Beelzebub and demons

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,01:44)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Kerwin, you are talking nonsense again. Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? Gene, go write novels to someone else for a while.   You are the ONLY one on this site who believes God and Satan are not beings.   You are the ONLY one on this site that doesn't believe the scripture that tells us angels ARE spirits. You are the ONLY one on this site who doesn't believe in free will. What does that tell you, Gene? Mike………..As i figured you just ignored the whole thing i Wrote because you simply can  not properly respond to it, and use the excuse of a Novel thing to  Just ignore the truth i posted. Good trick, but only you buy into it. Then you proceed to lie about what i say. Where have i said God and Satan are not “beings” I said they are not being as you percieve them like a Man  for instance. They exist in a Spirit state and can enter or leave a person they are as Jesus said God was “A SPIRIT” . Lets face it Mike You do  not believe Jesus or Me when we say GOD was truly “IN” Jesus That is not a Metaphor Mike, but a reality Just ask Thomas who came to finely understand that. You are lagging behind in you understanding of these things. I have quoted so many places where Jesus affirms these “FACTS” and you still refuse to believe Him or Me . Your so-called “many” definitions of the word Spirit is a major stumbling block for you IMO>   And Angels are not Spirit “BEINGS” they are “BEINGS with GOD Made Spirits “in” them  Just as we are. As far as FREEWILL Goes, Show me “one” Scripture that says a man has a So-called “FREEWILL” or a WILL that is FREE  “IN” Him  the key being the word  “IN” . You or no one has produced it yet , why is that Mike if you and everyone else is so right? “O” and Show me where any scripture say angels “ARE” SPIRIT Beings. Because God make their Spirits “IN” them does not make them SPIRITS themselves, now does it MIKE ? Mike i am not the only one who has believe these thing here either.  The ones that did,  got tired of your constant belittlement and left the site , that all. You single handedly have driven more people off this site them anyone  i recall, They only ones you want here are fellow “PREEXISTENCES” ,  Who are just as confused as your are. IMO peace and love…………………………………………..gene

Geneb.

Where does your teachings come from?

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,02:28)

Became is the past tense of the default interpretation of “ginomai”.  “inside the limits of” is one definition of “in”.  After that I just replaced certain words or phrases that mean the same.   The Interlinear reveals that I used the wrong tense for Philippians 2:7 and instead should have used “having become”.  In either case the grammar is correct as far as I can tell.

Okay Kerwin,

Tell me, IN LAYMEN'S TERMS, what we are being taught by, Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity.

I can decypher that “inside the limits of” is an oddball way of saying “within”.  So, with your corrected tense of “became”, your sentence is saying:

Jesus was existing in the form of God, but humbled himself, having become within the likeness of humanity.

Tell me what those words are teaching us about Jesus.  

To me, it STILL says that Jesus was existing OUTSIDE the limits of the likeness of humanity, but then was made to exist INSIDE the limits of the likeness of humanity.  So to me, the teaching is the same – even with your bizarre translation of words.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39)

K Quote In either case the grammar is correct as far as I can tell. 1Co 14:9 Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

You hit that nail right on the head, Pierre.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? Hebrews 9:24 NWT For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us. The word 'person' is not in Hebrews 9:24?   Do added words count for you – like they do for Jammin? And you have not answered my question – so will you please do so?

Ed,

I showed you where the KJV translated the same Greek word as “PERSON” in seven different scriptures.  So you can disapprove with the NWT's translation of “PERSON” in Heb 9:24, but you can't say words were ADDED, nor can you HONESTLY use my post as a comparison to jammin's antics.

And, as you'll notice from the quote boxes above, the first question is to YOU.  Answer the question that I first asked of you, and then I will answer yours.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) How can YOU have a PERSONal relationship with Him if you don't even believe He is a PERSON? Hi Mike, The spirit of the living God, YHVH, Tabernacles in me.

Ed,

This “PERSON” subject is really a non-issue, because the only thing we are arguing about is YOUR understanding that “person” refers ONLY to human beings.

It is clear from the info I posted to you that your view is a minority, since 70% of Americans believe God is a person.  I have told you this before, but I'll say it again:  If YOU want to use the word “entity” for God, the use the word “entity” for God.  But don't try to CORRECT those of us who understand that the word “person” applies to humans, angels, God, and – in the broadest sense of the word – to pets.

Get it Ed?  YOU are free to use the words YOU want to use to define God.  So when WE use the word “person”, just bite your tongue and disagree in your mind – instead of posting erroneous information designed to correct us.  Because it is clear that the FACTS of the matter are against you on this one.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,08:47)

You preach and believe they are persons as we are , But they are not they are Spirits and Spirits are not individual persons as you suppose they are.

