, by birth or brought forth. There is not even a Scripture that clearly tells us how God brought His Son forth. Just that He did….If I were you I would consider changing my mind…..IreneHey T,
this thread came to mind last night, when you gave me a little insight on what LU believes.
Take care T
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2010,12:04)
martian………Well put , they say Jesus is One of US humans, but treat Him as a GOD , This is the confusion of TRINITARIANS and PREEXISTENCES. They want Jesus to be 100% man and 100% GOD, and OXYMORON. You can be 100% both. IMOQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,15:10) Hi Gene, Why didn't you get back to me on the free will topic?
Anyway, I've heard that 100% man/100% God thing alot. I always laugh because % means “per 100”. How can you be 200 out of only 100?
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike and Gene,This is a point I could not get Francis to knowledge.
When I changed to wording to illustrate the impossibility of it,
he got mad and quit posting to me. He quit posting to you shortly after!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED j………..Martian was a man who understood the truth about Jesus and explained it clearly many times here, He was a Big loses here for the advancement of the truth, and it grieves me to have seen him kicked off the site. Adam was also a seeker for the truth of GOD Here and was kicked off also, Some just leave other are kicked off, it is a sad thing for me to see this happening here. We are all trying to grow in understanding here and when people like Istari and others are kicked off the site because they do not agree with a monitors point of view is quite unsettling here. Even Shimmer is getting discouraged it seems, Now the vultures are circling around Paladin , well sooner or later he will be kicked off or just get discouraged and leave also. This saddens me greately becasue it blocks the advancement of truth here. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
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