As indeed there are many gods………..

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

If you have troubles figuring out from context which “mighty one” is meant in any particular scripture, just ask me for help. With the exception of a few instances where it is unclear from the context, I will be able to tell you if the mighty one in question is Jehovah or not.

Just ask, and I will help you, okay?

Have you considered that your scriptures don't actually say, “the Almighty”? They just say “el”. So it is CONTEXT that tells us the “el” in quesion is Jehovah. And then, from OTHER SCRIPTURES, we can know that this particular el Jehovah is the Almighty El – because we are told so with DIFFERENT HEBREW WORDS.

Come on Ed. Just concede the point already. You are only embarassing yourself here.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Michael: who is like “the Almighty” or who is like 'a mighty one'?
Ezekiel: “The Almighty” will strengthen or 'a mighty one' will strengthen?

I could go on, but these examples are enough to prove my point.

There are many words that have more than one meaning, “EL” is one of them…

Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty
(but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Compare names in “-el.”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 07 2012,03:47)

Hi Mike, Michael: who is like “the Almighty” or who is like 'a mighty one'? Ezekiel: “The Almighty” will strengthen or 'a mighty one' will strengthen? I could go on, but these examples are enough to prove my point. There are many words that have more than one meaning, “EL” is one of them… Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed

were is that Michael the “ALMIGHTY”

Da 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Da 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Da 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,03:47)

Michael: who is like “the Almighty” or who is like 'a mighty one'?

Ed,

Why do YOU keep bringing up more points when you haven't even attempted to address MY points from my last few posts?

Have you found a SUPPORTING dictionary to say “el” means “almighty” yet?  (Because the one you keep using surely doesn't say that.)

Have you found anywhere in scripture where “el” is translated as “almighty” yet?  (Because there are places where it is translated as “mighty”.)

Anyway, your newest point is similar.  Do you know that the highest Canaanite God was also named “El”?  So if the “Michael” in question was named by a Hebrew woman who worshiped the CANAANITE GOD “EL”, then would the name STILL mean “who is like the ALMIGHTY” – even though the El referenced was the Canaanite God?

And why would you compare “THE Almighty” with “A mighty one”?  

The truth is somewhere in between, Ed.  The name “Michael” means “who is like the mighty one”.  And the “mighty one” who is referenced would depend on who the one who named the child “Michael” thought was their “mighty one/god”.

If the “el” referenced was Jehovah, the name would mean, “who is like the mighty one” –  and would have a sub-meaning of: “who is like Jehovah”.  If the “el” referenced was the Canaanite God “EL”, then then name would mean, “who is like the mighty one” – and would have a sub-meaning of: “who is like El, the Canaanite God”.

Ed, the bottom line is that, either way, the name “Michael” still means, “who is like the mighty one”.  

The word “el” never has the MEANING of “almighty”, although sometimes the word REFERS TO the Almighty Creator of the universe.  If the word MEANT “almighty”, then the Hebrews wouldn't ever need to add the word “shaddai” to the word “el” when referring to Jehovah, would they?  (Btw, that's ANOTHER of my points that you have yet to address.)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,11:34)

The word “el” never has the MEANING of “almighty”

Hi Mike,

You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that “אל” does in fact define as “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH)

Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty
(but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Compare names in “-el.”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,08:34)

Hi Mike, In all these verses the usage of “The Almighty” is synonymous with “EL” – do you agree? “Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?” (Job 8:3) “For he stretcheth out his hand against God, and strengtheneth himself against the Almighty.” (Job 15:25) “For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:” (Job 23:16) “I will teach you by the hand of God: that which is with the Almighty will I not conceal.” (Job 27:11) “The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” (Job 33:4) “Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.” (Job 34:12) First I showed you that “EL” when referring to YHVH means “Almighty”, now I have shown you many verses where the usage of “The Almighty” is synonymous with “EL”. So it is about time you drop your vanity, as it is getting you no where. “Surely God will not hear vanity, neither will the Almighty regard it.” (Job 35:13) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Mike,

You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that
“אל” is interchangeable with “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Is there more than one “The Almighty” – yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2012,22:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 07 2012,03:47) Hi Mike, Michael: who is like “the Almighty” or who is like 'a mighty one'? Ezekiel: “The Almighty” will strengthen or 'a mighty one' will strengthen? I could go on, but these examples are enough to prove my point. There are many words that have more than one meaning, “EL” is one of them… Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ed were is that Michael the “ALMIGHTY”

Unbelievable

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:38)

Hi Mike, You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that “אל” is interchangeable with “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH)

Ed,

I can also claim that “el” is interchangable with “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” when referring to Jehovah.  

1.  Does that mean “el” actually MEANS “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” at any time? YES or NO?

2.  Have you found a SUPPORTING dictionary to say “el” means “almighty” yet? YES or NO?  (Because the one you keep using surely doesn't say that.)

3.  Have you found anywhere in scripture where “el” is translated as “almighty” yet? YES or NO?  (Because there are places where it is translated as “mighty”.)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,15:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:38) Hi Mike, You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that “אל” is interchangeable with “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH) Ed, (A)I can also claim that “el” is interchangable with “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” when referring to Jehovah.   1.  Does that mean “el” actually MEANS “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” at any time?  YES or NO? 2.  Have you found a SUPPORTING dictionary to say “el” means “almighty” yet?  YES or NO?  (Because the one you keep using surely doesn't say that.) 3.  Have you found anywhere in scripture where “el” is translated as “almighty” yet?  YES or NO?  (Because there are places where it is translated as “mighty”.)

