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- September 28, 2020 at 3:28 am#866430GeneBalthropParticipant
Keras……Do you understand there are two commings gs mentioned in our bible, one is the return of Jesus, to set up the kingdom of God, on this earth, the other is the comming of God Almighty “YEHOVAH”, at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saint’s on this earth. I think you are correctly describing the return of “Yehovah” , God Almighty , that takes place at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s. Anyway it will indeed be the “terrible day of the “LORD” YEHOVAH, GOD ALMIGHTY. just as you have quoted from scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours……gene
September 28, 2020 at 8:55 am#866433kerasParticipantGene, Yes there are two ‘comings’ of the Lord Jesus:
The first, very soon to happen; will be His ‘coming’ in His fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will set the scene for all the rest of the Prophesied things to happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign, seen by every eye, Rev 1:7
He is NOT seen on the Day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Hab 3:4
God the Father will ‘come’ too, after the Millennium, Jesus will hand the kingdom over to Him, 1 Cor 15:24, and God will sit on the Great White Throne to Judge everyone who has ever lived. Only then is immortality conferred to those whose names are found in the Book of Life. Revelation 20:11-15
September 29, 2020 at 9:09 am#866448BereanParticipantHi Keras
THIS IS my view
When Jesus returns, it is for two main things:
1_ Deliver his people who wait for him and who are in distress because of persecution and raise the dead in Christ and all go to heaven with Christ to the dwellings that prepared for them (Daniel 12: 1; Math. 24: 27-31 ; 1 Thess. 4: 14-18)
2- Destroy those who do not know God and who reject his gospel: Rev.14: 18-20; 2 Thess. 1: 5-10;)
The millennium will take place IN HEAVEN just after Jesus returns (Rev. 20: 4) It is a time of judgment by Christ and certain martyrs of those (angels and humans) who will not inherit eternal life. will know why such and such a person will know lost forever.
Following the Millennium, after the destruction of the lost in the lake of fire and brimstone on earth, it will be the creation of new heavens and a new earth where righteousness will dwell (Isaiah 66:22)
This is only a brief summarySeptember 29, 2020 at 5:58 pm#866454kerasParticipantBerean;
Nowhere does the Bible say people will be taken to heaven. Before or at the Return; whats the point\? Jesus has come to reign over the earth and we will be His priests and co-rulers ON EARTH. Revelation 5:6-10
Rev 14:18-20 and 2 Thess 1:6-10 apply to the Sixth Seal event, as does Isaiah 66:15-17…..the wicked peoples destroyed.
An Explanation of the Sixth Seal:
Revelation 6:12-17;
I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7
There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes by tectonic plate movement. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7
The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20
The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermoluminescent reaction with the metallic oxides of the moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a
The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth, this is a known effect of the pressure wave of a CME. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2
The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6
Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.
Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26
They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 – 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30
For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.
This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.
October 2, 2020 at 8:57 am#866508BereanParticipantRevelation 19:11,13,15
Then I saw the sky open, and behold, there appeared a white horse. He who rode it is called Faithful and True, and He judges and fights with righteousness. (…)
His name is The Word of God. (…)
Out of His mouth came a sharp sword, to strike the nations; He will rule them with an iron rod; and He will tread the winepress of the fiery wrath of Almighty God.
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on His return, Jesus will punish the unrepentant who rejected God’s call to salvation.
All the unrepentant will then perish “by the breath of His mouth”, and “by the brightness of His coming” (2 Thessalonians 2: 8).
Revelation 19:17,18,21
And I saw an angel standing in the sun.
And he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that flew through the middle of the sky:
“Come, assemble yourselves together for the great feast of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of warriors, the flesh of the mighty, the flesh of horses and those who ride them, the flesh of all, free and slaves, young and old. ” (…)
[They] were slain with the sword which issued from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse; and all the birds were satisfied with their flesh.
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While the wedding feast of the Lamb is being prepared in heaven, another feast will take place on earth, after the return of Jesus: that of the birds devouring the corpses of the unrepentant.
MILLENNIUM
Before the Millennium: Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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First, let’s look at the events leading up to the Millennium.
As we saw a few moments ago, Jesus must first return before the Millennium begins.
Before the Millennium: Revelation 20: 4
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and for those who had not worshiped the beast and his image, and received the mark. on their forehead and on their hand.
They were born again, and they reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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The second event that must take place before the Millennium begins is the resurrection of the faithful who died in Jesus Christ.
Now, let’s pay close attention to the verses following this passage from Revelation …
Before the Millennium: Revelation 20: 5,6
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.
This is the first resurrection.
Happy and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection!
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We see here that there will be two resurrections:
– the first, that of the righteous in Jesus Christ, will take place at the return of Christ, inaugurating the beginning of the Millennium;
– the second, that of the unjust who rejected Jesus, will occur at the end of the Millennium.
The next two verses demonstrate that the Word of God does teach that there will be two resurrections …
John 5:29
Those who have done good will be resurrected for life, but those who have done evil will be resurrected for judgment.
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Daniel 12: 2
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to eternal life, and others to disgrace, to eternal shame.
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Yes, there will be two resurrections.
