Are multiple types of beings called angels

[mikeboll64]

I see in Luke 20:36, there is a form of aggelos that is used only once in scripture. It is listed as an adjective, and is traslated “like the angels” or “equal to the angels” in most translations.

But Young's Literal Translation has:
Young's Literal Translation
for neither are they able to die any more — for they are like messengers — and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.

So I found one…………… now what?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Please show examples where those words
are used as a noun and referring to humans.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,13:14)

Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J

Hi Mike,

It is the difference between being called an Angel or merely angeling.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike or T8,

Without a noun reference, saying Humans are called angels is inaccurate.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Break loose with the goods.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:14)

Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

angel or messenger are not names they are only names in actions ,like a being can have his personal name what ever that may be but yet be called and angel or messenger ,

so it becomes a name as per its function and act of someone ,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:21)

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ angel or messenger are not names they are only names in actions ,like a being can have his personal name what ever that may be but yet be called and angel or messenger , so it becomes a name as per its function and act of someone ,

Clueless, huh?

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

In case you weren't paying attention to our discussion, it is a FACT that the Hebrew word “malak” and the Greek word “aggelos” simply mean “messenger”. Both words apply to human messengers and “messengers from heaven”, which are mentioned in both the OT and the NT.

Do you deny this fact?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:21)

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2012,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ angel or messenger are not names they are only names in actions ,like a being can have his personal name what ever that may be but yet be called and angel or messenger , so it becomes a name as per its function and act of someone , Clueless, huh?

edj

carpenter ,plumber,are names only to those who practice those trades,

but all of them have names other than being carpenter or plumber ,

and they could be female or male the trade name does not identify the sex,

just has you would call some one “safety or watch guard” ,those are also given to dogs,

so what is your point here???

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Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,20:14)

Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans.

Ed,

I'm not sure what you're even asking for, or where you're heading with this, but it seems to me that if YOU have scriptural information to refute what t8 and I have shown on this subject, then YOU should produce that information.

If you don't, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, without being able to actually refute what we have shown.  And if that is the case, I will start calling you Nick Jr.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,13:27)

Ed, In case you weren't paying attention to our discussion, it is a FACT that the Hebrew word “malak” and the Greek word “aggelos” simply mean “messenger”.  Both words apply to human messengers and “messengers from heaven”, which are mentioned in both the OT and the NT. Do you deny this fact?

Hi Mike, here is the issue…

Without a noun reference, saying Humans are called angels is inaccurate.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,13:14)

Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. God bless Ed J

Hi Mike,

Break loose with the goods.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,13:33)

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. Ed, I'm not sure what you're even asking for, or where you're heading with this, but it seems to me that if YOU have scriptural information to refute what t8 and I have shown on this subject, then YOU should produce that information. If you don't, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, without being able to actually refute what we have shown.  And if that is the case, I will start calling you Nick Jr.

Hi Mike,

The point is simple: the (Hebrew/Greek) word needs to be used as a noun and in reference to humans.
Or else I contest what you are saying too: calling humans Angels would then “NOT” be accurate.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,20:44)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,13:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,20:14) Hi Mike, Please show examples where those words are used as a noun and referring to humans. Ed, I'm not sure what you're even asking for, or where you're heading with this, but it seems to me that if YOU have scriptural information to refute what t8 and I have shown on this subject, then YOU should produce that information. If you don't, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, without being able to actually refute what we have shown.  And if that is the case, I will start calling you Nick Jr. Hi Mike, The point is simple: the (Hebrew/Greek) word needs to be used as a noun and in reference to humans. Or else I contest what you are saying too: calling humans Angels would then “NOT” be accurate. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

your comment is only valid on the assumption that you are referring to angel beings only,and so clarified in the context

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2012,15:57)

Hi T8 and Mike, I'm not satisfied you've proven what you set out to. Let me explain what I mean. If the Greek word or the Hebrew equivalent is used as an adjective when referring to people, then you have not proved your case. Only if it is used as a noun. Looking forward to your further investigation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ, you could easily look this up yourself and then pose a challenge to us if our conclusion was found wanting.

But since you prefer us to do it, then ask yourself if Haggai 1:13 is used as a noun or adjective:
Then spake Haggai the LORD'S messenger in the LORD'S message unto the people, saying, I am with you, saith the LORD

Then consider the the prophet Malachi, whose own name was framed to express that he was “the Lord's messenger”. While pondering that, take a look at Malachi 2:7:
“For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction–because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty.

These prophets stood between God and man and gave men the message of God. These ones that gave the message are rightly called the Messengers/angels/malak of God.

Yes Mal`akiy was a mal'ak, so was Haggai (Chaggay).

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

Looks like it is used as an adjective in both of those cases.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

Here's the distinction I see,
which makes them different…

1) class of being <– Noun
2) carrying a message <– adjective

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

1) He is an Angel
2) He was angeling

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

As far as I know: the bible really doesn't call humans Angels.
But rather that humans are angeling(delivering a message).
Produce a verse where a human is called an Angel(Noun)?           …this would prove your case

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

I get the felling that you have a predefined belief you are trying to protect. Anyway look at the following:

Haggai 1:3
Then came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,…

Haggai 1:13
Then spake Haggai the LORD'S messenger in…

Is your point about Haggai angeling on par with Haggai propheteering? You could check that out if this challenges your belief.

Anyway Ed, this only rose out of the topic “The Angel of the LORD”. Let's say for argument sake that it is an adjective, then that means mentions of the Angel of the LORD or other angels could be adjective too.

My point is that men and heavenly beings can be described as angels/messengers in the same way.

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