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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,05:14) 4. Tell me what it means when Jehovah is called “El Shaddai”. If the “el” part already means “almighty”, because it is referring to Jehovah, then the term would be redundant, calling Jehovah the “almighty almighty”. Do you think “El Shaddai” means “Almighty Almighty”, Ed? YES or NO?
Sorry for any confusion – I meant “EL” where I said “ELoheem” to David.4.
“El Shaddai” means “Almighty breasted one”Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,05:14) 5. On the other hand, if the term “el” means “mighty one”, then the “shaddai” part would be emphasizing that Jehovah is the “almighty mighty one” – meaning that out of all the mighty ones, Jehovah is the mightiest. Doesn't it make more sense that “El Shaddai” is saying Jehovah is the mightiEST of the mighty ones, Ed? YES or NO?
Sorry for any confusion – I meant “EL” where I said “ELoheem” to David.5.
mootQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,13:12) 4.
“El Shaddai” means “Almighty breasted one”
From NETNotes:The traditional rendering of the title as “Almighty” is reflected in LXX and Jerome. But there is still little agreement on the etymology and exact meaning of אֵל־שַׁדַּי (’el-shadday). Suggestions have included the idea of “mountain God,” meaning the high God, as well as “the God with breasts.” But there is very little evidence supporting such conclusions and not much reason to question the ancient versions.
Ed, I have asked you 5 YES or NO questions to determine whether or not you can comprehend certain common sense concepts.
It is clear from your answers that you cannot. I will try one more time in a different way:
Do the words “el” or “elohim” actually MEAN “father”? YES or NO?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,13:11) 1.
EL refers to YHVH more than anyone else
– it means “Almighty” when referring to JEHOVAH GOD
– and “a mighty one” when referring all others.
No Ed. It just means “mighty one”, no matter who it is referring to.The word “king” doesn't start meaning “Almighty King” just because it is referring to Jehovah.
The word “father” doesn't start meaning “Almighty Father” just because it is referring to Jehovah.
The word “good” doesn't take on a new meaning of “greatest of all” when it is used of Jehovah. We can know from OTHER scriptures that He is the “greatest of all”, but the word “good” still just means “good”.
Most people can understand this simple common sense, Ed. Apparently, you are not most people. But let me prove it to you in a way you can't deny:
1 Samuel 2:3 KJV
…….for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.The REAL meaning: Jehovah is a mighty one of knowlege.
YOUR meaning: Jehovah is AN Almighty One of knowledge.
Do you see how the REAL meaning teaches that Jehovah is one of many “mighty ones”?
Do you see how YOUR meaning teaches that Jehovah is one of many “ALMIGHTY ones”?
The same works with this following scripture, and many others:
Psalm 5:4
You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell.If “elohim” means “almighty one” in this verse (since it is referring to Jehovah), then the verse is telling us that Jehovah is AN Almighty One, as if there are OTHER “Almighty ones”.
Your theorized definition has been scripturally shot down, Ed. Now you are free to come over to the truth of the matter.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,06:29) Ed, I have asked you 5 YES or NO questions to determine whether or not you can comprehend certain common sense concepts. It is clear from your answers that you cannot. I will try one more time in a different way:
Do the words “el” or “elohim” actually MEAN “father”? YES or NO?
NoReally Ed? All you typed was the word “No”, and you had to EDIT?
I'm glad you understand that “el” and “elohim” DON'T mean “father”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,13:11) 1.
EL refers to YHVH more than anyone else
– it means “Almighty” when referring to JEHOVAH GOD
– and “a mighty one” when referring all others.
No Ed. It just means “mighty one”, no matter who it is referring to.
Hi Mike,Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) –
– God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:04) Really Ed? All you typed was the word “No”, and you had to EDIT? I'm glad you understand that “el” and “elohim” DON'T mean “father”.
Hi Mike,I edited in your quote, since you posted again before my answer
– that way it would be understood to what I was saying “No” to.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYeah, I have to do that once in a while too. You just finish your post, which is right below the one you're responding to, just to find out that someone beat you to the punch, and now it looks like you're responding to THEIR post instead of the one you were really responding to.
I was just messin' with ya anyway.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:00) 1 Samuel 2:3 KJV
…….for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.The REAL meaning: Jehovah is a mighty one of knowlege.
YOUR meaning: Jehovah is AN Almighty One of knowledge.
Hi Mike,In this verse YHVH is being compared to all 'might ones' – you do know the difference, do you not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) –
So let's analyze this definition, okay?The word “el” is from 'ayil, which means “strength”, or as an adjective can mean “mighty”. It is used of any deity, but especially (meaning USUALLY) of the Almighty God Jehovah.
Your source is NOT saying that the word actually MEANS “Almighty”, as can be seen from the second line:
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) – God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”
Ed, show me where you read “almighty one” in this line. I read “mighty one”, but not “almighty one”.Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:00) 1 Samuel 2:3 KJV
…….for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.The REAL meaning: Jehovah is a mighty one of knowlege.
YOUR meaning: Jehovah is AN Almighty One of knowledge.
Hi Mike,In this verse YHVH is being compared to all 'might ones' – you do know the difference, do you not
Oh, so now the word “elohim” means “mighty one” EXCEPT for when it refers to Jehovah……………. OR when it compares Jehovah with other mighty ones?Your definition keeps getting stranger and stranger, Ed.
Why not just come over to the truth that “el” and “elohim” refer to mighty ones, of which Jehovah is the mightiest?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2012,14:04) Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity) – Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,07:22) Oh, so now the word “elohim” means “mighty one” EXCEPT for when it refers to Jehovah.
“EL”Hi Mike,
Here is the definition of “ELoheem”…
angels, exceeding, God, very great, mighty
Plural of 'elowahh; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative — angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Good Ed. So you see that “elohim” refers to “gods in the ordinary sense”, and also specifically to “the Supreme God”.
Do you see from your source where it means “mighty”? YES
Do you see from your source that there are special times when the word itself means “almighty”? NO
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2012,13:39) Do you see from your source that there are special times when the word itself means “almighty”? NO
Hi Mike,For the definition of “EL” this is indeed the case.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNo it isn't, Ed. Please address the second post on this page, where I've addressed your “el” definition and shown that it DOESN'T say the word actually MEANS “almighty”.
Also, do you realize that Jehovah is refered to as “elohim” many more times than He is refered to as “el”?
And, since “elohim” is simply the plural form of “el/eloah”, why would you think the singular form means “almighty” and the plural form doesn't?
In the Hebrew language, it is the PLURAL form that holds more weight, since they used the plural of majesty.You are slowly but surely boxing yourself into a corner Ed – where you'll be left with no choice but to just admit what you've been trying hard to avoid: “el” and “elohim” simply mean “mighty one”.
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