BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN,

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,14:07)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2012,19:59) there is nothing in scriptures to my knowledge that tells me that building or create a organization,to spread (?)the good news Hi Pierre, Jesus built the organization.  It is called “the Church”.  And we were commissioned by Jesus himself to be his hands and feet, and to spread the good news about God's Kingdom to the ends of the earth. I don't see how the JWs aren't doing exactly that………..and therefore don't see the reason behind this thread.

Mike

my point is not what scriptures are saying it is related to what men does and interpreting those scriptures ,

does God need a organization or help from men to make his message known ,no,but he uses any willing man who wants to do good and serve him ,you know what God told Israel wen they chose to have a king like the other nations,? yes you do ,

and that is my point,Christ is in heaven and so his our Father God can make and bring to the truth anyone he wants to,

it is not all that WILL SAY LORD ,LORD, THAT WILL BE SAVE,and many called on the Lord even at the time of the apostles not all were true believers ,God made the selection it does not matter what group or organization you belong to,also notice that out of all the kings of the earth God as pick the one HE CHOSE not of men election,his church is not on earth only some of his members are,by creating a earthly church are they not competing with the true church of God in heaven
I believe so,

if not why would Christ say the the women;Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

even by those words Christ annul the temple of stone,because he was talking of the new temple were he was the head of,

wish of the apostles and preached to whom did he guided the new convert ? to Christ and his father right ,and they are both in heaven ,so what do you really need to be saved true believers in the truth of God and his son,there is no place in scriptures that it says to build stone churches or organization,this will, created a third entity to serve ,and this is of men and can and his a trap for many ,it does not matter what the denomination name is.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

So then Jesus lied when he told us to be his hands and feet? He lied when he told us to preach the good news of the Kingdom to the ends of the earth?

In your understanding, God and Jesus will draw who they want from heaven, and therefore there is no need for us to speak to anyone about God at all.

Pierre, the JWs are doing EXACTLY what Jesus commissioned us all to do. Yet some people knock them for doing just that.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2012,20:33)

THE LEAVEN OF THE JWS, The jws are preaching another Jesus,and another gospel. This post is not against the members,but against the leaven of the tract society.(the prison warder.) For many have been caught in their trap,and spiritually oppressed; the sheep is in prison but they dont know it. They have been made so drunk with their doctrine; that they can only see what they are told to see. They (the so called elders) the specially chosen by God to interpret scriptures:and establish it in their watch tower,and awake magazines, and that is the whole truth. So,read their magazines instead of the bible.(strange flesh.) The so called elders are the mediators between God and the flock;they have the holy spirit straight from God.Putting Jesus out of position.The truth is; Jesus is the mediator between God and man. They teach that Jesus is michael the arc angel.So it was an angel that died on the cross,an angel that was made flesh?? But God also said to the angels; to worship Jesus in heb.1:6.Are angels suppose to worship an angel?? So they are preaching another Jesus.(an angel jesus). We are not to worship angels.(rev.22:8.9.) They also teach that the kingdom of God started in 1914.thats when Jesus started his kingdom, ruling from heaven,and they only are in that kingdom; (kingdom hall) and the rest are in babylon. They also teach that the coming will be invisible,for Jesus is spirit,and we can not see spirit.So that only means that all the flesh living in paradise for ever; can never see Jesus or God.The bible says otherwise;we will see God face to face,he will dwell amongst us. They also teach that only the chosen elders will be resurrected in spirit,and the rest will be in the flesh living for ever in paradise. And the rest of the world what??destroyed I suppose. They also teach that they dont have anything to do with this world; they dont vote,or salute the flag,or join the armie. BUT THEY STILL ENJOY THE DOLLARS,AND THE NICE CARS,AND HOMES,AND THE FOOD,and goods THAT THE NATIONS PRODUCE.And the bank cards,and credit cards. They also teach that one must do certain hours a week(must put on record) preaching from door to door; working for the lord they say. Yet In luke It says; GO NOT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.(luke10:7.) The phrisees like to put burdens on the people, but they them self dont want to lift a finger. Beware you brothers and sisters,go back to the flesh of Christ,feed on his flesh only. Put down those magazines,they are the leaven,that makes you drunk. It is time to wake up.Go to u tube and check out all the dirty laundry,and it is dark and very,very dirty. Dont take my word for it,just check it out. I hope you will take note. wakeup.

