Before Abraham was, I am.

[mikeboll64]

So, back to the thread topic:

Anytime in the OT where Jehovah claimed to BE Jehovah, the Hebrews words were “aniy yhwh”, or “I am I AM”.

Did Jesus ever speak the words “I am I AM”?

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2012,19:05)

mike again, ill answer your next questions if you can read your opinion in heb 1:10 that it refers to the father. if you cant read your opinion, then accept that you are a false teacher and ill give to you the pearls. hahahahahah

boy

Heb 1:1 In the past God * spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he *appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he #had provided purification for sins, he #sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb 1:4 So he # became as much superior to the angels as the name he # has inherited is superior to theirs.
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father’” ?

Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he # will be my Son” ?

Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he * says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Heb 1:7 In speaking of the angels he * says,
“He * makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he * says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

Heb 1:10 He *also says,
“In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Heb 1:11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Heb 1:12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”

Heb 1:13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet” ?
Heb 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Warning to Pay Attention

Heb 2:1 We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.
Heb 2:2 For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,
Heb 2:3 how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.#
Heb 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

now I have placed an asterix *next to HE wen it meant God the father
and a pound key # next to the HE that means Christ

this Hebrew 1;10 works with Prov 8;22-30

so Paul places Christ in the beginning of Gods creation and to be Gods first and all others came to existence through Christ,

Just also supported by Col;1;13-18

this is the way I can see it

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,12:55)

boy………..

   

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,12:55)

Heb 1:10 He *also says, “In the beginning, O Lord…………..

Pierre, the Greek text doesn't even say “He also says”.  This is one of the ploys the Trinitarian translators use to slant readers into thinking the scripture must be about Jesus.

In the Greek, there is only the word “and”.  And about that, it is left out of many verses because of the difference between the language styles.  For example:

Luke 9:36 NETBible
After 121  the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone.

Footnote #121:
121 tn Here καί (and) has not been translated because of differences between Greek and English style.

This is the case in many scriptures.  The Trinitarians don't want us to know this because they want us to think verses 10, 11, and 12 are part of the things God was saying about His Son.  But those verses are really separate from the things God was saying about His Son, and are about God Himself.

(I know that you know the last part of what I said.  I just thought I'd share a little info as to why some translations are worded the way they are.)

[jammin]

terrarica and mike,
i do not need your opinion.
read in verse 10 of heb 1 that it refers to the father and ill answer your next questions. and also , accept that you are a false teacher. hahahah

I DO NOT NEED YOUR OPINION! READ IT IN VERSE 10 THAT IT REFERS TO THE FATHER! CAN YOU READ IT OR NOT???

maybe you need some help. hahahhahah

[jammin]

let me post the verse terrarica

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he * says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

Heb 1:10 He *also says,
“In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Heb 1:11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Heb 1:12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”

the father says to the son in verse 8 – your throne,O GOD! dont you see that?  hahahaha

in verse 10 HE also says to the SON,
you LORD, laid the foundations of the earth and the heaves etc.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2012,02:11)

the father says to the son in verse 8 – your throne,O GOD! dont you see that?  hahahaha

And verse 9 says “your God anointed you”.  

jammin, God Almighty doesn't HAVE a God of His own. Nor is the one anointed BY God the God who did the anointing.  Give it up.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 25 2012,02:11)

let me post the verse terrarica Heb 1:8 But about the Son he * says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” Heb 1:10 He *also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. Heb 1:11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Heb 1:12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.” the father says to the son in verse 8 – your throne,O GOD! dont you see that?  hahahaha in verse 10 HE also says to the SON, you LORD, laid the foundations of the earth and the heaves etc.

hey copier

what did you do with the pound sign??

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,13:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,12:55) boy………..     Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,12:55) Heb 1:10 He *also says, “In the beginning, O Lord………….. Pierre, the Greek text doesn't even say “He also says”.  This is one of the ploys the Trinitarian translators use to slant readers into thinking the scripture must be about Jesus. In the Greek, there is only the word “and”.  And about that, it is left out of many verses because of the difference between the language styles.  For example: Luke 9:36 NETBible After 121  the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. Footnote #121: 121 tn Here καί (and) has not been translated because of differences between Greek and English style. This is the case in many scriptures.  The Trinitarians don't want us to know this because they want us to think verses 10, 11, and 12 are part of the things God was saying about His Son.  But those verses are really separate from the things God was saying about His Son, and are about God Himself. (I know that you know the last part of what I said.  I just thought I'd share a little info as to why some translations are worded the way they are.)

