Babylon and the Beast

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2007,22:40)

Quote (kenrch @ June 02 2007,01:11) Quote (olive @ June 01 2007,15:01) Hey Ken, So how do you Sabbath ? If this is too personal, just let me know. much love Hey Olive, I don't do any work unless it is necessary.  Like if my house is on fire I WILL try to put the fire out.  Sabbath was made for man. I worship God with all that I am, all day.  I'll get my guitar and make a joyful noise   Jehovah loves to be LOVED!  No one keeps Sunday for the Father.  After church they play. But you are right their are no laws for the Sabbath the Sabbath is NOW spiritual.  We worship God in Spirit and truth. If I'm hungry I'll cook myself something to eat.  The apostles picked corn on the Sabbath, surely they knew when the preparation day was why didn't they pick the corn on the sixth day? Yes the Sabbath is personnal it's between you and your Father.  I just follow the Spirit's lead. I had an old friend call me up and asked if I wanted to go to the motorcycle races Saturday.  Of course I explained that Saturday is Father's day     He said What no it isn't I said oh yes it is every Saturday is Father's day.  Then I told him if he were to ask his son to come over on father's day but his son said NO I have to go to the motorcycle races.  How would you feel?  It's far worse not to honor your Spiritual Father on His Day. He gave His only Son just so you would have the privilege to vist with your Father ALL day and not worry about our Worldly duities to survive. I don't adhere to man's idea of what my Father wants me to do on His day, I leave that to the Holy Spirit.  The SDA makes the Sabbath day a slave day and not a delight.  You can't fuel up your automobile on the Sabbath.  You can't travel any further than it takes to get to church and back.  Wonder what they would say when sometimes I'll take a ride in the country on my motorcycle on the Sabbath and enjoy my Father's creation on His day. I asked the SDA “didn't the apostles know when the preparation day was so as NOT to profane the Sabbath?”  I still await an answer. You keep the Sabbath don't you, Olive? Hi Kenrch, So you are personally guided as to how you must keep the sabbath and you recognise that God may show others different things so why do you continue to force your personal discoveries as laws for us? Is that consistent?

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Yes the Sabbath is personnal it's between you and your Father. I just follow the Spirit's lead.

Try reading that post one more time! SEE I said it is between you and your Father that would be MY GOD! How about you!

It's not too late! Come out of her!

IHN&L,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
You say there are no laws for the sabbath but you condemn all who do not follow the laws you make?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2007,09:56)

Hi kenrch, You say there are no laws for the sabbath but you condemn all who do not follow the laws you make?

I didn't make the forth Commandment Nick.  Neither did I create the Sabbath Day AND neither did the POPE!

I condemn nobody.  I said that how you KEEP the Sabbath is between you and the Father.  You are adding to what I wrote.  Does the truth bother you that much.

As far as those who refuse to keep the commandments of God I warn I don't judge.  Judgement day is not here I don't know what the furture holds for you or anyone else.

If you perfer not to obey God then that's your problem it's my job to point out the scriptures that say The true called out ones keep the commandments of God.  Are you keeping the commandments of God?  Do you steal, murder, commit adultery, break the Sabbath.  Do you do any of these things intentionally?  If so then don't you think you should stop.

IHN&L

Ken

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
So you will not continue to judge and condemn those who do not see it quite your way?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2007,14:51)

Hi kenrch, So you will not continue to judge and condemn those who do not see it quite your way?

Nick I haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

I never did tell people HOW to keep the Sabbath. Scriptures says to keep the Sabbath Holy. The law as I have been saying is Spiritual. We are led by the Spirit of how we are to keep the Sabbath that week. Sometimes as I explained I'll go for a motorcycle ride in the country. Other times I'll play my guitar and make a joyful noise all day, My Father really enjoys that! And it is Father's Day Sabbath.

Is it clear now?

It is the command, 2John 6.