wakeup,

The evidence you have put forth is hearsay evidence. What do the JW's state about there own believes? Can you link to them?

Jesus is not an angel because God did not subject the world to come to an angel.

Who here believes he did?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,15:15)

So then Jesus lied when he told us to be his hands and feet?  He lied when he told us to preach the good news of the Kingdom to the ends of the earth? In your understanding, God and Jesus will draw who they want from heaven, and therefore there is no need for us to speak to anyone about God at all. Pierre, the JWs are doing EXACTLY what Jesus commissioned us all to do.  Yet some people knock them for doing just that.

Mike

in their's and others as well ;

but I understand it this way;wen the printing machine was invented that is wen the publication of the bible start ,it was very popular and so it was sold like sweet cookies,but the understanding and true faith did not came with the printing right ? right,the people were glad to have the bible and the edition company was glad for the profit it bring in ,and now God could do his work,through his word,wen the true believer paid attention to his word,but the printer was paid in full by God ,after all it was the book of God not of the printer,but the printer got what he wants and God got what he wants the spreading of his word,do you understand

wen time goes by,because of the publishing of now many start to print and translated but for a benefit,and soon springs up groups leaders with a view of great potential ,for God ? that is what they said,but again God did let them do it why the spreading of HIS WORD but he payed well those that he uses,
after all it is Gods word not theirs all have received payment for their work,of cause a century or more things are well established,and now names are standing out ,i mean denominations many,many still spreading the word but now have added their own understanding,and so have created separation between all the different denomination,
so witch one is the true church so let me ask you this WITCH IS THE TRUE KING ??AND WITCH IS THE TRUE PRIEST ? AND HOW DO WE HAVE TO WORSHIP THE GOD OF THAT CHURCH,???

and after all things said witch word do we have to follow ?? is not the word of God ? yes SO WERE IS IT THAT THE DENOMINATION CULTURES COMING IN ARE THEY OF MEN OR OF GOD ?? OF MEN RIGHT

Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

THOSE WERE TRUE THEN AND STILL ARE TODAY ;

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Pierre,

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? The JWs, as well as everyone else, will stand or fall by his own master.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,16:19)

Pierre, Who are you to judge someone else's servant?  The JWs, as well as everyone else, will stand or fall by his own master.

Mike

LK 12:1 Under these circumstances, after so many thousands of people had gathered together that they were stepping on one another, He began saying to His disciples first of all, “ Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
LK 13:21 “ It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened.”

THEY ARE NOT ALL CALLED PHARISEES TODAY THEY HAVE OTHER NAMES .
Mt 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

THEIR ARE MANY OF THEM THAT TRAVEL FOR CONVERTS,to joint their house ,

Pierre

[terraricca]

Mike

do not get me wrong ,religion is a men made arrangement to profit a few over the multitude,

there is no godly glory if you do not instruct a person to join God in his heart and so let him go free of bondage only to serve God in faith,

I do not judge another servant I just watch out for the pit fall on the way to God and his son,MANY WILL COME UNDER MY NAME SAYS CHRIST .

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Joining God in your heart is not the way preached by God's servants

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,17:35)

Hi T, Joining God in your heart is not the way preached by God's servants

Nick

first the preaching to spread the gospel,then to the people calling to know more ,then you plant in there heart the seeds of love for God but do not subdue them we all have to be subdue to God's will but teach them in the truth ,but it is their responsibility to take charge of their live ,it is ours (the mature ) to help if we can,it is good to assemble in Christ for the purpose of strengthening each other,and be a servant to each other but this is usually not what happen,

2CO 13:2 I have previously said when present the second time, and though now absent I say in advance to those who have sinned in the past and to all the rest as well, that if I come again I will not spare anyone,

2CO 13:5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?

