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Charity………Hi , hope everything is going OK with you Sis, have you chatted with kejon lately . If so would like to know where he is posting at.
Peace and love to you and your ………………..Gene
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 11 2013,22:51) God taught his chosen people to kill everyone that was not among his chosen people.
Not only that he taught his chosen people to steal from everyone that were not among his chosen people.Deu 6:10 “The LORD your God will soon bring you into the land he swore to give you when he made a vow to your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It is a land with large, prosperous cities that you did not build.
Deu 6:11 The houses will be richly stocked with goods you did not produce. You will draw water from cisterns you did not dig, and you will eat from vineyards and olive trees you did not plant.I guess that God thought that since his people were so lazy, that he would just let them steal what other people had worked hard to create.
Why didn't God promise them some empty land somewhere and let them build it up themselves?
Why did God teach his people that they should kill hard working, productive people and steal what they had made?How do you learn morals from this teaching?
Tim
Thimothy V…….Hi brother, missed your posts , good to hear you again brother.Let me try to answer what you said, it had nothing to do with God teaching his people to steal or take what was not theirs, it all had to do with the Evil of those people they we going to displace . they had grown so evil that God acted to remove them from their land and he even did that to Israel also and kicked them out of their Land and gave their lands and cities and possessions to other also . Our God is a Just God brother, full of mercy and compassion , but there is a limit as to how much he will endure with any one or nation IMO.
I believe when the evil of a nation reaches a certain point then God takes action and this is what happened to those people Israel replaced and also to Israel. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (charity @ Mar. 14 2013,13:05) 97.
Yes, Charity:I know, sins, sins, sins, but Jesus endured the punishment that those sinners rendered so that even the most wicked person on earth could be reconciled to God, having all of thier sins forgiven if they come to God with a repentant heart believing that God has provided propitiation for thier sins in the person of Jesus God's Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Here is an example of some who crucified Jesus coming to God with a repentant heart:
Quote Act 2:22 ¶ Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
But no, if those who you have mentioned, the catholic church, those who crucified Jesus do not repent, they will not be forgiven, and they will be held accountable for what they have done.
Love in Christ,
MartyIf God's only plan for redemption was to have Jesus commit suicide by cop, why will the ones who helped to implement that plan be held accountable?
They were only doing God's will.This thinking really makes no sense.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2013,19:03) If God's only plan for redemption was to have Jesus commit suicide by cop,
Suicide would be running around brandishing a sword to draw “fire”, what guilt did Jesus perpetuate to be killed:
64 Jesus answered, “Yes, that’s right. But I tell you, in the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right side of God. And you will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven.”65 When the high priest heard this, he tore his clothes in anger. He said, “This man has said things that insult God! We don’t need any more witnesses. You all heard his insulting words.
66 What do you think?” The Jewish leaders answered, “He is guilty, and he must die.”
Now the “cops” response was: John 27:23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.
John 10:17 For this [reason] the Father loves Me, because I lay down My [own] life—to take it back again.
Our redemption was Jesus laying down His life for us, yet without sin, He had the power to “take up His life again” ,so not quite suicide.
Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.And what “awful” thing did He teach us!
1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2013,19:03) why will the ones who helped to implement that plan be held accountable?
They were only doing God's will.Seems Jesus agreed they should be forgiven:
Luke 23:34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”I don't know what caused your disillusionment with our loving Father, but I will keep you in prayer.
Wm
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2013,22:03) If God's only plan for redemption was to have Jesus commit suicide by cop, why will the ones who helped to implement that plan be held accountable?
They were only doing God's will.This thinking really makes no sense.
Tim
Hi Tim:It was God's plan for Jesus to obey Him even unto death on the cross in spite of what man could do to him. Man has the power to “kill the body” and because of this power, some, as those who crucified Jesus, will try to force someone to do what they want them to do through intimidation instead of obeying God. It was not suicide.
The only way that sin and death could be overcome is for someone to have obeyed God without sin throughout his entire life.
God had shown Jesus prior to his ministry that He would die this death, but that He would raise him from the dead.
All men born of the sperm of man have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and through sin, if they have not been reconciled to God, are dead or spiritually separated from God.
Any one of us including those who literally crucified Jesus can be forgiven if they come to God with a repentant heart asking for forgiveness.
