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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,17:26) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 07 2012,12:48) that is your opinion boy about the son of God.
paul said he was equal with God.Philippians 2:6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
6 In his very nature he was God.
But he did not think that being equal with God was something he should hold on to.Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
mike,
this is my fifth time asking you
your father is truly HUMAN, do you believe that ? yes or no?
jammin.Jesus father is God;but his mother is human of the root of David, so what do you think he is? Half God and half human?
wakeup.
the son who is God by nature became flesh.
1 tim 3.16
phil 2.6Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,18:45) I think the word Elohim can only be applied to the Father,not even the son.
I guess what we “think” really has no bearing on the issue, because Deborah is just one of the many who are not Jehovah, yet are still called “elohim”.We can't deny that Deborah and many others were called “elohim” in scripture; so what I'm asking is does that make her a “false god”? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,
Deborah was “a judge” NOT 'a god'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2012,10:10) Hi Mike, Deborah was “a judge” – NOT 'a god'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Remember “EL-o-heem” means “mighty one” (when not referring to YHVH).Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2012,19:00) 1) A non-existent god.
You mean a non-existent el? How do you know this?Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2012,19:00) 2) God's wrath against Israel has no connection
to the king of Moab sacrificing his son.
Now you are just in denial, Ed. God is the one who said He'd give victory to the Israelites – and He did. Why then would He all of a sudden get mad and bring wrath down upon them? The context is:A. The king of Moab sacrificed his son to Chemosh
B. Immediately following this sacrifice, wrath came upon the Israelites, sending them fleeing for home.Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2012,19:00) 3) “Mighty one” for those other than YHVH;
for YHVH “EL” means “Almighty”.I will use “mighty one”, whether that mighty one in question is the Almighty one, or a different mighty one – because that is what the word actually means.
Ed, does the fact that Jehovah is the mightiest of all the mighty ones preclude Him from also being a mighty one? Does the fact that Jehovah is “almighty” make the word “mighty” all of a sudden MEAN “almighty”? Of course not.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,17:10) Hi Mike, Deborah was “a judge” NOT 'a god'.
God bless
Ed J
Thanks Ed.I was wondering where I would take you next, and you made my decision for me.
Exodus 21:6 KJV
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges;The Hebrew says “unto the elohim”, yet we know that the referent is human judges.
So your statement as quoted above is a moot point, since Deborah was an elohim, just like the humans refered to in the scripture above.
So, here is the question:
Ed, when God says that apart from Him, “there is no elohim, I know of not one”, is it even a possibility that God is speaking LITERALLY, since we KNOW that there have existed MANY elohim?
Or does it make more sense that God was speaking EMPHATICALLY, placing Himself ABOVE all the others……….. sort of like Muhammed Ali saying, Apart from me, there are no boxers – I know of not one! ?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,18:45) I think the word Elohim can only be applied to the Father,not even the son.
I guess what we “think” really has no bearing on the issue, because Deborah is just one of the many who are not Jehovah, yet are still called “elohim”.We can't deny that Deborah and many others were called “elohim” in scripture; so what I'm asking is does that make her a “false god”? YES or NO?
MikeB.I have never seen that word in the bible;what bible are you reading?
I know that el'ohim is a great word.
Is there anyone mighty next to God?
Since all is in his hands?
There is no one MIGHTY in Gods eyes.Nebuchadnezzar was named by Daniel; thou GREAT KING.
But there is no El'ohim next to God.The 4 chief angels names: Micha''EL, Rafe' EL, Gabri' EL, Phanu' EL; and others:
EL; for EL'ohim: so EL'OHIM can only apply to God.Even Moses was not el'ohim,or Abraham,or any prophet.
and you say deborah is EL'ohim??wakeup.
I don't say it, Wakeup, scripture says it. “Elohim” is simply the plural form of “el”, which we in English generally translate as “god”, but which really just means “mighty one”.
So when Jehovah said there are no “mighty ones” besides Him, do you suppose He was speaking LITERALLY, or EMPHATICALLY?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,13:05) I don't say it, Wakeup, scripture says it. “Elohim” is simply the plural form of “el”, which we in English generally translate as “god”, but which really just means “mighty one”. So when Jehovah said there are no “mighty ones” besides Him, do you suppose He was speaking LITERALLY, or EMPHATICALLY?
MikeB.There is no one mighty in Gods eyes But God,and this is literally speaking.
But there are mighty kings among men,yes.in the kingdoms of men.
And mighty warriors,yes.but among men.In our world.There are mighty animals also in the kingdom of animals.
Like the lion,is a mighty animal,amongst animals.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,10:17) Ed, Does the fact that Jehovah is “almighty” make the word “mighty” all of a sudden MEAN “almighty”? Of course not.
Hi Mike,Yes, it does.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,10:30) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,17:10) Hi Mike, Deborah was “a judge” NOT 'a god'.
God bless
Ed J
Thanks Ed.I was wondering where I would take you next, and you made my decision for me.
Exodus 21:6 KJV
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges;The Hebrew says “unto the elohim”, yet we know that the referent is human judges.
So your statement as quoted above is a moot point, since Deborah was an elohim, just like the humans refered to in the scripture above.
