Are multiple types of beings called angels

[Proclaimer]

Sorry it is a conflict because men have been called angels by John.
And you say that men cannot be called angels.
Yet we have tried to prove to you that angel/messenger/malak can be applied to both.
How many more ways do we need to prove this obvious fact before you decide to actually embrace reality?

Like I said before, your defense for your precious doctrines are found wanting.
And to make up for the lack you shout it out or say it with as much authority as possible.

I don't mind if you are wrong and humble. But when you are wrong and then defend your error in any way possible even to the extent as to make the truth suffer, then I will expose such behaviour because it is not becoming of a man of God and such behavour is to be shunned.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,23:54)

Sorry it is a conflict because men have been called angels by John.

Where? Produce the goods.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,23:54)

How many more ways do we need to prove this obvious fact before you decide to actually embrace reality?

I'm still waiting for you to do this.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:33)

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,22:02) The point here Ed J is that the use for malak is almost balanced when it comes to heavenly beings and men and the word aggelos is mostly heavenly beings. This could be the case because the Old Testament has lots of writings from the prophets who were malak whereas the New Testament is srot of different because it contains eye witness accounts and letters, and the Book of Revelation which is more akin to the prophets of old like Ezekiel and Daniel. It could also be that aggelos has a more specific meaning than malak even though malak that is quoted in the New Testament uses the word aggelos. Apparently the Greek version of the Old Testament uses the word aggelos in the place of malak. So my first point to ponder is that men who are called malak is numerous. Almost as numerous and heavenly beings who are called malak. This does not disprove your view, but is certainly not helping your view. I will post again. Hi T8, my view is: Men are NOT called Angels (as you are proclaiming), they deliver a message. While Angelic beings are being described by the Hebrew word מַלְאָך malak.                  …this is not that complicated. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

It is not about YOUR VIEW, it is about bible truth when will you understand this

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23)

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,22:01) Quote (david @ June 30 2012,18:25) Ed, thanks for proving how silly that sounded in Greek. My Greek is more than limited, so I immediately looked up this word: Άγγελοι:  “angel” or “messenger/envoy.” So, in Greek, you said that “humans are not called [Άγγελοι] Does the word “messenger(s)” appear in your Bible ed?  Does it ever apply to “humans”?  If so, case closed. I agree david. But Ed does not, so it is time to disprove his theory as to why he thinks the way he does here. And it would be good to know why he is doing this. I suspect he has a pet doctrine that he is trying to hold onto or perhaps he is just trying to reconcile some NT verses that speak of angels as definitely being of the Heavenly kind only. Whatever the case, he came in all guns blazing and gave an appearance of confidence in his view. Yet when challenged, it was plain to see that his bark was far worse than his bite. In other words, he had scant evidence for his view, yet trumped it up in order to scare away any other view. His lack of evidence coupled with confidence should certainly be a worry for him at least. But he also does this with his number theory and other doctrines too. I just find his reasons for many doctrines he holds to are weak or even plain wrong. And I am not in the business of crucifying people when they are wrong, but I will voice my disgust at people who shout their doctrines from the roof tops and yet have very little substance. To me that is a bit deceptive because they are trying to get you to believe them based on the way they are acting and you only see the real reasons for what they believe when you take them to the Supreme Court (Hot Seat). I am afraid to say that this was the case with Nick too in this matter. Quite a tapestry of words you have put together here, T8. You take your spin on the facts, add some imagined conspiracy theories, and paint a dark picture. But that is NOT the way it is at all. There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings, and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH.                       …amazing how the simple gets complicated to some God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

I did not see any of the scriptures that proves your personal view,

So be free to show us ,me,

Talk is cheap ,and vanish but written words remain

[mikeboll64]

Ed, what exactly are angels in your view?  Are they not spirit messengers of God who are mighty beings and are called “sons of God” in Job?

Is Jesus not all of these things?

This is the definition of “malak” you have posted in part:
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a
prophet, priest or teacher):-ambassador, angel, king,
messenger.

It seems that a spirit messenger of God is an angel.  Is Jesus not a spirit messenger of God?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,01:48)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings, and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH.                       …amazing how the simple gets complicated to some God bless Ed J Edj I did not see any of the scriptures that proves your personal view, So be free to show us ,me, Talk is cheap ,and vanish but written words remain

Hi Pierre, here…

מַלְאָך malak: ambassador, angel, king, messenger

ἄγγελος aggelos: angel, messenger.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:01)

Ed, what exactly are angels in your view?  Are they not spirit messengers of God who are mighty beings and are called “sons of God” in Job? Is Jesus not all of these things? This is the definition of “malak” you have posted in part: from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):-ambassador, angel, king, messenger. It seems that a spirit messenger of God is an angel.  Is Jesus not a spirit messenger of God?

