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The bible speaks of things past, present, and future; So does it speak of Zion. I dont hear any preachers talking about Zion, nor do I hear of any Christians talking about it; And yet it is one of the most important things written in the bible.
Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ June 25 2007,10:08) The bible speaks of things past, present, and future; So does it speak of Zion. I dont hear any preachers talking about Zion, nor do I hear of any Christians talking about it; And yet it is one of the most important things written in the bible.
HiGod continues his battle for Zion, even though men minds have moved it in to eternity away from the earth.
Mt Zion is when you become …what you yet knew not what you shall become, transformed in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trumpet.transfigured following Christ
Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,Amongst the Nations the hypocrites sound trumpets in their synagogues, stealing the glory of Zion, till even in the end the Nations shall be so far from the truth, and receive not a trumpet to prepare himself to battle
Mat 6:2
Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Cr 14:8
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
Joe 2:15 ¶ Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
Joe 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Joe 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where [is] their God? Joe 2:18 ¶ Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha;smelleth the battle
Job 39:24 He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that [it is] the sound of the trumpet. 25 He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting. :26 Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, [and] stretch her wings toward the south?
:27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
:28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. :29 From thence she seeketh the prey, [and] her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain [are], there [is] she.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 27 2007,10:48) Hi charity,
Will Christ come at the feast of trumpets?
Hi Nick, No its not a day event, each one comes in their turn, but the days of grace will finish, when every soul has attended a life to put on salvation, of perish, life is a harvestAin't no mountain high enough
Ain't no valley low enough
Ain't no river wild enough
To keep me from MT ZionEvery one is given a life to attend the personal battle to become an overcomer before death, the forces of the opposing Army they that wise to hold as many captive to fail transformation and adoption to wit.
charity
Hi charity,
He will come on a day.
Rev 11
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 27 2007,11:21) Hi charity,
He will come on a day.
Rev 11
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Voice of the trumpets 1, 2, and 3 that we must be found subdued to hear
The seventh trumpet even six ignored
That even the harvest has past unbeknown to us
Failed to come forth to the battle, confused noise, garments rolled in blood,
do you think Christ is going to raise the perished for a day event?, coming forth to battle us again? What sort of nature and pleasure is found in this? When the earth is now a burning furnace?
Isa 9:5
For every battle of the warrior [is] with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but [this] shall be with burning [and] fuel of fire.
Isa 13:4
The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.Power of death to be swallowed up, no one is discharged till this battle, is one Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the EARTH, for the VOICES of the three angels we look for.
Rev 8:13
And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Hbr 12:19
And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Rev 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.Quote Hi david,
Is this why they refuse to serve?–Nick, 2 pages back.
Why don't you go back in time and ask the earliest Christians why they refused to serve in the military, or the political arena?
For myself, it's easier just to check the Bible and find the answer. But, for some, this is not enough. I would suggest a time machine.“Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . The Christians . . . felt it a violation of their faith to enter military service. They would not hold political office. They would not worship the emperor.”
–On the Road to Civilization—A World History, A. K. Heckel and J. G. Sigman, 1937, pp. 237-8“The Christians stood aloof and distinct from the state, . . . and Christianity seemed able to influence civil life only in that manner which, it must be confessed, is the purest, by practically endeavouring to instil more and more of holy feeling into the citizens of the state.”
–The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries, (New York, 1848), Augustus Neander, translated from German by H. J. Rose, p. 168“While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire . . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”
—History of Christianity, Edward Gibbon, 1891, pp. 162-3.“The Christians . . . shrank from public office and military service. –“Persecution of the Christians in Gaul, A.D. 177,” by F. P. G. Guizot in The Great Events by Famous Historians, edited by R. Johnson, 1905, Vol. III, p. 246)
Speaking of the early Christians, the book World History, The Story of Man’s Achievements says: “Zealous Christians did not serve in the armed forces or accept political offices.”
Church historian Augustus Neander reported that “the Christians were represented as men dead to the world, and useless for all affairs of life; . . . and it was asked, what would become of the business of life, if all were like them?”
“The Christians stood aloof and distinct from the state, as a priestly and spiritual race, and Christianity seemed able to influence civil life only in that manner which, it must be confessed, is the purest, by practically endeavouring to instil more and more of holy feeling into the citizens of the state.”—The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries (New York, 1848), Augustus Neander, translated from German by H. J. Rose, p. 168.Attention all Christians: What do you think about a Christian community being built precieding Christ return; consisting of six or seven different Christian denomenations; built somewhere SOUTH of Israel? Think about the word South, think about the number 7, think about Zion. What would life be like in a place where only Christians lived?
Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.Luke 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Yahshua wanted the people to be gathered for their protection, but they were not willing to seperate themselves from the others.Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ July 01 2007,05:26) Attention all Christians: What do you think about a Christian community being built precieding Christ return; consisting of six or seven different Christian denomenations; built somewhere SOUTH of Israel? Think about the word South, think about the number 7, think about Zion. What would life be like in a place where only Christians lived?
Didn't the first church try that?Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ July 01 2007,05:26) Attention all Christians: What do you think about a Christian community being built precieding Christ return; consisting of six or seven different Christian denomenations; built somewhere SOUTH of Israel? Think about the word South, think about the number 7, think about Zion. What would life be like in a place where only Christians lived?
Perhaps we become the new Jerusalem by an circumcised heart, faith, and not by things that are manifested to the eye’s, it is only BY THE Law that Jerusalem is made a to be destination, over many generations the increasing seed scattered thought out the world, struggles to know their part in prophecy,
Wind the clock back, from your mother to mother, from the womb of the woman shall they rise, where were we when these things were written, and the world they new then was as far as they could only imagine and see,
Maybe it is only to enter the kingdom of in our hearts,
And we must all become overcomes within the seven churches, to receive a morning star, as Christ himself received, and shall judge one worthy to receive.
Christ has promised to come for each one, in, and adoption shall witt, and when he has come for you, the power of death is swallowed up, each in his own turn, the sound of the seventh trumpet, He has said he is with us always, and each shall return in the order, first Christ the first fruits of them that slept, and each one after, not all at once on earth.Hi charity,
Christ is the morning star.[rev22]
He is born as Spirit into his brothers.[gal4]
He grows up within us to rule[2Peter 1]
The kingdom first comes within.[Lk]Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2007,12:40) Hi charity,
Christ is the morning star.[rev22]
He is born as Spirit into his brothers.[gal4]
He grows up within us to rule[2Peter 1]
The kingdom first comes within.[Lk]
Nick > your using Christ in us as the man Christ when what is meant is the spirit or christos or anoting. this same spirit was in Jesus the Christ . just as it say's , if the spirit that raised Christ from the Dead be in you It shall quicken or bring to life your mortal bodies ALSO. (like it did his).the Holy Spirit is what does all these thing you mention not the person Jesus.
he is not born as Spirit into his brothers, the spirit that was in him is also in his brothers.
it is God who rules in us and Jesus is not God. infact it is God who rules in Jesus.
if you would have said its the Christos or Holy 'spirit that is the morning or day star. you would have been right.
Quote (kenrch @ July 01 2007,12:21) Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ July 01 2007,05:26) Attention all Christians: What do you think about a Christian community being built precieding Christ return; consisting of six or seven different Christian denomenations; built somewhere SOUTH of Israel? Think about the word South, think about the number 7, think about Zion. What would life be like in a place where only Christians lived?
Didn't the first church try that?
No: The church was secular; That is a sect of Judism. And everywhere the Judeo Christians went, the Pagan Christians were soon to follow; and they devoured the sheep even until their bones fell to the ground. Before people were called Christians, they were called converts to Judism. Constantine the Great proclaimed himself head of the Christian Church; he introduced Trinitarism and the Sunday Sabbath. The Judeo Christians were murdered because they would not keep the Sunday Sabbath or accept Trinitarism. During the time Constantine was head of the Christian Church he was also the Pagan High Priest. Do you think Judeo Christians should have a place of their own? Perhaps SOUTH of Israel, and maybe 180 miles inland from the coast. Abraham gave astrological signs as a testamony; perhaps we could use them in locateing a place.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2007,12:40) Hi charity,
Christ is the morning star.[rev22]
He is born as Spirit into his brothers.[gal4]
He grows up within us to rule[2Peter 1]
The kingdom first comes within.[Lk]
Christ was a Morning Star, but when he entered back into The Kingdom of Heaven he became the Bright Morning Star.Quote (charity @ July 01 2007,12:32) Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ July 01 2007,05:26) Attention all Christians: What do you think about a Christian community being built precieding Christ return; consisting of six or seven different Christian denomenations; built somewhere SOUTH of Israel? Think about the word South, think about the number 7, think about Zion. What would life be like in a place where only Christians lived?
Perhaps we become the new Jerusalem by an circumcised heart, faith, and not by things that are manifested to the eye’s, it is only BY THE Law that Jerusalem is made a to be destination, over many generations the increasing seed scattered thought out the world, struggles to know their part in prophecy,
Wind the clock back, from your mother to mother, from the womb of the woman shall they rise, where were we when these things were written, and the world they new then was as far as they could only imagine and see,
Maybe it is only to enter the kingdom of in our hearts,
And we must all become overcomes within the seven churches, to receive a morning star, as Christ himself received, and shall judge one worthy to receive.