Mike

I will look into that

[terraricca]

Mike

Quote

Pierre, the Greek text doesn't even say “He also says”. This is one of the ploys the Trinitarian translators use to slant readers into thinking the scripture must be about Jesus. In the Greek, there is only the word “and”. And about that, it is left out of many verses because of the difference between the language styles. For example:

I looked at this and to me it seems not to change anything ,because if you refer verse ten to God then Christ is a creation,if not then Christ is the creator ,what you think ??

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Verse 10 IS about God, Pierre.

But the added words “He also says” or “He also says about the Son” make people think verse 10 is about Jesus when it isn't.

Those words aren't in the Greek, and shouldn't be added to scripture to try and SLANT the reader into believing something that isn't true.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2012,19:43)

Verse 10 IS about God, Pierre. But the added words “He also says” or “He also says about the Son” make people think verse 10 is about Jesus when it isn't. Those words aren't in the Greek, and shouldn't be added to scripture to try and SLANT the reader into believing something that isn't true.

Mike

understood ,agree,

Pierre

[jammin]

another opinion from mike.

how many times have i told you about this.

mike where can you read in verse 10 of heb 1 that it refers to the father.

also in verse 8, it's clear that the father says to the Son that he is GOD.

mike, ask for a help. hahaha
im still waiting for your translation to show me in verse 10 that it refers to the father.

   

[jammin]

καί, Σὺ κατ' ἀρχάς, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί:

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

And, Thou, Lord – This is an address to the Son as the Creator, see Hebrews 1:2; for this is implied in laying the foundation of the earth. The heavens, which are the work of his hands, point out his infinite wisdom and skill.

Hebrews 1:10

The Message (MSG)

10-12And again to the Son,
  You, Master, started it all, laid earth's foundations,
     then crafted the stars in the sky.
  Earth and sky will wear out, but not you;

hahahahaha

mike im still waiting for your translation. i do not need your opinion mike.

make your own translation. hahahaha

when are you going to publish your own version mike?
hahahaha

THE MIKEBOLL TRANSLATION (A FALSE TEACHER EDITION)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 25 2012,20:46)

καί, Σὺ κατ' ἀρχάς, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί: Clarke's Commentary on the Bible And, Thou, Lord – This is an address to the Son as the Creator, see Hebrews 1:2; for this is implied in laying the foundation of the earth. The heavens, which are the work of his hands, point out his infinite wisdom and skill. Hebrews 1:10 The Message (MSG) 10-12And again to the Son,   You, Master, started it all, laid earth's foundations,      then crafted the stars in the sky.   Earth and sky will wear out, but not you; hahahahaha mike im still waiting for your translation. i do not need your opinion mike. make your own translation. hahahaha when are you going to publish your own version mike? hahahaha THE MIKEBOLL TRANSLATION (A FALSE TEACHER EDITION) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

boy

considering all the info you have ,it would be in you personal interest that you keep investigate ,but as you say you are certain of what you say ,so it must be true to at the least one person and that person is deffinitly you,

old fast to it ,because this is yours ,and so handel it with care ,

this is not funny ,I do not like mockers and God neither ,because they slander what they do not understand ,

you remind me about that girl that scream after Paul ,so that the demon in her could take a benefit out of it ,

you doing a great useless job on the forum,

do you know why ?

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,14:41)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 25 2012,20:46) καί, Σὺ κατ' ἀρχάς, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί: Clarke's Commentary on the Bible And, Thou, Lord – This is an address to the Son as the Creator, see Hebrews 1:2; for this is implied in laying the foundation of the earth. The heavens, which are the work of his hands, point out his infinite wisdom and skill. Hebrews 1:10 The Message (MSG) 10-12And again to the Son,   You, Master, started it all, laid earth's foundations,      then crafted the stars in the sky.   Earth and sky will wear out, but not you; hahahahaha mike im still waiting for your translation. i do not need your opinion mike. make your own translation. hahahaha when are you going to publish your own version mike? hahahaha THE MIKEBOLL TRANSLATION (A FALSE TEACHER EDITION) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA     boy considering all the info you have ,it would be in you personal interest that you keep investigate ,but as you say you are certain of what you say ,so it must be true to at the least one person and that person is deffinitly you, old fast to it ,because this is yours ,and so handel it with care , this is not funny ,I do not like mockers and God neither ,because they slander what they do not understand , you remind me about that girl that scream after Paul ,so that the demon in her could take a benefit out of it , you doing a great useless job on the forum, do you know why ?