2CO 13:10 For this reason I am writing these things while absent, so that when present I need not use severity, in accordance with the authority which the Lord gave me for building up and not for tearing down.
2CO 13:11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

2CO 12:11 I have become foolish; you yourselves compelled me. Actually I should have been commended by you, for in no respect was I inferior to the most eminent apostles, even though I am a nobody.
2CO 12:12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.
2CO 12:13 For in what respect were you treated as inferior to the rest of the churches, except that I myself did not become a burden to you? Forgive me this wrong!

2TH 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.
2TH 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you,

teaching and preaching is not the same thing or is it

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You have to plant in season.
We should not cast pearls before swine

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2012,09:01)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2012,20:33) THE LEAVEN OF THE JWS, The jws are preaching another Jesus,and another gospel. This post is not against the members,but against the leaven of the tract society.(the prison warder.) For many have been caught in their trap,and spiritually oppressed; the sheep is in prison but they dont know it. They have been made so drunk with their doctrine; that they can only see what they are told to see. They (the so called elders) the specially chosen by God to interpret scriptures:and establish it in their watch tower,and awake magazines, and that is the whole truth. So,read their magazines instead of the bible.(strange flesh.) The so called elders are the mediators between God and the flock;they have the holy spirit straight from God.Putting Jesus out of position.The truth is; Jesus is the mediator between God and man. They teach that Jesus is michael the arc angel.So it was an angel that died on the cross,an angel that was made flesh?? But God also said to the angels; to worship Jesus in heb.1:6.Are angels suppose to worship an angel?? So they are preaching another Jesus.(an angel jesus). We are not to worship angels.(rev.22:8.9.) They also teach that the kingdom of God started in 1914.thats when Jesus started his kingdom, ruling from heaven,and they only are in that kingdom; (kingdom hall) and the rest are in babylon. They also teach that the coming will be invisible,for Jesus is spirit,and we can not see spirit.So that only means that all the flesh living in paradise for ever; can never see Jesus or God.The bible says otherwise;we will see God face to face,he will dwell amongst us. They also teach that only the chosen elders will be resurrected in spirit,and the rest will be in the flesh living for ever in paradise. And the rest of the world what??destroyed I suppose. They also teach that they dont have anything to do with this world; they dont vote,or salute the flag,or join the armie. BUT THEY STILL ENJOY THE DOLLARS,AND THE NICE CARS,AND HOMES,AND THE FOOD,and goods THAT THE NATIONS PRODUCE.And the bank cards,and credit cards. They also teach that one must do certain hours a week(must put on record) preaching from door to door; working for the lord they say. Yet In luke It says; GO NOT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.(luke10:7.) The phrisees like to put burdens on the people, but they them self dont want to lift a finger. Beware you brothers and sisters,go back to the flesh of Christ,feed on his flesh only. Put down those magazines,they are the leaven,that makes you drunk. It is time to wake up.Go to u tube and check out all the dirty laundry,and it is dark and very,very dirty. Dont take my word for it,just check it out. I hope you will take note. wakeup. wakeup, The evidence you have put forth is hearsay evidence.  What do the JW's state about there own believes?  Can you link to them? Jesus is not an angel because God did not subject the world to come to an angel. Who here believes he did?

Kerwin.

There might be some jws reading this post I just pray that they will take note.
I had some strong discussions with one of the elders of the Jws.
The truth is second to them; their kingdom hall is first.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,18:58)

Hi T, You have to plant in season. We should not cast pearls before swine

Agreed

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

Quote

There might be some jws reading this post I just pray that they will take note. I had some strong discussions with one of the elders of the Jws. The truth is second to them; their kingdom hall is first.