Hi Mike,

A) Please give me three examples of this.

1) No
2) Yes, Strong's H410
3) I have shown you specific Scripture verses where the words are interchangeable in their meaning.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 07 2012,16:50)

Hi Mike, Is there more than one “The Almighty” – yes or no? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Mike?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,19:26)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,15:50) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:38) Hi Mike, You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that “אל” is interchangeable with “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH) Ed, (A)I can also claim that “el” is interchangable with “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” when referring to Jehovah.   1.  Does that mean “el” actually MEANS “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” at any time?  YES or NO? 2.  Have you found a SUPPORTING dictionary to say “el” means “almighty” yet?  YES or NO?  (Because the one you keep using surely doesn't say that.) 3.  Have you found anywhere in scripture where “el” is translated as “almighty” yet?  YES or NO?  (Because there are places where it is translated as “mighty”.) Hi Mike, A) Please give me three examples of this. 1) No 2) Yes, Strong's H410 3) I have shown you specific Scripture verses where the words are interchangeable in their meaning.

A)  Seriously Ed?    Find ANY of the scriptures where the “el” in question is Jehovah, and I can interchange it with “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus”.

1.  You have answered correctly Ed.  So, even though we know that Jehovah is “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus”, we can't say the word “el” actually MEANS this, right?  Similarly, even though we know (from other Hebrew words) that Jehovah is the Almighty God, we can't say the word “el” actually MEANS this, right?  (Your answer to this question will prove whether you are an HONEST man, or just one who wants to be right no matter what.)

2.  Is that not the definition you ALREADY posted?  Do you wish to use the definition you already posted as SUPPORT of the definition you already posted?    Show me a DIFFERENT definition from a DIFFERENT source that supports the one you posted.

3.  “Interchangeable” does not mean “definition”, Ed.  If the scripture says “God is good”, then “mighty” is interchangeable with “good”, because God is mighty.  So is “gracious”, “loving”, “all knowing”, etc.  But does the fact these other words are “interchangeable” mean that “mighty”, “gracious”, “loving”, and “all knowing” are DEFINITIONS of the word “good”?  YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,19:27)

Hi Mike, Is there more than one “The Almighty” – yes or no?

No Ed. Like I told you, the word “almighty” is an absolute. There can only be one who is the MOST mighty.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,19:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,15:50) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:38) Hi Mike, You can turn 'a blind eye' to the facts if you want, but I have shown you that “אל” is interchangeable with “The Almighty” (when referring to YHVH) Ed, I can also claim that “el” is interchangable with “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus” when referring to Jehovah.   Hi Mike, Please give me three examples of this. Seriously Ed?

Hi Mike,

Yes – please do so; I want to see how “THEY” will read.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:54)

You have answered correctly Ed.  So, even though we know that Jehovah is “The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus”, we can't say the word “el” actually MEANS this, right?  Similarly, even though we know (from other Hebrew words) that Jehovah is the Almighty God, we can't say the word “el” actually MEANS this, right?

Hi Mike,

No, they are dissimilar because “Almighty” is the definition of “EL” when referring to YHVH.  (Link)

Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty
(but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Compare names in “-el.”

Daniel: “The Almighty” is judge
Ezekiel: “The Almighty” will strengthen

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:54)

Do you wish to use the definition you already posted as SUPPORT of the definition you already posted?

[mikeboll64]

Numbers 23:22 NET ©
The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus brought them out of Egypt.

Job 13:8 NET ©
Will you show him partiality? Will you argue the case for the Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus?

Job 20:15 NET ©
The wealth that he consumed he vomits up, the Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus will make him throw it out of his stomach.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,11:14)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:54) Do you wish to use the definition you already posted as SUPPORT of the definition you already posted?

Well, isn't that what you've tried to do?  Ed, I have no times for games.  Please address the points A through 3 from my other post.

Oh, and don't play silly games about, “They didn't know Jesus back then, so your examples don't work”.  Let's just save ourselves a lot of time and swap out “who is the Father of Jesus” for “who gave us all life”.

Does the word “el” MEAN “the Creator of All Things who gave us all life”?  NO.  Can I interchange those words for “el” when Jehovah is referenced?  YES. Ergo, “interchangeable” is not the same as “definition”, is it?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,04:17)

Numbers 23:22 NET © The Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus brought them out of Egypt. Job 13:8 NET © Will you show him partiality? Will you argue the case for the Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus? Job 20:15 NET © The wealth that he consumed he vomits up, the Creator of All Things who is the Father of Jesus will make him throw it out of his stomach.

Hi Mike,

Thank you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,04:21)

Does the word “el” MEAN “the Creator of All Things who gave us all life”?  NO.  Can I interchange those words for “el” when Jehovah is referenced?  YES.  Ergo, “interchangeable” is not the same as “definition”, is it?

No Mike,

“interchangeable” is not the same as “definition”.
But “defined” IS interchangeable with “definition”.   (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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