girl,

i do not need your opinion.
read it in verse 10 of heb 1

you are a false teacher. your father is the devil.

if you cant read your opinion in verse 10 then make your own translation.

commentaries also SAY that in heb 1:10  christ laid the foundations of the earth etc

YOU ARE AN ANTI-CHRIST

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 26 2012,00:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,14:41) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 25 2012,20:46) καί, Σὺ κατ' ἀρχάς, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί: Clarke's Commentary on the Bible And, Thou, Lord – This is an address to the Son as the Creator, see Hebrews 1:2; for this is implied in laying the foundation of the earth. The heavens, which are the work of his hands, point out his infinite wisdom and skill. Hebrews 1:10 The Message (MSG) 10-12And again to the Son,   You, Master, started it all, laid earth's foundations,      then crafted the stars in the sky.   Earth and sky will wear out, but not you; hahahahaha mike im still waiting for your translation. i do not need your opinion mike. make your own translation. hahahaha when are you going to publish your own version mike? hahahaha THE MIKEBOLL TRANSLATION (A FALSE TEACHER EDITION) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA     boy considering all the info you have ,it would be in you personal interest that you keep investigate ,but as you say you are certain of what you say ,so it must be true to at the least one person and that person is deffinitly you, old fast to it ,because this is yours ,and so handel it with care , this is not funny ,I do not like mockers and God neither ,because they slander what they do not understand , you remind me about that girl that scream after Paul ,so that the demon in her could take a benefit out of it , you doing a great useless job on the forum, do you know why ? girl, i do not need your opinion. read it in verse 10 of heb 1 you are a false teacher. your father is the devil. if you cant read your opinion in verse 10 then make your own translation. commentaries also SAY that in heb 1:10  christ laid the foundations of the earth etc YOU ARE AN ANTI-CHRIST

you are a waste ,

this is final ,you do not exist to me ,

bye

[jammin]

hahahaha

i know it's hard for you terrarica to prove your belief hahahaha

i laugh bec you are a funny man. hahahahaha

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Pierre reads into the text
and then accuses others of
reading into the text; it is funny, is it not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

pierre does not understand the context.

pls read the commentary i posted a while ago about heb 1:10

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2012,20:39)

also in verse 8, it's clear that the father says to the Son that he is GOD.

And verse 9 speaks about the God OF the one spoken of in verse 8.  

God Almighty doesn't have a God of His own.

jammin, read and learn:

Jesus was begotten BY his God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)
Jesus is a creation OF his God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
Jesus is the Son OF his God. (Matt 16:16)
Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF his God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)
Jesus is the Messiah/Christ/Anointed One OF his God. (Luke 2:11, Acts 2:36)
Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb OF his God. (John 1:29, Rev 7:10)
Jesus is a prophet OF his God. (Luke 4:24, Acts 3:22)
Jesus is an angel/messenger OF his God.  (John 8:28, 12:49, Galatians 4:14, Revelation 22:16)
Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN God and men. (1 Tim 2:5)
Jesus is a Priest OF God. (Heb 5:10)
Jesus is a Servant OF his God. (Acts 4:30)
Jesus obeys his God. (John 8:29, 12:49)
Jesus worships his God. (John 4:22)
Jesus says his God is greater than him, and all. (John 14:28, 10:29)
Jesus says that our God is also his own God. (John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Jesus distinguishes himself as someone other than his God. (John 10:36, 17:3)
Jesus was sent BY his God. (Gal 4:4)
Jesus sits at the right hand OF his God. (Mark 16:19, Acts 2:33)
Jesus rules in the power, authority, and name OF his God. (Micah 5:4, Matt 28:18)
Jesus will hand the reign of the Kingdom back to his own God. (1 Cor 15:24, 28)

That is what the scriptures teach, jammin. Yet, for some odd reason, you are content to teach that Jesus IS the God he is all these things OF.

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