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words in the bible sometimes are symbloic and not the actual meaning of the word used. For instance the word (tree) (eat) and ect. when we read where God said do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, what does that really mean. I did a study on it and was quite inlightened. when we look at the word tree for instance what does that mean, i thought about that a long time and reasoned why God used those words and this is what i came up with. A tree is somthing that brings forth or produces fruit from itself. And to eat means to take to ones self like we do when we eat food. So when we put it all together we get what God was saying . He was telling us not take to OURSELVES (eat) of Knowledge of good and evil that is produced from SELF (like a tree produces from itself.) This is just what i came to on this one but there are many word and symbols that i thing would be interesting to discuss, and it would help us all have a better understanding of the bible.
Here's a word that may not be fully understood the word FAITH. The dictionary says it a belief in somthing that cannot be proven and most christians see it that way also, but can we really have true Faith without proof. Does God give real proof of his existance in a persons life. The bible says Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. God cannot be seen, so if we are to have real faith, then we must have real personal proof otherwise it just supositions. And we can only say I suppose there is a real God because thats the way i was taught and thats what the bible says. I maintain that if we don't have real proof we cant have real Faith. Years ago I studied the bible searching for that real proof, i was told about God from my childhood so i asumed there was a God but I didn't know if he was really in my life, so i set out to see by personal challenges and when the evedences came it proved there was a GOD. And i believe all those who God is with have these same proofs in their lives also. I am interested in what you think also…..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 04 2007,06:11) Here's a word that may not be fully understood the word FAITH. The dictionary says it a belief in somthing that cannot be proven and most christians see it that way also, but can we really have true Faith without proof. Does God give real proof of his existance in a persons life. The bible says Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. God cannot be seen, so if we are to have real faith, then we must have real personal proof otherwise it just supositions. And we can only say I suppose there is a real God because thats the way i was taught and thats what the bible says. I maintain that if we don't have real proof we cant have real Faith. Years ago I studied the bible searching for that real proof, i was told about God from my childhood so i asumed there was a God but I didn't know if he was really in my life, so i set out to see by personal challenges and when the evedences came it proved there was a GOD. And i believe all those who God is with have these same proofs in their lives also. I am interested in what you think also…..gene
Most people know the “historical Jesus” but few KNOW Jesus on a personal level. This happens when one is born again and we receive the Holy Spirit unless this happens then one is not born again…just religious!I had a friend for a long time I didn't know he was even a baptist. I spoke to him a few years back and he told me there was nothing wrong with lusting “it's natural” he said. I said yes natural in the flesh but we are to walk according to the Spirit. Nothing else was said he quickly changed the subject. But I was thinking about him because you see all though he was brought up in a church (cut his teeth on a church pew) that preaches “born again” he is NOT. And so is most Christendom. Brings a whoe new meaning to “many are called but few are choosen”.
People get comfortable and leave their salvation to the pastor who was taught by the Harlot. I'm afraid that just won't cut it! “WE” are to seek, not let someone seek for us!
Gen By Faith in Jesus Christ We are saved, not of works of the Law so no one should boast. If we had faith like a mustard seed we could move Mountains. So how small must our Faith be, cause I really do not see anybody move any mountains. That is why it is so important to walk in the Spirit not by the letter of the Law.
Romans 8:11-14
But the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you. He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
verse 12 ” Therefore Brethren we are debtors- not to the flesh.
verse 13 For if we live according to the flesh we will die; but if by the Spirit you put to dead the deeds of the body, you will live.
verse 14 For as many are led by the Spirit of God these are sons of God.So I thank God for given us His Holy Spirit and thank Jesus Christ for coming to earth and die for us, so we can everlasting live.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Im4truth…..> when Jesus said if you have the faith of a grain of mustard seed you (COULD) say. firtst there is some important thing to concider as to what Jesus meant by those words. The way I see this is he meant, if you have faith in God and God wanted to grant you that mericle if you requested or God wanted you to tell the mountain to be moved it
then it could happen, because i believe you or i or Jesus or the apostles could never perform a merical ourselves because all true mericles are performed by God alone.Thats why Jesus used the word (COULD) another words it is contengent upon Gods will or grant because only God could perform it.
Faith seens to be measurable, It says God has given to all a measure of Faith, kind of like to whom much is given much is required.
Remember the story Jesus told about the unjust judge, He said there was a judge in a town who did not fear God nor respect man, and a poor widow came to him for help and he kept putting her of, but she kept comming back and finely he said to himself though i don't fear God nor respect man ill help her lest her continual comming she wares me out. Then Jesus said did you hear what the unjust judge said, and will God not avenge them who cry unto him day and night, will he delay long over then, Then he said I tell you He will avenge them (Speedely) but then he says never the less when the son of man comes will he find Faith on the earth, He seems to be saying God is Giving His Proofs of His existance but for some reason people just go about their way and forget the proofs given and when this happens their Faith deminishes. So it not a matter of proof given its a matter of retaining it.Again Faith the (evidence) of things not seen. And again it says without Faith it inpossible to please God. I think there is a big difference between what most people think is Faith and what real faith is. I believe real Faith has to have real proof not just a supposition……geneto all ….>here is a word spoken more than any other word in religion….(LOVE) can any one give me a simple meanning of it? What does it mean when we say we are to love God, one another, love period. We talk about it all the time so lets define it.