God had forseen that they would crucify Jesus, and He allowed it, but they will be held accountable if they do not repent because they did this willingly.
And we also, to whom the gospel has been preached, will be held accountable for our sins if we choose to continue to practice sin wilfully.
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Quote 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2013,17:03) If God's only plan for redemption was to have Jesus commit suicide by cop, why will the ones who helped to implement that plan be held accountable?
They were only doing God's will.This thinking really makes no sense.
Tim
timLk 13:1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.
Lk 13:2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?
Lk 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
Lk 13:4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?
Lk 13:5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Lk 13:6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any.
Lk 13:7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
Lk 13:8 “ ‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it.
Lk 13:9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’understand this ;it is irrelevant if you believe or not
Hi Tim:
You stated that you did not understand why God would hold those who crucified Jesus accountable (if they did not repent) since they were doing God's will.
That is not a true statement. God allowed them to crucify Jesus, just as he allows us to choose what we do each day, and it was through enduring this suffering that Jesus learned obedience to God's Word, and to trust Him in spite of what he would have to endure.
It is in this world that we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives. For example, the scriptures that as a Christian, “I am to love my enemies, and I to do good to those who hate me, and I am to pray for those who despitefully use me. I could not learn to apply these scriptures if these circumstances were not prevelant.
This scripture may help explain what I have stated above:
Quote Hbr 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Mar. 19 2013,02:28) Hi Tim: You stated that you did not understand why God would hold those who crucified Jesus accountable (if they did not repent) since they were doing God's will.
That is not a true statement. Love in Christ,
Marty
Acts 2:23English Standard Version (ESV)
23 this Jesus,[a] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 19 2013,06:48) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 19 2013,02:28) Hi Tim: You stated that you did not understand why God would hold those who crucified Jesus accountable (if they did not repent) since they were doing God's will.
That is not a true statement. Love in Christ,
Marty
Acts 2:23English Standard Version (ESV)
23 this Jesus,[a] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God
Hi Tim:It is through what they did that God's Plan for the redemption of man was accomplished, and God had forseen what they would do, but they did what they did of their own free will, God was not a partaker of what they did. He did not cause them to do what they did, and so, there is a difference between what I have stated “that God's plan was accomplished through what they did” and “saying that they were doing God's will”.
They meant it for evil, but God allowed it for the good that would come out of it, and that is that there would be a way that all men, including these who crucified him, might be reconciled to him.
There are other examples in the scriptures where God allowed men to carry out their evil intent because He knew that he would turn it around and bring good out of it, such allowing Joseph's brother's to sell him into slavery, and then saving the whole nation, including Joseph's brothers, in the time of extreme famine,
I hope that this helps you to understand this, Tim.
Love in Christ,
MartyStu………. Now i know why your vitar has it's hands on it's head, it's afraid lightning may strike it at any time as you drag it along with you, specially after saying that, my advice to you is to stay inside for a while and keep you head covered, boy!.
. Sin ,is, according to scripture, the transgression of the Laws of God, or do you have a different definition of what Sin is?.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene
Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment.
The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 20 2013,10:10) Stu………. Now i know why your vitar has it's hands on it's head, it's afraid lightning may strike it at any time as you drag it along with you, specially after saying that, my advice to you is to stay inside for a while and keep you head covered, boy!. . Sin ,is, according to scripture, the transgression of the Laws of God, or do you have a different definition of what Sin is?.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene
No, that was the definition I was using.Stuart
Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,16:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Quote The killing of Jesus was immoral. and yet it is still practice daily around the world ,
THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENTS AND THE FATHERLESS
Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
Hiya,I agree with the inconsistency you have pointed out. This leads me to ask if there is anything in the Levite laws that would also apply.
What about the killing of small clean animals, is that immoral?
Colter
I eat small clean animals, but I still
don't have the heart to kill them.Can't even eat something that looked at me
before it was cooked. Am I wierd?Tim
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,00:05) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,16:23) Quote (Mary @ Mar. 20 2013,21:19) Sin is Killing Jesus. breaking of The six commandment. The People Have power, hence, no power until they Judge The death of Jesus.
Mary
The killing of Jesus was immoral. Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.Stuart
Quote The killing of Jesus was immoral. and yet it is still practice daily around the world ,
THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENTS AND THE FATHERLESS
Well indeed. Was Jesus innocent, or fatherless, or both?Stuart
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