I am more concerned with testing their teachings. There are some here that have either been influenced by them or have similar roots to them.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2012,23:17)

Wakeup, Quote There might be some jws reading this post I just pray that they will take note. I had some strong discussions with one of the elders of the Jws. The truth is second to them; their kingdom hall is first. I am more concerned with testing their teachings.  There are some here that have either been influenced by them or have similar roots to them.

Go to the JW topic

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,08:15)

So then Jesus lied when he told us to be his hands and feet?  He lied when he told us to preach the good news of the Kingdom to the ends of the earth? In your understanding, God and Jesus will draw who they want from heaven, and therefore there is no need for us to speak to anyone about God at all. Pierre, the JWs are doing EXACTLY what Jesus commissioned us all to do.  Yet some people knock them for doing just that.

Mike b.

John 6:44. No man can come to me, except the father which hath send me DRAW HIM.
and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.

The gospel will be preached through out the earth, FOR A WITNESS.(just for a witness).

There is no knowledge today; but knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth.(in the kingdom.)

It is better to do nothing at home,than go out preaching another gospel and another Jesus. Woe to them.

They follow their elders; they tell them what to do and where to go.

Their elders are the specially chosen by God ;they claim they have a direct comunication with God.

God tells them how to interpret scriptures.

IF THAT IS SO; THEN WHY HAVE THEY MADE SO MANY FALSE PREDICTIONS? SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG,BUT THE FLOCK ARE WILLING TO DISREGARD THAT,BECAUSE OF THE LOVE OF THE KINGDOM HALL.

Commandment number one:You shal love the Lord you God with all your soul,with all your heart,with all your strength.

He who loved father, mother, brother sister, more than me ; is not worthy of me. THE TRUTH BEFORE ALL.

wakeup.

JUST ONE WRONG PREDICTION IS ENOUGH TO BE A FALSE TEACHER.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2012,16:17)

Wakeup, Quote There might be some jws reading this post I just pray that they will take note. I had some strong discussions with one of the elders of the Jws. The truth is second to them; their kingdom hall is first. I am more concerned with testing their teachings.  There are some here that have either been influenced by them or have similar roots to them.

Yes Kerwin their teachings; not the person,not the sheep but the org.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

wakeup

their teachings are well known they have spread it all over the world ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,17:43)

wakeup their teachings are well known they have spread it all over the world ,

Pierre.

Their teachings is known to them as the truth,but is it?

The scriptures disagree: They must see this.
They are preaching another gospel.
The gospel of the tract society.
The gospel of the watch tower and the awake magazine.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2012,00:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,17:43) wakeup their teachings are well known they have spread it all over the world , Pierre. Their teachings is known to them as the truth,but is it? The scriptures disagree: They must see this. They are preaching another gospel. The gospel of the tract society. The gospel of the watch tower and the awake magazine. wakeup.

wup

and so what ?

there are over 400 denomination who do exactly the same thing

just to name the big ones;Protestant , Quakers, Catholics,Orthodox,7 day Adventist,Baptist , Mennonites,ect

this is why Christ said 'YOUR WORD GOD IS THE TRUTH'

so stick to it like glue

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,17:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2012,00:51) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,17:43) wakeup their teachings are well known they have spread it all over the world , Pierre. Their teachings is known to them as the truth,but is it? The scriptures disagree: They must see this. They are preaching another gospel. The gospel of the tract society. The gospel of the watch tower and the awake magazine. wakeup. wup and so what ? there are over 400 denomination who do exactly the same thing just to name the big ones;Protestant , Quakers, Catholics,Orthodox,7 day Adventist,Baptist , Mennonites,ect this is why Christ said 'YOUR WORD GOD IS THE TRUTH' so stick to it like glue

Pierre;
we can try to get them out of that prison,that is our job.

wakeup.

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