Gene, it seems we now agree that God, Satan, and the angels are individual BEINGS.  And since they are all SPIRITS, it means that you FINALLY agree to SPIRIT BEINGS.  That is enough for now.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,08:47)

As far as the Preaching of SEPARATION Goes, you clearly said Jesus was not LIKE WE ARE, over and over

Let's end this “separation” thing once and for all.  Gene, we don't try to SEPARATE Jesus from us, for our hope is that Jesus and His God are one with us – not SEPARATED from us.  What we preach is that Jesus was DIFFERENT from us, and here is the proof:

1.  Jesus had no human father.
2.  Jesus had God Himself as his original and direct Father.
3.  Jesus received the Holy Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE.
4.  Jesus had glory alongside his God before the world began.
5.  All things were created through and for Jesus.
6.  Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of his Father.
7.  Jesus, when he was in human form, claimed to have SEEN God.
8.  Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
9.  Jesus is the Savior of mankind.
10.  Jesus was God's sacrificial Lamb.
11.  Jesus never sinned.

Gene, these are just few off the top of my head.  What I need you to do is tell me which numbers also apply to you as a human being.  And if not ALL of them also apply to YOU, then YOU are DIFFERENT from Jesus.

You must try to remember that the promise never was that Jesus had to be exactly like us.  The promise is that some of us can someday be like him.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,02:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? Hebrews 9:24 NWT For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us. The word 'person' is not in Hebrews 9:24?   Do added words count for you – like they do for Jammin? And you have not answered my question – so will you please do so? Ed, Answer the question that I first asked of you, and then I will answer yours.

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,08:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? Hi Mike, Person     …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Mike?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,14:48)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,02:53) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? Hebrews 9:24 NWT For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us. The word 'person' is not in Hebrews 9:24?   Do added words count for you – like they do for Jammin? And you have not answered my question – so will you please do so? Ed, Answer the question that I first asked of you, and then I will answer yours. Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,08:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”? Hi Mike, Person     …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Mike?

ed

so his my car,and my cell phone

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39) Hi Mike, Person     …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Mike? ed so his my car,and my cell phone

Your car and your cell phone are 'persons'?  

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,16:56)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39) Hi Mike, Person     …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Mike? ed so his my car,and my cell phone     Your car and your cell phone are 'persons'?

ed

Quote

…A dog has personality

and I said my car and my cell phone has personality as well

do you think they are a person

[Ed J]

In what ways do your car and your cell phone have personality?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,10:42)

In what ways do your car and your cell phone have personality?

personality: the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,21:43)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,02:28) Became is the past tense of the default interpretation of “ginomai”.  “inside the limits of” is one definition of “in”.  After that I just replaced certain words or phrases that mean the same.   The Interlinear reveals that I used the wrong tense for Philippians 2:7 and instead should have used “having become”.  In either case the grammar is correct as far as I can tell. Okay Kerwin, Tell me, IN LAYMEN'S TERMS, what we are being taught by, Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity. I can decypher that “inside the limits of” is an oddball way of saying “within”.  So, with your corrected tense of “became”, your sentence is saying: Jesus was existing in the form of God, but humbled himself, having become within the likeness of humanity. Tell me what those words are teaching us about Jesus.   To me, it STILL says that Jesus was existing OUTSIDE the limits of the likeness of humanity, but then was made to exist INSIDE the limits of the likeness of humanity.  So to me, the teaching is the same – even with your bizarre translation of words.

Mike,

My point is that the statements are the same.  I was just plugging in the various definitions for en/in and then test the result to determine if it is both sound and valid for the context of Philippians 2:7.

Using “in” is a shorter way of stating the sentence but it leaves more up to implications and inferences than “within the limits”.

It does not explicitly state what qualities/limits of the likeness of a humanity Jesus has become in.  That knowledge comes from elsewhere.

[terraricca]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,16:56) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:39) Hi Mike, Person     …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Mike? ed so his my car,and my cell phone     Your car and your cell phone are 'persons'?   ed Quote …A dog has personality and I said my car and my cell phone has personality as well do you think they are a person

ed

definitely, NO, those object may more represent my own personality than their own

but to me a being or a person ;are intelligent ,have character of its own,act on its own ,understand of its own ,in a way that his mind can only multiply knowledge with no end to his abilities,WITHIN HIS NATURE.

carries wisdom ,and can perform extream duties ,and tasks ,

NOW WITCH HIS THE CREATION OF GOD THAT CAN DO ALL THIS ON EARTH

AND IN HEAVEN WHO WOULD BE ON THE TOP OF THAT LIST

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

God is noncorporeal.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

To ALL,

God is: “The HolySpirit”.
God is: NOT 'a person'.
God is: NOT 'a being'.
God is: “An Entity”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,09:09)

To ALL, God is: “The HolySpirit”. God is: NOT 'a person'. God is: NOT 'a being'. God is: “An Entity”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

God does exist therefore he has being. He is not a human person. His Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,17:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,09:09) To ALL, God is: “The HolySpirit”. God is: NOT 'a person'. God is: NOT 'a being'. God is: “An Entity”. God bless Ed J Ed, God does exist therefore he has being.   He is not a human person.  His Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Hi Kerwin,

Yes, this particular definition of “being” does fit…
being: the quality or state of having existence

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Kangaroo Jack uses this definition of being to say “a rock” is a being…
being: the qualities that constitute an existent thing

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Therefore everything is a being

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