So, here is the question:
Ed, when God says that apart from Him, “there is no elohim, I know of not one”, is it even a possibility that God is speaking LITERALLY, since we KNOW that there have existed MANY elohim?
Or does it make more sense that God was speaking EMPHATICALLY, placing Himself ABOVE all the others……….. sort of like Muhammed Ali saying, Apart from me, there are no boxers – I know of not one! ?
Hi Mike,God is simply telling us that he alone is “God”.
Hebrew doesn't have a word as strong as the English word “God”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 09 2012,20:55) MikeB. There is no one mighty in Gods eyes But God,and this is literally speaking.
But there are mighty kings among men,yes.in the kingdoms of men.
And mighty warriors,yes.but among men.In our world.
So, from God's own point of view, he is the “only” mighty one, although He Himself calls others “mighty ones” in scripture.That makes it an EMPHATIC statement, and not to be take LITERALLY. If God calls Satan “the elohim of Ekron”, then He can't literally be the ONLY “elohim”, right?
You are putting your own understanding to this “dilemma”, which is good because it shows you are beginning to understand that, literally and scripturally speaking, there exist many “elohim” – of whom Jehovah is the “elohim”. (That is, after all, what “God of gods” means, right? It means that Jehovah is the God of the other gods, right? And that can't possibly be unless there exist other gods for Him to be the God of, right?)
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,22:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,10:17) Ed, Does the fact that Jehovah is “almighty” make the word “mighty” all of a sudden MEAN “almighty”? Of course not.
Yes, it does.
No Ed, it doesn't.When it is said that God is “good”, does the fact that we know God is MORE good than anyone else all of a sudden make the word “good” mean “the best of all”?
No.
The word “elohim” means “mighty one”. You can accept that fact or not.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,22:31) Hi Mike, God is simply telling us that he alone is “God”.
Hebrew doesn't have a word as strong as the English word “God”.
Oh I see. So no one was really able to truly understand verses like Isaiah 44:6 until the English came along with their word “god”?
Get real, Ed.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,04:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 09 2012,20:55) MikeB. There is no one mighty in Gods eyes But God,and this is literally speaking.
But there are mighty kings among men,yes.in the kingdoms of men.
And mighty warriors,yes.but among men.In our world.
So, from God's own point of view, he is the “only” mighty one, although He Himself calls others “mighty ones” in scripture.That makes it an EMPHATIC statement, and not to be take LITERALLY. If God calls Satan “the elohim of Ekron”, then He can't literally be the ONLY “elohim”, right?
You are putting your own understanding to this “dilemma”, which is good because it shows you are beginning to understand that, literally and scripturally speaking, there exist many “elohim” – of whom Jehovah is the “elohim”. (That is, after all, what “God of gods” means, right? It means that Jehovah is the God of the other gods, right? And that can't possibly be unless there exist other gods for Him to be the God of, right?)
MikeB.It is not in Gods point of view,but it is the truth.
All the other gods are not true gods,they are the creations of the nations.Those man made gods are not gods at all.
In Gods eyes they dont exist,they are mans imaginations introduced by satan.The world has MADE satan a god,by worshipping his concepts.
but he is not a true God. He made himself a god to the world,but he is a liar. The world still follow his spirit,and that makes him the god of this world.But truly he is no god at all. A wana be god.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,04:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,22:31) Hi Mike, God is simply telling us that he alone is “God”.
Hebrew doesn't have a word as strong as the English word “God”.
Oh I see. So no one was really able to truly understand verses like Isaiah 44:6 until the English came along with their word “god”? Get real, Ed.
Hi Mike,Looks like you are still having trouble understanding this.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2012,13:26) All the other gods are not true gods,they are the creations of the nations.Those man made gods are not gods at all.
In Gods eyes they dont exist,they are mans imaginations introduced by satan.
Okay Wakeup,Then you are saying that you believe Deborah, who was a faithful follower led by Jehovah, was a “false elohim” who was “created by the nations”. You are saying that, in God's eyes, Deborah didn't really exist, but was conjured up by man's imaginations.
Are you sure?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2012,18:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,04:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,22:31) Hi Mike, God is simply telling us that he alone is “God”.
Hebrew doesn't have a word as strong as the English word “God”.
Oh I see. So no one was really able to truly understand verses like Isaiah 44:6 until the English came along with their word “god”? Get real, Ed.
Hi Mike,Looks like you are still having trouble understanding this.
God bless
Ed J
Are you serious, Ed? Do you seriously claim that no one was able to understand Is 44:6 until the English word “god” came around?Talk about denial.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2012,05:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2012,13:26) All the other gods are not true gods,they are the creations of the nations.Those man made gods are not gods at all.
In Gods eyes they dont exist,they are mans imaginations introduced by satan.
Okay Wakeup,Then you are saying that you believe Deborah, who was a faithful follower led by Jehovah, was a “false elohim” who was “created by the nations”. You are saying that, in God's eyes, Deborah didn't really exist, but was conjured up by man's imaginations.
Are you sure?
Mike b.I am sorry, but I can not find that word(title) Elohim mentioned regarding Deborah?
If deborah was realy called elohim then something is not correct. That word(title) can only be applied to God.
For no prophets of God has been called by that title.
Do you know of any?wakeup.
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