As indeed there are many gods………..

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:47)

Also, do you realize that Jehovah is refered to as “elohim” many more times than He is refered to as “el”?

Yep

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:47)

You are slowly but surely boxing yourself into a corner Ed

HA Ha ha ha!!!

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2012,08:47)

you'll be left with no choice but to just admit what you've been trying hard to avoid:  “el” and “elohim” simply mean “mighty one”.

Hi Mike,

I have shown there are other definitions in addition to that. …this is what I have shown.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) – So let's analyze this definition, okay? The word “el” is from 'ayil, which means “strength”, or as an adjective can mean “mighty”.  It is used of any deity, but especially (meaning USUALLY) of the Almighty God Jehovah. (1)Your source is NOT saying that the word actually MEANS “Almighty”, as can be seen from the second line: Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) – God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” (2)Ed, show me where you read “almighty one” in this line.  I read “mighty one”, but not “almighty one”.

1) especially the Almighty (reread my quote)
2) It's on the line above it in the quote box.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:00) 1 Samuel 2:3  KJV …….for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed. The REAL meaning:  Jehovah is a mighty one of knowlege. YOUR meaning:  Jehovah is AN Almighty One of knowledge. Hi Mike, In this verse YHVH is being compared to all 'might ones' – you do know the difference, do you not Oh, so now the word “elohim” means “mighty one” EXCEPT for when it refers to Jehovah……………. OR when it compares Jehovah with other mighty ones? Your definition keeps getting stranger and stranger, Ed. Why not just come over to the truth that “el” and “elohim” refer to mighty ones, of which Jehovah is the mightiest?

Hi Mike,

YHVH is indeed the mightiest of all ELoheems; but there are no other gods but he.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:37)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:22) Oh, so now the word “elohim” means “mighty one” EXCEPT for when it refers to Jehovah. “EL”

Okay game player, let's just go with this one.

Ed, is it your understanding that the word “elohim” means “mighty one”, even when it refers to Jehovah?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,17:36)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:20) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) – So let's analyze this definition, okay? The word “el” is from 'ayil, which means “strength”, or as an adjective can mean “mighty”.  It is used of any deity, but especially (meaning USUALLY) of the Almighty God Jehovah. (1)Your source is NOT saying that the word actually MEANS “Almighty”, as can be seen from the second line: Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) – God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” (2)Ed, show me where you read “almighty one” in this line.  I read “mighty one”, but not “almighty one”. 1) especially the Almighty (reread my quote) 2) It's on the line above it in the quote box.

And are you saying that “especially the Almighty” is one of the DEFINITIONS/MEANINGS of the word “el”?

Or do you understand that your source is saying the word “el” means mighty, and [refers to] especially the Almighty – BUT IS ALSO USED OF ANY DEITY?

Are you smart enough to realize that your source never says the word “el” actually MEANS “almighty”?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,11:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:22) Oh, so now the word “elohim” means “mighty one” EXCEPT for when it refers to Jehovah. “EL” Okay game player, let's just go with this one. Ed, is it your understanding that the word “elohim” means “mighty one”, even when it refers to Jehovah?

Hi Mike,

Eloheem means:

1. God
2. Angels
3. Judges
4. mighty ones

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,11:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,17:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:20) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) – So let's analyze this definition, okay? The word “el” is from 'ayil, which means “strength”, or as an adjective can mean “mighty”.  It is used of any deity, but especially (meaning USUALLY) of the Almighty God Jehovah. (1)Your source is NOT saying that the word actually MEANS “Almighty”, as can be seen from the second line: Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) – God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” (2)Ed, show me where you read “almighty one” in this line.  I read “mighty one”, but not “almighty one”. 1) especially the Almighty (reread my quote) 2) It's on the line above it in the quote box. And are you saying that “especially the Almighty” is one of the DEFINITIONS/MEANINGS of the word “el”? Or do you understand that your source is saying the word “el” means mighty, and [refers to] especially the Almighty – BUT IS ALSO USED OF ANY DEITY? Are you smart enough to realize that your source never says the word “el” actually MEANS “almighty”?

Hi Mike,

No, just almighty.
It's part of the words definition.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18)

Hi Mike, Eloheem means: 1. God 2. Angels 3. Judges 4. mighty ones

Okay Ed.

So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right?

2 Kings 1:6
This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub, the elohim of Ekron?

In this verse, the word “elohim” must be defined the same way because of the context, ie:  is it because there isn't one of them here, that you must go see one of them there?.

So which of your 4 choices do you insert for both “elohim” in this verse?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,09:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, Eloheem means: 1. God 2. Angels 3. Judges 4. mighty ones Okay Ed. So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right? 2 Kings 1:6 This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub, the elohim of Ekron? In this verse, the word “elohim” must be defined the same way because of the context, ie:  is it because there isn't one of them here, that you must go see one of them there?. So which of your 4 choices do you insert for both “elohim” in this verse?