IHN&L,

Ken

[IM4Truth]

Hi every one.
I am the new kid on the block, this is my first post. I find the question about the woman on the beast
quite interesting and would like to give you my understanding of it.
Let me beginn with the beast. In the book of Daniel, chapter 7, we read about four beast, and in verse 17 we read that these four beast are four kings, kingdoms. So a beast is a kingdom and the seven heads on this beast repreasent the seven major kingdoms of the bible. I will give their names a little later. The color scarlet is first the color of blood, because that is what all the kingdoms of the world are; violant, bloody, and destructive. Second, it is the color of sin, Is. 1:18; again, that is what all worldly kingdoms are, sinfull and blasphemys.
The woman sitting on the beast is symbolic for a religious organization; just as the saints are the bride of Christ. Notice that she is sitting on the beast, not riding it; that shows she is not in controll of the beast, only influencing it, as all religion has done, influenced their government. And yes, she does represent all false religion. Babylon means confusion, this woman is the mother of confusion, she is also the mother of other confused religion, harlots. She is also drunk with the blood of the saints, the martyrs of Jesus; this tells us that this relgious organization came into being after Christ, and persecuted to death the true believers, as Antichrist did.
In verse 9 we read; “The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”
These seven mountains have nothing to do with the seven hills Rome is build on. Mountain is a metaphor for kingdom, the woman or false religion, not the city Rome, has been sitting on all seven kingdoms. In verse 10 John is told; five are fallen, one is , and one is yet to come. John was given this revelation at the end of the first century, during the Roman rule, “the one that is” or head # 6. The five heads of the beast that are fallen are;
head # 5, the Greeks,
head # 4, the Medo-Persions,
head # 3, the Babylonions,
head # 2, the Assyrians, and
head # 1, the Egyptions.
Now, the ten horns on this beast represent all the nation that will give their power to the beast, or head # 7. Ten is not the number of individuals, it is the number of completion, meaning all included. This head # 7 was “The League of Nations”, and all that belonged to it gave their power to it, were of one mind. It came out of nowhere, the bottomless pit, and did not last long because it failed in its mission, prevent future wars. And out of it came head # 8 which is of the seven, because head # 7 changed only in name, he became “The United Nations”.
The waters on which the woman sits, are of course all the nations that are influenced by her false religion.
I hope this information will help some. I'll be looking for your response.
God bless

[Proclaimer]

Hi IM4Truth.

Thanks for your input.
I do not agree but still it is food for thought.

I think the harlot is a worldly organisation(s) but religious in nature.

Virgins are dressed in white and are awaiting the bridegroom.
Harlots are dressed in purple because they have not waited for the bridegroom but have married or committed spiritual adultery with another.

The woman has made all the world drunk on her wine and we certainly see this when we look at false religion in general and particular the false Church which claims to be the exclusive right one and has also persecuted those who are not of her, or who have opposed her generally speaking or have oppose her false doctrines.

This false church has spawned many daughter churches and they are all founded on the same basic creedal foundation which is not the true foundation we read about in scripture.

This false church was created by the beast out of necessity for that Kingdom to remain intact and was supported by the beast a fitting description for her sitting on the beast.

The spirit that was in Babylon is in her. She just took the Babylonian rituals and traditions and called them Christian. The Trinity, Mother of God, and traditions were taken from Babylon and many with faith in God have been fooled into thinking she is the Church.

But we are called to come out of her so we do not partake of her sins. To come out of her is to repent of her influence in our lives. We need to let go of her doctrines and traditions and let the Spirit of God show us the truth.

[lineon]

Hi People

As we all know the world is in recession every country seems to be effected.

Rev 18:9 “The kings of the earth who had sex with her and lived in luxury with her will cry and mourn over her when they see the smoke rise from her raging fire.

Could this be the U.S.A. [could not is]

Rev 18:11 “The merchants of the earth cry and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo anymore.

Nearly every nation is looking towards the U.S.A.
In one quick swoop Mr. Obama has become my president it seems my well being depends upon his next move.

Rev 18:15 “Frightened by her torture, the merchants who had become rich by selling these things will stand far away. They will cry and mourn,
Rev 18:16 saying, 'How horrible, how horrible for that important city which was wearing fine linen, purple clothes, bright red clothes, gold jewelry, gems, and pearls.
Rev 18:17 In one moment all this wealth has been destroyed!' Every ship's captain, everyone who traveled by ship, sailors, and everyone who made their living from the sea stood far away.

The U.S.A. has so much influence around the world, so much so that it has influenced the intire world. Without the U.S.A. we would never be where we are now cars, computers, the web, religion, entertainment etc. etc. etc.

The whole world reveled in this influence.

Rev 18:3 All the nations fell because of the wine of her sexual sins. The kings of the earth had sex with her. Her luxurious wealth has made the merchants of the earth rich.”

You America have my best wishes,
I send them to you
With the thought of our Lord in mind.

May you come out of your predicament
With flying colours
And may your talents be shared amongst us again.

