Are multiple types of beings called angels

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2012,10:17)

Has Jesus ever been a messenger of God? And the answer would be YES.

Yes: Heb 1:1-3

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2012,10:17)

Has Jesus ever been a SPIRIT messenger of God? And the answer would also be YES.

Yes: Acts 22:18-21

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2012,10:17)

And that would be the end of it.

Hopefully

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,07:52)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2012,10:17) Ed, I agree that SCRIPTURE doesn't call any human being an “ANGEL”.  But then, SCRIPTURE doesn't use the word “ANGEL” at all.  Scripture only uses the words “malak”, which means MESSENGER, and “aggelos”, which means MESSENGER. Hi Mike, Yes Angel is the English word for Angelic beings. And messenger is the English word for one who brings messages. I see we are all in agreement on the specifics now. I hope our discussion has helped those readers unfamiliar with this issue. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

I did not need your confusion ,argument to understand this ,it is common knowledge not a secret or need of special understanding

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

humans are not called Angels; and you know that
T8 has not proved that they are called Angels either.

For him to do that: the word for Angel would have to be
used as a noun, and in reference to a human being.              …this he has not done.

If he or Mike would provide such evidence,
then I would agree that they are called Angels.          …but no evidence in this regard has been provided by either of them.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Are multiple types of beings called angels… No.

[Ed J]

To suggest they are, is to play games with words.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,09:46)

Hi Pierre, humans are not called Angels; and you know that T8 has not proved that they are called Angels either. For him to do that: the word for Angel would have to be used as a noun, and in reference to a human being.              …this he has not done. If he or Mike would provide such evidence, then I would agree that they are called Angels.          …but no evidence in this regard has been provided by either of them. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

I have answered this already ,go back on page 10 and see

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:29)

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:21) Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J EDJ angel or messenger are not names they are only names in actions ,like a being can have his personal name what ever that may be but yet be called and angel or messenger , so it becomes a name as per its function and act of someone , Clueless, huh? edj carpenter ,plumber,are names only to those who practice those trades, but all of them have names other than being carpenter or plumber , and they could be female or male the trade name does not identify the sex, just has you would call some one “safety or watch guard” ,those are also given to dogs, so what is your point here??? Quote Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans.

Hi Pierre,

This conversation indicates that you did NOT know what I was talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,12:17)

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:21) Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J EDJ angel or messenger are not names they are only names in actions ,like a being can have his personal name what ever that may be but yet be called and angel or messenger , so it becomes a name as per its function and act of someone , Clueless, huh? edj carpenter ,plumber,are names only to those who practice those trades, but all of them have names other than being carpenter or plumber , and they could be female or male the trade name does not identify the sex, just has you would call some one “safety or watch guard” ,those are also given to dogs, so what is your point here??? Quote Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. Hi Pierre, This conversation indicates that you did NOT know what I was talking about. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

this was my coment I was talking about ;

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terraricca   Group: Regular Members Posts: 14132 Joined: Oct. 2009 Posted: June 26 2012,22:32 Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,13:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. Ed, I'm not sure what you're even asking for, or where you're heading with this, but it seems to me that if YOU have scriptural information to refute what t8 and I have shown on this subject, then YOU should produce that information. If you don't, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, without being able to actually refute what we have shown.  And if that is the case, I will start calling you Nick Jr. Hi Mike, The point is simple: the (Hebrew/Greek) word needs to be used as a noun and in reference to humans. Or else I contest what you are saying too: calling humans Angels would then “NOT” be accurate. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org your comment is only valid on the assumption that you are referring to angel beings only,and so clarified in the context ————–

no men his a angel being or spirit being ,this does not take a big brain,but if thier name angel means MESSENGER then men also have been called by that name .because of the function

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,09:46)

If he or Mike would provide such evidence, then I would agree that they are called Angels.          …but no evidence in this regard has been provided by either of them.

Hi Ed,

I never set out to prove that human beings were spirit beings.  And I don't think t8 set out to prove that either.  He was saying that human beings have been called “malak” and “aggelos” – words that are often translated into English as “angel”.