peace and blessings…..geneGen How do you refine Love? If you can give your Life for another like Christ did. If you are persecuted for Christ like some are being in China, that is the ultimate Love that one could show. As far as we are concerned here in the U.S.A. it depends on your circumstances. What can you still do for others? That everybody has to answer, and Love can not be taught it has to be given. It comes out in your speech and action. The only one that has given us Love is our Heavenly Father and Jesus. He has send His only Begotten Son to die for us. He gave us His Holy Spirit. God is Love and those that want to be like Him, should show it in words and especially in deeds. That is the Love you can show to others. What is the first Royal Commandment ” Love God with all of your Heart and with all of your being. To keep His Commandment that He gave us. Not in the letter of the Law, but in the spirit. Do we really talk about it all the time on this site? That has to be refined too. Let us do it from now on, because that is what God wants us to do. Whatever you do, do it with Love. Especially when you discipline your children. That is sometimes hard to do I know, I made many mistake in my younger years when we raised our 4 children, flesh can get in the way. But we have a loving Father that will forgive us when we ask.
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Agape love unconditional love. The giving of one's self no matter how much they were wronged by another.
Christ's love!!!
Im4truth…..for years i struggled with that word because i heard it all the time and never understood it's (simple meaning) so i thought how could i come to a very childlike understanding of the word, and by compairing scripture and how it is used in everyday life it became obivious to me what the simple meaning was. I came to see it is simple (what you hold on to) if you love God you will hold on to Him. I you love your nieghbor you will always try to hang on to them. So when you think about it, its simply what you like because thats what you hang on to. Thats why i believe live comes down to LOVE AND HATE. What you love you keep what you Hate you reject. It says if you love your life (the way you live)you will loose it and if you hate your life you will save it because we will let go of what we hate and we will hold on to what love (keep). Remember when Jesus said that unless we (HATE) our mother, brothers, sisters, and our own lives also. We cannot be his deciple. Why? First notice he did not say hate the person (we are to love the person) but he was talking about hateing their lives . In other words the way they lived. remember when Jesus said he hated the deeds of the Nicolatians, notice he did not say he hated them. No we are to love them Just like we are to love our enimies, but we can hate their deeds. Because what we hate we will let go of but what we love we will keep. peace to you and yours sister……gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2007,08:29) Im4truth…..for years i struggled with that word because i heard it all the time and never understood it's (simple meaning) so i thought how could i come to a very childlike understanding of the word, and by compairing scripture and how it is used in everyday life it became obivious to me what the simple meaning was. I came to see it is simple (what you hold on to) if you love God you will hold on to Him. I you love your nieghbor you will always try to hang on to them. So when you think about it, its simply what you like because thats what you hang on to. Thats why i believe live comes down to LOVE AND HATE. What you love you keep what you Hate you reject. It says if you love your life (the way you live)you will loose it and if you hate your life you will save it because we will let go of what we hate and we will hold on to what love (keep). Remember when Jesus said that unless we (HATE) our mother, brothers, sisters, and our own lives also. We cannot be his deciple. Why? First notice he did not say hate the person (we are to love the person) but he was talking about hateing their lives . In other words the way they lived. remember when Jesus said he hated the deeds of the Nicolatians, notice he did not say he hated them. No we are to love them Just like we are to love our enimies, but we can hate their deeds. Because what we hate we will let go of but what we love we will keep. peace to you and yours sister……gene
Love the sinner hate the sin. Accept the truth spit out the lieQuote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,08:06) Agape love unconditional love. The giving of one's self no matter how much they were wronged by another. Christ's love!!!
Kenrch…..>when i was searching out the true meanning of Love i read about the different words used in the Greek language like agape and there are others. but acqually it made it all more confussing, i mean you had the ,fatherly type of love, the brotherely type, the conditional,the unconditional, and on and on it goes, But while these are types of love they are not the definition of Love.God so LOVED (wanted to keep and hang on to) the world HE GAVE His uniquely begotten son.
if we want to keep and hang on to our neighbors we will automaticly not try to steal, lie, take whats theirs,and ect.why because we want to keep our neighbor.and that is love. It's about what we Keep and what we hate we reject, so it's comes down to this simple thing.
LOVE GOOD AND HATE EVIL peace to you brother…..geneGen Yes hate the Sin, but love the Sinner. That is what Jesus has taught us, that is the unconditional Love that Ken is saying. There are l lot of different actions that can show love. Not only by words.
For instance in a Marriage a couple will say : I love, I love you and have children. But when trials come a long they split. That is not real Love.
Paul has a lot to say about that in Corinth. I think have to look up that scripture. The Love chapter.
Corinth.13:1″ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of Angels, but have not love, I have become like sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
verse 2 ” And though I have the gift of prophecy, and the understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so I could remove mountains, but have not love I am nothing.Verse 4″ Love suffers long and is kind, love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
verse 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil.You do know the rest, I am sure.