Lineon

[942767]

Quote (lineon @ Feb. 07 2009,14:17)

Hi People As we all know the world is in recession every country seems to be effected. Rev 18:9  “The kings of the earth who had sex with her and lived in luxury with her will cry and mourn over her when they see the smoke rise from her raging fire. Could this be the U.S.A. [could not is] Rev 18:11  “The merchants of the earth cry and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo anymore. Nearly every nation is looking towards the U.S.A. In one quick swoop Mr. Obama has become my president it seems my well being depends upon his next move. Rev 18:15  “Frightened by her torture, the merchants who had become rich by selling these things will stand far away. They will cry and mourn, Rev 18:16  saying, 'How horrible, how horrible for that important city which was wearing fine linen, purple clothes, bright red clothes, gold jewelry, gems, and pearls. Rev 18:17  In one moment all this wealth has been destroyed!' Every ship's captain, everyone who traveled by ship, sailors, and everyone who made their living from the sea stood far away. The U.S.A. has so much influence around the world, so much so that it has influenced the intire world. Without the U.S.A. we would never be where we are now cars, computers, the web, religion, entertainment etc. etc. etc. The whole world reveled in this influence.   Rev 18:3  All the nations fell because of the wine of her sexual sins. The kings of the earth had sex with her. Her luxurious wealth has made the merchants of the earth rich.” You America have my best wishes, I send them to you With the thought of our Lord in mind. May you come out of your predicament With flying colours And may your talents be shared amongst us again. Lineon

Hi lineon:

My understanding is that Babylon are those who have professed to be Christians and have lived their lives in luxury while the work of the gospel and the relieving of those who are oppressed goes undone. God is calling his people out of that life style.

Many thought they were on easy street because of their retirement accounts, but suddenly, all that is gone.

God has promised to take care of our needs if we obey him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[lineon]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 07 2009,05:57)

Quote (lineon @ Feb. 07 2009,14:17) Hi People As we all know the world is in recession every country seems to be effected. Rev 18:9  “The kings of the earth who had sex with her and lived in luxury with her will cry and mourn over her when they see the smoke rise from her raging fire. Could this be the U.S.A. [could not is] Rev 18:11  “The merchants of the earth cry and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo anymore. Nearly every nation is looking towards the U.S.A. In one quick swoop Mr. Obama has become my president it seems my well being depends upon his next move. Rev 18:15  “Frightened by her torture, the merchants who had become rich by selling these things will stand far away. They will cry and mourn, Rev 18:16  saying, 'How horrible, how horrible for that important city which was wearing fine linen, purple clothes, bright red clothes, gold jewelry, gems, and pearls. Rev 18:17  In one moment all this wealth has been destroyed!' Every ship's captain, everyone who traveled by ship, sailors, and everyone who made their living from the sea stood far away. The U.S.A. has so much influence around the world, so much so that it has influenced the intire world. Without the U.S.A. we would never be where we are now cars, computers, the web, religion, entertainment etc. etc. etc. The whole world reveled in this influence.   Rev 18:3  All the nations fell because of the wine of her sexual sins. The kings of the earth had sex with her. Her luxurious wealth has made the merchants of the earth rich.” You America have my best wishes, I send them to you With the thought of our Lord in mind. May you come out of your predicament With flying colours And may your talents be shared amongst us again. Lineon Hi lineon: My understanding is that Babylon are those who have professed to be Christians and have lived their lives in luxury while the work of the gospel and the relieving of those who are oppressed goes undone.  God is calling his people out of that life style. Many thought they were on easy street because of their retirement accounts, but suddenly, all that is gone.   God has promised to take care of our needs if we obey him. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi 942767

I agree 'Babylon' is the stuff we should avoid and disregard from our make up, we should clothe ourselves in the armour of Christ.

Eph 6:13 For this reason, take up all the armor that God supplies. Then you will be able to take a stand during these evil days. Once you have overcome all obstacles, you will be able to stand your ground.
Eph 6:14 So then, take your stand! Fasten truth around your waist like a belt. Put on God's approval as your breastplate.
Eph 6:15 Put on your shoes so that you are ready to spread the Good News that gives peace.
Eph 6:16 In addition to all these, take the Christian faith as your shield. With it you can put out all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
Eph 6:17 Also take salvation as your helmet and the word of God as the sword that the Spirit supplies.
Eph 6:18 Pray in the Spirit in every situation. Use every kind of prayer and request there is. For the same reason be alert. Use every kind of effort and make every kind of request for all of God's people.

The 'armour' of God
Is ours for the taking.

There is no need to stretch the truth,
The 'armour' will be a perfect fit.

So perfect in fact
That the truth is our salvation
In this world of untruths.
Be strong in Spirit.

Lineon

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