Angels are spirit beings.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,01:43)

Edj It is not about YOUR VIEW, it is about bible truth when will you understand this

When are you going to understand this?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:01) Ed, what exactly are angels in your view?  Are they not spirit messengers of God who are mighty beings and are called “sons of God” in Job? Is Jesus not all of these things? This is the definition of “malak” you have posted in part: from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):-ambassador, angel, king, messenger. It seems that a spirit messenger of God is an angel.  Is Jesus not a spirit messenger of God? Angels are spirit beings.

God is a spirit being. Is HE an angel? Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,09:24)

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,01:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings, and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH.                       …amazing how the simple gets complicated to some God bless Ed J Edj I did not see any of the scriptures that proves your personal view, So be free to show us ,me, Talk is cheap ,and vanish but written words remain Hi Pierre, here… מַלְאָך malak: ambassador, angel, king, messenger ἄγγελος aggelos: angel, messenger. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

we ,have told you that angel mean MESSENGER and so can apply to both angels of God = messengers of God ,and messengers of the words of God = men

tell did any of the angels of God ever delivered a message to men I mean many so that the message that they deliver has to be written down for future generations ???or was it always to men in particular,

see to me I understand it this way;angels (messengers of God) are send to men with the messages then the man that recieved it becomes now the messenger of God message to men ,and so they are but both messengers (angels)

BUT THE FIRST ONE HIS NOT A MAN HE HIS SPIRIT BEING ONLY THE OTHER HIS MAN.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25) Angels are spirit beings. God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God?

Hi Mike,

If God delivers a message does he become an Angel?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

The bottom line is: men are not called Angels;

T8 says they are in John, but he has
yet to produce the goods.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,03:11)

edj we ,have told you that angel mean MESSENGER and so can apply to both angels of God = messengers of God ,and messengers of the words of God = men tell did any of the angels of God ever delivered a message to men I mean many so that the message that they deliver has to be written down for future generations ???or was it always to men in particular, see to me I understand it this way;angels (messengers of God) are send to men with the messages then the man that recieved it becomes now the messenger of God message to men ,and so they are but both messengers (angels) BUT THE FIRST ONE HIS NOT A MAN HE HIS SPIRIT BEING ONLY THE OTHER HIS MAN.

What are you saying?

Messengers are messengers of God and men are messengers of God?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,10:49)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25) Angels are spirit beings. God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God? Hi Mike, If God delivers a message does he become an Angel? God bless Ed J

Yes Ed. If Jehovah God delivered a message for HIS OWN GOD, then He would be an angel of that God. Why play games, Ed?

Do you deny that angels are spirit messengers OF GOD? It seemed like you agreed with that at one point during this discussion. And it seems that your motto is “Always seek agreement”.

So what gives? Why are you now being disagreeable just to be disagreeable?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,10:49)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25) Angels are spirit beings. God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God? Hi Mike, If God delivers a message does he become an Angel? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

God his God he does not do the delivry

not with having 200 0000000 angels

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,03:58)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,10:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25) Angels are spirit beings. God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God? Hi Mike, If God delivers a message does he become an Angel? God bless Ed J Yes Ed.  If Jehovah God delivered a message for HIS OWN GOD, then He would be an angel of that God.  Why play games, Ed?   Do you deny that angels are spirit messengers OF GOD?  It seemed like you agreed with that at one point during this discussion.  And it seems that your motto is “Always seek agreement”. So what gives?  Why are you now being disagreeable just to be disagreeable?

Hi Mike,

Why are you playing games with words?
Angels don't always deliver messages.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,11:04)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,03:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,10:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25) Angels are spirit beings. God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God? Hi Mike, If God delivers a message does he become an Angel? God bless Ed J Yes Ed.  If Jehovah God delivered a message for HIS OWN GOD, then He would be an angel of that God.  Why play games, Ed?   Do you deny that angels are spirit messengers OF GOD?  It seemed like you agreed with that at one point during this discussion.  And it seems that your motto is “Always seek agreement”. So what gives?  Why are you now being disagreeable just to be disagreeable?   Hi Mike, Why are you playing games with words? Angels don't always deliver messages. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

like what be more specific

[Ed J]

Do you disagree?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,11:11)

Do you disagree?

edj

you have left an open question ,so answer

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