The point I was trying to make is that since the English word “angel” refers to a spirit messenger of God, then Jesus is, by that definition, an “angel”, because, as you yourself agree, he has been both a human messenger of God AND a spirit messenger of God.

In short, if a spirit messenger of God is an angel, then Jesus is an angel.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike: the bible is very specific: Jesus was NOT an Angel.

Past  “I came out from God” (John 16:27)

Present  “For verily he took not on him the [form] of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.” (Heb 2:16)

Future  “For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.” (Heb 2:5)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2012,08:58)

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,09:46) If he or Mike would provide such evidence, then I would agree that they are called Angels.          …but no evidence in this regard has been provided by either of them. For him to do that: the word for Angel would have to be used as a noun, and in reference to a human being.              …this he has not done Hi Ed, I never set out to prove that human beings were spirit beings.  And I don't think t8 set out to prove that either.  He was saying that human beings have been called “malak” and “aggelos” – words that are often translated into English as “angel”. The point I was trying to make is that since the English word “angel” refers to a spirit messenger of God, then Jesus is, by that definition, an “angel”, because, as you yourself agree, he has been both a human messenger of God AND a spirit messenger of God. In short, if a spirit messenger of God is an angel, then Jesus is an angel.

Hi Mike,

I agree Jesus was a messenger.
But I disagree he was 'called an Angel'.      

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,16:14)

Hi Mike, I agree Jesus was a messenger. But I disagree he was 'called an Angel'.

It doesn't really matter if you agree or not, Ed. If English translators substituted the word “angel” for the word “messenger” in cases where they were convinced that the messenger in question was a SPIRIT messenger, then according to those very translators, all SPIRIT messengers were “angels”.

You agree that Jesus IS a spirit messenger, and therefore, according to the terminology of the English translators, an “angel”.

Do you understand this? So whether or not you agree, if Jesus is a spirit messenger of God, then Jesus is an “angel” of God, because angel simply means “spirit messenger”.

Take your “Past” and “Present” scriptures from the previous page, and replace the word “angel” with the correct word “messenger”.

Here are the same verses in Young's Literal Translation:

Heb 2:16
16for, doubtless, of messengers it doth not lay hold, but of seed of Abraham it layeth hold,

Heb 2:5
5For not to messengers did He subject the coming world, concerning which we speak,

See? Since you can't use those scriptures to prove that Jesus is not a MESSENGER, you likewise cannot use them to prove he is not an ANGEL, or SPIRIT MESSENGER.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

So you disagree with the “AKJV Bible” then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,16:10)

Hi Mike: the bible is very specific: Jesus was NOT an Angel. Past  “I came out from God” (John 16:27) Present  “For verily he took not on him the [form] of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.” (Heb 2:16) Future  “For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.” (Heb 2:5) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Present “For verily he took not on him the [form] of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.” (Heb 2:16)

how can you say that it is the PRESENT when Paul was talking on a past event ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,17:22)

Hi Mike, So you disagree with the “AKJV Bible” then?

Ed,

Do YOU disagree with the FACTS of this matter?  The words ALWAYS mean “messenger”.  And if we are going to CHANGE the word to “angel” whenever a SPIRIT messenger of God is mentioned, then we must also include Jesus in that term, for he is most definitely a SPIRIT messenger of God.

The AKJV has nothing to do with it.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2012,10:45)

The words ALWAYS mean “messenger”.

Not so.

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed.

Aggelos:
1. Human messenger
2. Spirit messenger

Malak:
1. Human messenger
2. Spirit messenger

Do you have more definitions to add?

[Ed J]

Not add, but subtract – in more term – I will define them correctly…

מַלְאָך malak: ambassador, angel, king, messenger

ἄγγελος aggelos: angel, messenger.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

1. Spirit being.               …NOUN
2. YHVH's message.       …ADJECTIVE

Do you have more definitions to add?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

“Message” is a noun, Ed. (Person, Place or Thing)

And unless you have any EVIDENCE to refute my findings as shown on this thread, I will leave you to your beliefs.

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