Daniel, Jesus and John put them in the same order:
– first the resurrection of the righteous;
– then the resurrection of the unjust.October 2, 2020 at 9:02 am#866509BereanParticipantto follow soon
October 2, 2020 at 9:09 am#866510kerasParticipantBerean; Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear – ONLY the martyrs killed during the Great Trib; the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns, will be brought back to life. NOT made immortal, that awaits the GWT Judgment after the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15….ALL the dead…..
The belief of anyone other that those martyrs being resurrected or receiving immortality before the GWT, is false and cannot happen.
October 2, 2020 at 10:08 am#866511BereanParticipantI will see that tomorrow
October 2, 2020 at 10:25 am#866512ProclaimerParticipantGod the Father will ‘come’ too,
How can God go anywhere if he is an eternal spirit?
Yes he may not be in all and through all yet, but he is invisible and exists inside and outside of his own creation.
October 2, 2020 at 2:52 pm#866517BereanParticipantYes he may not be in all and through all yet, but he is invisible and exists inside and outside of his own creation.
Proclaimer
I believe THAT BY His Spirit, God the Father Can be every where.
earth?
Psalm 139:7-12
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,October 3, 2020 at 12:09 am#866518ProclaimerParticipantYes, the plan is to dwell in all. He cannot dwell with sin though. But the plan has this problem sorted.
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
October 5, 2020 at 8:29 am#866575kerasParticipantI will give the Land to new owners:
Zephaniah 3:1-8 Woe to the place of oppression, filthy and defiled, they heed no warning voice and ignore God’s rebukes. They won’t take correction or place their trust in their Creator. Their leaders have no concern for the people and prophet and priest alike profane the Holy Scriptures.
The people who ‘won’t take correction and trust their Creator’, is the Jewish State of Israel.
The Lord has judged and punished them before, their land laid waste and the towns deserted and He thought: surely now they will fear Me and will accept instruction, but they continue on in their evil deeds and they show no shame for it.
Judah has been punished and exiled before; by Babylon and by Rome. But as Ezekiel 21:14 tells us, there will be a third time.
Therefore: look out for Me, for the Day when I will stand up to witness against you, on the Day that I execute justice upon the nations, for I will pour out My fierce anger and the whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath.
This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations. Prophesied in the Bible over 100 times. Habakkuk 3:12 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +
Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall wipe away your shame for all the transgressions committed in you, for I shall remove all your proud and arrogant citizens, only the humble and peaceful people will remain and those who never practice evil or speak lies, they will settle in the Land and nothing will disturb them.
This is the great Second Exodus of all of God’s people into all of the holy Land. Every faithful Christian: a vast multitude from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24=26, Revelation 7:9 and the amazing story in Psalms 107.
Zephaniah 3:9-10 They will all know a pure language, so everyone will know the true Name of the Lord and will praise Him with one accord. My worshippers, all the righteous people will come from afar to worship the Lord and bring offerings to Him. People from every race, nation and language, all the born again Christian people, will travel there to live, in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, while the rest of the world is ruled by a One World Government. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12
Zephaniah 3:14-17 Daughter of Jerusalem; sing for joy! For the Lord has taken away your punishments and has cast out your enemies. Now the Lord is with you and you need never again fear disaster.
On the Day of the Lord’s wrath; This is the message for My people: Fear not, stand firm in your faith, your God will keep you safe and will rejoice over you.
Ref: REB, CJB, KJV. Some verses condensed and paraphrased.
This chapter of Zephaniah encapsulates the soon to happen end times story.
It tells how Jerusalem, the holy Land is denigrated by its ungodly inhabitants and will rejoice when they are gone. How those enemies of the Lord, the evil neighbors, Jeremiah 12:14, and all who reject the Salvation of Jesus, will be uprooted and gone, then the holy Land resettled by the Lord’s faithful believers. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells it plainly.
Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator….Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses…….All the survivors of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14
…Judah is incurable in their waywardness……I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ….My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?
Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds….on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]
We Christians are told by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, that we should know God’s plans for what will happen in the near future. Zephaniah 3 gives it to us, confirmed by the sequence of Revelation chapters 6-7.
What is presented to you in these scriptures, is God’s Promises to His faithful people, His blessings of peace and prosperity, of joy and happiness, of security and long life, as all who love Him and keep the Commandments; will live in His Land.
It is the prophetic parallel of ancient Israel, where Jesus led the people through the desert and how most of them refused to accept the Promise. 1 Corinthians 10:6-13
Ezekiel 20:34-38 tells how, once again, some of His people will revolt and rebel and they will not be allowed to enter the Land of Israel.
In today’s situation, we have many who have accepted the Gospel, but who have chosen their own beliefs about what God intends to do for His people and during this forthcoming test, 1 Peter 4:12, they may fail to stand firm in their trust that the Lord will protect them. This won’t lose their salvation, but it will be a serious disadvantage, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
As the great chapter of Isaiah 35:1-10, one of the many prophesies that describe the Lord’s faithful Christian people entering the holy Land, says: …no one unclean will go there….The Lord’s people, set free: will enter Zion with shouts of triumph.
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