Peace and Love Mrs.
hi
I think God just supplies the compassion in your heart, when he needs us to reach others, or a certain person, that he requires us to, he gives a understanding and great compassion, that we may reach where they are
First I guess it’s a subdued will, and end of our works, and a awareness to walking in his spirit moment by moment.
I think when you struggle to have a love for someone that has been faithful in continually hurting and condemning you, then it’s just, all you can find is… I wish to obey you lord, and keep the month far away from returning the curse, that is loving them in obedience to the Lord, that every word you cause them to speck in their blindness, will just pile their sin up so far the lord will have to remove their candle stick from out of this place?
Paul the Apostle gives us an excellent interpretation of “Love”.
1 Cor 13:1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Cr 13:2 If I have {the gift of} prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
1Cr 13:3 And if I give all my possessions to feed {the poor,} and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
1Cr 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind {and} is not jealous; love does not brag {and} is not arrogant,
1Cr 13:5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong {suffered,}
1Cr 13:6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
1Cr 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Cr 13:8 Love never fails; but if {there are gifts of} prophecy, they will be done away; if {there are} tongues, they will cease; if {there is} knowledge, it will be done away.
1Cr 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part;
1Cr 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
1Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
1Cr 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
1Cr 13:13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.God is Love.
1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.Jesus gave us an example of love that we are to follow…
Jn 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Mk 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.Matt 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.Rom 13:18
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Some would say the greatest commandment is the “Sabboth”.
And that to not keep it is partake of the mark of the beast.
They seek to bring men into bondage by being justified by the keeping of the law.
Those who have the Spirit of God know that the Love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost.
Rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.We having the Holy Ghost have no fear of the mark for we have been “sealed” in our forheads with a different mark.
2 Cor 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.The Greek word for “sealed” is ' sphragizo' which means;
1) to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal
a) for security: from Satan
b) since things sealed up are concealed (as the contents of a letter), to hide, keep in silence, keep secret
c) in order to mark a person or a thing
1) to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal or a stamp
2) angels are said to be sealed by God
d) in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thing
1) to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt
a) of a written document
b) to prove one's testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be
Rev 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.The Lord knows them that are his for they have been sealed by his Spirit, and is he able to keep them from the hour of temptation which will come upon the whole world.
For greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world!
1 Jn 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.1 Jn 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.thanks WJ
Even to just alow each one to grow in Love is expectable, day by day, understanding is to depart from evil.
those with the gift, keep it flowing; let it be contagious and easy to catch
I think its something we all desire to understand,
But he who is in need of much grace, receives much, and I think the grace of God is the greatest love evero TO keep extending to others, above anything they understand, it comforts the soul, that they can happily learn knowing God has made no mistake, just keep coming right up to the throne, he's awaits us all
blessingsMat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
*Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;*
That’s it; I don’t really keep an enemies list anymore, maybe a naughty disciple list
The adversary seems to be the set up principalities and forces used
I think for as much destruction as one mouth can possibly do, when it has repented, knowing the grace, and has chastened and subdued the will to Lord, then I think they shall accomplish equally the same exceeding amount of damage as good in and a pleasure to the lord
The angry ones often turn out the greatestAnd What say the men?
Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,11:36) That’s it; I don’t really keep an enemies list anymore, maybe a naughty disciple list
The adversary seems to be the set up principalities and forces used
I think for as much destruction as one mouth can possibly do, when it has repented, knowing the grace, and has chastened and subdued the will to Lord, then I think they shall accomplish equally the same exceeding amount of good in the pleasure of the lord
The angry ones often turn out the greatestAnd What say the men?
we fight NOT against flesh and blood but against the prince of the air in dark places. All heathens don't know they are working for the prince of darkness and even “Christians” are used by the prince of darkness. He appears as the angel of light and is a “master” of deception.Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,11:47) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,11:36) That’s it; I don’t really keep an enemies list anymore, maybe a naughty disciple list
The adversary seems to be the set up principalities and forces used
I think for as much destruction as one mouth can possibly do, when it has repented, knowing the grace, and has chastened and subdued the will to Lord, then I think they shall accomplish equally the same exceeding amount of good in the pleasure of the lord
The angry ones often turn out the greatestAnd What say the men?
we fight NOT against flesh and blood but against the prince of the air in dark places. All heathens don't know they are working for the prince of darkness and even “Christians” are used by the prince of darkness. He appears as the angel of light and is a “master” of deception.
just not sure how you wish me to perceive your post Ken?So if we focus on being innocent to evil, so Satan doses not have any attention, that the power of God be manifested in another soul, or just wipe them for another false angel of light because they arn't in the same place as we may might be?
I think that sort of discernment is to be done by the elect, someone that is manifesting good works of justice and judgement, in which no evil will be able to stay intact, so really its not about attacking and accusing anyone, but using the wisdom of the statues that were given from the set up of the throne, they have the power. and the heart that is blessed with this has no intention of doing evil to a soul, but just loves justice done for the oppressed and poor.
How heathens are used:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
How Christians are deceived then used.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Do Christians sin? Do you think that the master deceiver can deceive a Christian?
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