Hi Mike

My bible program I have has both of those words as אֱלֹ, but this link has them as follows…

1. אֱלֹהִים  – God
2. אֱלֹהֵי  – the god of

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

“Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come
as a destruction from the Almighty.” (Isaiah 13:6)
Who is the “Almighty”; Mike?     …אֱלֹ “EL”, right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed,

The Hebrew word in Isaiah 13:6 is “shadday”, which is thought to mean “almighty”. And since “almighty” means “the mightiest of all the mighty”, it can refer to none other than Jehovah.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,22:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,09:37) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, Eloheem means: 1. God 2. Angels 3. Judges 4. mighty ones Okay Ed. So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right? 2 Kings 1:6 This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub, the elohim of Ekron? In this verse, the word “elohim” must be defined the same way because of the context, ie:  is it because there isn't one of them here, that you must go see one of them there?. So which of your 4 choices do you insert for both “elohim” in this verse? Hi Mike My bible program I have has both of those words as אֱלֹ, but this link has them as follows… 1. אֱלֹהִים  – God 2. אֱלֹהֵי  – the god of

The link is correct, Ed. But imagine that in English, we would not have spaces between “the god of”. Then it would look like “thegodof”. But the word “god”, in the middle of the other two words would still mean “god”.

So compare these two:

1. god
2. thegodof

Does the “god” part of both of them still mean “god”? Of course it does.

And in the scripture I posted for you, even though one part only says “elohim”, and the other part says “theelohimof”, the “elohim” part still means the same thing.

Another example is the Aramaic word “mar”. As is, it means “lord”. But when written as “mari”, it means “my lord”. But adding the “i” to it doesn't change the fact that the “mar” part still means “lord”.

So, knowing that the “elohim” parts both mean the same thing in the context of 2 Kings 1:6, which of your four choices would you pick to define BOTH “elohim” in that verse?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,06:13)

Hi Mike, “Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.” (Isaiah 13:6) Who is the “Almighty”; Mike?     …אֱלֹ “EL”, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Who is the “Almighty”; Mike? …אֱלֹ “EL”, right?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,07:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,09:37) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, Eloheem means: 1. God 2. Angels 3. Judges 4. mighty ones Okay Ed. So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right? 2 Kings 1:6 This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub, the elohim of Ekron? In this verse, the word “elohim” must be defined the same way because of the context, ie:  is it because there isn't one of them here, that you must go see one of them there?. So which of your 4 choices do you insert for both “elohim” in this verse? Hi Mike My bible program I have has both of those words as אֱלֹ, but this link has them as follows… 1. אֱלֹהִים  – God 2. אֱלֹהֵי  – the god of The link is correct, Ed. (A)And in the scripture I posted for you, even though one part only says “elohim”, and the other part says “theelohimof”, the “elohim” part still means the same thing. (B)Another example is the Aramaic word “mar”.  As is, it means “lord”.  But when written as “mari”, it means “my lord”.  But adding the “i” to it doesn't change the fact that the “mar” part still means “lord”.

Hi Mike,

A) Both “OF” and “THE” are implied (with אֱלֹהֵי) and necessary in English.  

B) Linguistical rules very from one language to another. How is Hebrew similar here?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,07:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, Eloheem means: 1. God 2. Angels 3. Judges 4. mighty ones So, knowing that the “elohim” parts both mean the same thing in the context of 2 Kings 1:6, which of your four choices would you pick to define BOTH “elohim” in that verse?

Hi Mike,

I will go along with your hypotheticals here, but you do know that the word is not “Eloheem” in the second instance.

#1 for (אֱלֹהִים) the first occasion, referring to the Almighty (God) of Israel.

#4 for (אֱלֹהֵי) the second occasion, referring to the mighty one (god) of Elkron.
 
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,15:45)

Who is the “Almighty”; Mike?     …אֱלֹ “EL”, right?

I don't know what you're asking here, Ed.  Are you thinking that the word “el” is in Is 13:6?  Because it isn't.

And NO, “el” in general isn't the Almighty.  Only the El OF all the other elohim is the Almighty one.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,16:02)

Hi Mike, I will go along with your hypotheticals here, but you do know that the word is not “Eloheem” in the second instance. #1 for (אֱלֹהִים) the first occasion, referring to the Almighty (God) of Israel. #4 for (אֱלֹהֵי) the second occasion, referring to the mighty one (god) of Elkron.

Okay Ed,

Remember “mar” and “mari”?

MARI IS THE RIGHTEOUS MAR

Do you see how it looks to you like two different Aramaic words are used here?  But the sentence is just saying, “My Lord is the righteous Lord.”

Do you suppose that one of those “lords” means something different than the other one, just because the first one has the added letter “i” to indicate “MY lord”?

Here's another example:

In Genesis 17:1, the word “Almighty” is שַׁדַּ֔י in Hebrew, but in Isaiah 13:6, it is מִשַּׁדַּ֥י, because in 13:6, it means “THE almighty”.  Now tell me, does the fact that the 13:6 Hebrew word has the added marks to make it mean “THE almighty” mean that the base word, “almighty”, all of a sudden means something other than “almighty”?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,09:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,15:45) Who is the “Almighty”; Mike?     …אֱלֹ “EL”, right? I don't know what you're asking here, Ed.  Are you thinking that the word “el” is in Is 13:6?  Because it isn't. And NO, “el” in general isn't the Almighty.  Only the El OF all the other elohim is the Almighty one.

Hi Mike, thank you,
I will rephrase my question!

Is the contextual meaning of the word “Almighty” in Isaiah 13:6 inferring to the one called
the “ELoheem” of Abraham, the “ELoheem” of Isaac, and the “ELoheem” of Jacob – yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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