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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2012,03:41) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,05:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2012,11:06) If you can't find support for your claim that “el” means “almighty”, then just be a man about it and admit it, okay?
Hi Mike,1) I have shown you, but you reject it.
I've only seen the one definition, Ed. And that definition doesn't say the word “el” actually MEANS “almighty” – like you seem to think.Please show me A DIFFERENT definition that supports YOUR understanding of the first one.
Hi Mike,אל is the name for God as the Almighty. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
It's funny how you do all this just to try to make Jesus into a god.
There is only one “God”, Mike, and Jesus is his son – Son of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
The link you posted contained a lot of info. Would you be so kind as to post the words contained therein that say the Hebrew word “el” has as one of it's DEFINITIONS “almighty”?
Also………….. Who is the “mighty god” refered to in Isaiah 9:6?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2012,11:40) Ed, Who is the “mighty god” refered to in Isaiah 9:6?
Hi Mike,You mean “who is the mighty mighy one”, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
You really should try to learn some Hebrew,
it would help your understanding of Scripture.God is designated as אל Ale, the Almighty; in the earliest ages,
it was combined with the word שדי, thus אל שדי Ale Shadday,
the Almighty Preserver of all things. (Link)The Hebrews knew God as the preserver, but he was going
to be known as their father (this is what God willed to be). (See Ex.6:3 and Ex.3:14) …”I WILL BE what I WILL BE” has sent you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,05:42) God is designated as אל Ale, the Almighty; in the earliest ages,
it was combined with the word שדי, thus אל שדי Ale Shadday,
the Almighty Preserver of all things.
Your source is inaccurate. Otherwise EVERY use of the word “Ale” would refer to “the Almighty”. Nor does the Hebrew word “shaddai” have anything to do with “preserving”. The COMBINATION of “el” and “shaddai” mean “God Almighty”, Ed.Your source goes on to say:
3. אלוהEloah, and with a plural termination אלהיםElohim. The singular form is only employed in poetical passages; the plural, however, is by far the most frequent. The real meaning of this word is similar to the Arabic Allah: the One to whom prayers should be offered…………5. אליון (Elyone) the Most High, i. e. He who rules the whole universe.
Tell me how “el” already means “almighty”, but “eloah” does not.
Tell me how “el” already means “almighty”, but “elyone” means “Most High”.Ed, the point is that these other words WOULD NOT BE NEEDED if “el”, in and of itself, ALREADY MEANT “almighty”.
And if “el”, in and of itself, already means “almighty”, then it would ALWAYS mean “almighty” – even when used of Deborah, etc.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,05:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2012,11:40) Ed, Who is the “mighty god” refered to in Isaiah 9:6?
Hi Mike,You mean “who is the mighty mighy one”, right?
How does your precious KJV translate 9:6, Ed?
Is it also “funny how [they] do all this just to try to make Jesus into a god”?
My motives are to speak according to scripture, despite my own personal thoughts about what should be the truth.
And in scripture, Jesus is called a god, plain and simple. So don't speak to me about how I “try to make Jesus into a god”, Ed. I'm only going along with what the scriptures teach.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,04:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,05:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2012,11:40) Ed, Who is the “mighty god” refered to in Isaiah 9:6?
Hi Mike,You mean “who is the mighty mighy one”, right?
How does your precious KJV translate 9:6, Ed?Is it also “funny how [they] do all this just to try to make Jesus into a god”?
My motives are to speak according to scripture, despite my own personal thoughts about what should be the truth.
And in scripture, Jesus is called a god, plain and simple. So don't speak to me about how I “try to make Jesus into a god”, Ed. I'm only going along with what the scriptures teach.
Hi Mike,But Scripture doesn't teach that, only you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,12:22) Hi Mike, But Scripture doesn't teach that, only you.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Am I the one who wrote this, Ed?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,05:27) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,12:22) Hi Mike, But Scripture doesn't teach that, only you.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Am I the one who wrote this, Ed?
Hi Mike,Do you believe Jesus is the everlasting father?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNot “THE” everlasting father, but yes, an everlasting father.
From NETNotes:
This title must not be taken in an anachronistic Trinitarian sense. (To do so would be theologically problematic, for the “Son” is the messianic king and is distinct in his person from God the “Father.”) Rather, in its original context the title pictures the king as the protector of his people. For a similar use of “father” see Isa 22:21 and Job 29:16. This figurative, idiomatic use of “father” is not limited to the Bible.They then go on to list other sources where a “protector of the people” is called a “father of the people”. But read the two scriptures they listed, and then you may understand. Also, you could read Gen 45:8 in your KJV – for “father” has a similar meaning there.
After you read those verses, let me know if you understand this use of the word “father” in the Hebrew culture.
Then stop diverting from the point in question, and just answer me about whether or not Jesus is called “god” in your AKJV. Well………….IS HE?
Hi Mike,
Isaiah 9:6 says “his name shall be called…” .
I call his name “The Prince of Peace”.
You are calling his name 'a mighty god'.
WJ is calling his name “The Everlasting Father”.Calling someone's name something does not necessary mean that they are that.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,09:49) stop diverting from the point in question, and just answer me about whether or not Jesus is called “god” in your AKJV. Well………….IS HE?
Hi Mike,Nope, his name is called “a mighty EL” – and that means “a mighty mighty one” remember.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReally Ed? In your KJV Bible, Jesus is called “mighty EL”?
You haven't yet learned how to lose with dignity, have you?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,10:44) Really Ed? In your KJV Bible, Jesus is called “mighty EL”? You haven't yet learned how to lose with dignity, have you?
What did I loose?Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,17:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,10:44) Really Ed? In your KJV Bible, Jesus is called “mighty EL”? You haven't yet learned how to lose with dignity, have you?
What did I loose?
EDDYyou would never know
Ed, from the first post on this page:
After you read those verses, let me know if you understand this use of the word “father” in the Hebrew culture.
Do you?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2012,04:48) Ed, from the first post on this page: After you read those verses, let me know if you understand this use of the word “father” in the Hebrew culture.
Do you?
Hi Mike, yes I do.אָב (ab): Short Definition: father, A primitive word; father, in a literal and immediate,
or figurative and remote application) — chief, (fore-)father(-less), X patrimony, principal. Compare names in “Abi-“.1. Father in the literal sense.
2. Father in the figurative sense of chief or principal of a thingIn English we might say: Orville Wright was the father (Def#2) of flight.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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