Christ has promised to come for each one, in, and adoption shall witt, and when he has come for you, the power of death is swallowed up, each in his own turn, the sound of the seventh trumpet, He has said he is with us always, and each shall return in the order, first Christ the first fruits of them that slept, and each one after, not all at once on earth.
(((Perhaps we become the new Jerusalem by an circumcised heart))) Yes: Spiritualy and parabolically; but still, we have no physical place on earth as a gathering place to fulfill the prophecy.Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ July 02 2007,07:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2007,12:40) Hi charity,
Christ is the morning star.[rev22]
He is born as Spirit into his brothers.[gal4]
He grows up within us to rule[2Peter 1]
The kingdom first comes within.[Lk]
Christ was a Morning Star, but when he entered back into The Kingdom of Heaven he became the Bright Morning Star.
Hi MTAA,
hmmmI consider, that in each of us receiving a morning star, this is even another reference to the power of death swallowed up within us each in his own turn, the seventh trumpet, in which the kingdom is delivered over to Christ, and becomes his, there is no rif raft to enter into the kingdom of Zion.
Each soul to enter, forming the kingdom, within the life that has been given, each in his own turn, after Christ the first friuts
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
When did Christ receive his morning Star?
When did Christ prolong his life?
Where are the Instructions that even Christ himself followed, that he was transfigured, being made flesh overcoming, that we may follow him?
Instructions for righteous are within his fathers psalms, and the prophets, confirm that he would have taken and lived by the statues and covenant of his father King David, just how we should need to follow him..
This is how Christ waxed strong in the spirit of wisdom and grace, Raising his father’s kingdom, in which was his inheritance for the earthly throne, and those also that raise the reins of these statues of righteousness shall join with him on this earthly throne and kingdom,, and live, these things are what we should be building up on earth, yet the earth is becoming desolate, and destroyed for lack of understanding, for the Christians have some how not considered that this is the everlasting earth where God dwells among his people in spirit.
Isa 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Isa 22:23 And I will fasten him [as] a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.Pro 16:12 [It is] an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Pro 16:13 Righteous lips [are] the delight of kings; and they love him that speaketh right.
Pro 16:14 The wrath of a king [is as] messengers of death: but a wise man will pacify it.
Pro 16:15 In the light of the king's countenance [is] life; and his favour [is] as a cloud of the latter rain.
Pro 16:16 How much better [is it] to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!
Pro 16:17 The highway of the upright [is] to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.Hi charity,
All that is good is of God by the good Spirit of God.
Nehemiah 9:20
Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
Psalm 143:10
Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.
Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2007,14:02) Hi charity,
All that is good is of God by the good Spirit of God.
Nehemiah 9:20
Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
Psalm 143:10
Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.
Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
To Whom It May Concern,
Nick observes Moses Laws, and statues, the whole bible every word has to blended into a mixture that can be eaten fine all good, he feels I am terribly unrighteous to have observed that two covenants are in conflict, two ways of Life, that even some scriptures will need to condemn themselves, concerning the ink and pens of scribes that hope have us observe and keep their ways alive, and thand the faithful fathers, the Nature of the apostate generation that lead up to before Christ’s coming,
I follow King David’s, which is of the highest authority,
King David’s is the covenant of New Life, and the Statues in which Christ came, and the everlasting throne to all generations.Mat 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Mat 21:10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?
Mat 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Mat 21:12 ¶ And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mat 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
Mat 21:15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
The Law and statutes of Moses are not as those of King Davids covernent, that Christ was repairing the reins and desolation of many generations that entered by force the curse to follow Moses Statues and covenent
Neh 10:29
They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;The truth is Sacrifice and offering ender in King David’s kingdom, according to the new covenant of sure mercies,
There was no Law made for this mercy, so those without faith continued to sacrifice and offer small animals, Nehemiah made it a cursed Law for the whole kingdom, which it had never been, and never was it given to use in such a ruthless manner, Moses never sported a Nature like Nehemiah, there is a very clear decrement of Love and the works of God voice, unlike Nehemiah, who shall not find a word from God sounding thou out his book, but him only sorting with himself over these people losing their Lives.
a great offence by the time Christ came, on top of the need to sacrifice they were purchasing from the cursed church, doves, animals, running a money making business.
Which clearly if the truth is within you. You will see they followed Moses statues and not King David’s, whom they blamed and hated Mat 21:15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
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