Before Abraham was, I am.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,21:07)

Hi T, Why go beyond what is written?

Nick

but it is written if you and others can see it ,what can I do about it ,?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Indeed Jesus CHRIST is the Word.
The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us
Filled with the Spirit the man Jesus went about doing good and healing all those oppressed of the devil for God was with him.

acts 10

But men would highlight the flesh?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2012,19:36)

Mike I know nick we have been nose to nose ,but it is answers that are no answers that get to me ,it is like talking to a tree year old,

I agree, Pierre, and told him that very thing the last time he was around.

But what's even worse than the non-answers are the flippant remarks insinuating that the other person is not following scripture – without ever showing where they deviated from the scriptures.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,22:31)

Hi MB, Indeed Jesus CHRIST is the Word. The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us

The WORD was MADE flesh? Or came to be IN someone who was flesh? Which one, Nick?

Also, you didn't answer:
Is the WORD an individual being, that is alive separately from God?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
What does scripture say?

[mikeboll64]

Please answer both questions DIRECTLY, Nick.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
I quoted scripture but you could not accept it?
BEING is an added theological word

We need to stay out of that miasma and stay with the Word

[mikeboll64]

So then because scripture never calls us “human BEINGS”, are we to assume that we are not such?

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, Nick……………if you can.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
If scripture does not say it why bother chasing it?
You only have human wisdom to rely on.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Why do you shout at and bully others?

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,00:37)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,22:31) Hi MB, Indeed Jesus CHRIST is the Word. The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us The WORD was MADE flesh?  Or came to be IN someone who was flesh?  Which one, Nick? Also, you didn't answer: Is the WORD an individual being, that is alive separately from God?

Hi Mike,                                                                  Jn.1:14   And the word was made flesh,and dwelt in us,                                                                                        The Greek word is ev meaning in. The same word used in Jn.1:1 also :2 also :4 also :5.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,11:32)

Hi MB, Why do you shout at and bully others?

Why do you not answer questions, Nick?

Here they are again:

1.  Did the Word BECOME flesh, or did it come to be IN someone who was flesh?  Which one does John 1:14 teach?

2.  Is the WORD an individual being, that is alive separately from God?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2012,12:32)

Hi Mike,                                                                  Jn.1:14   And the word was made flesh,and dwelt in us,                                                                                        The Greek word is ev meaning in.

Yes, one of the meanings is “in”. It also means “with”, “among”, and many other things.

So does it make sense to you that something that was made FLESH dwelt “in” us, or “among” us?

Also, this is besides the point, because the word “en” is not in the first part of the statement, so it can't possibly be saying, “the Word came to be IN flesh”.

Instead, what it says is that the Word BECAME flesh. Now Abe, what exactly was that flesh thing to which John referred? Read verse 15 and compare it to the words said about JESUS in verse 30. Then ask youself: Did John the Baptist say the same exact words about the Word AND about Jesus? Or could they be one and the same?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Must you make scripture salute your logic?

[mikeboll64]

How so, Nick?

Btw, don't you have a few questions waiting on an answer from you? When do you think you might get around to answering the questions that will show your understanding to be flawed?

Oh, now I get it!

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2012,01:30)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,11:32) Hi MB, Why do you shout at and bully others? Why do you not answer questions, Nick? Here they are again: 1.  Did the Word BECOME flesh, or did it come to be IN someone who was flesh?  Which one does John 1:14 teach? 2.  Is the WORD an individual being, that is alive separately from God?

Hi MB,
Scripture does not expect us to accept one verse theology and logic.
Adding logic to one verse led to denominational division.

[mikeboll64]

So, although you CAN answer the first question, because the Greek words are right there for the whole world to see, you choose NOT to answer it because you know it messes up your own man-made doctrine.

I see.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
We know the words and that is not the issue.
Your self appointed status of arbiter of scriptural meaning is.

[mikeboll64]

It takes no arbitration to decypher whether 1:14 says the Word BECAME flesh, or CAME TO BE IN someone who was flesh.

So what's the problem here?  Whatever BECAME flesh also had the glory of God's only begotten.  Who does that sound like?  Whatever BECAME flesh had sandals that John the Baptist was unfit to untie.  Who does that sound like?  (Read verse 30, for the answer is spelled out for you there – no arbitration necessary.)

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
SOUND LIKE logic does not wash.
Treat scripture with more respect.

It is the wisdom of God[lk11]

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