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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,12:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2013,20:03) EDJ. I am saying that he is part of God.
No, he is the Son of God.
Mike B.He was not the Son before he was made flesh,
but the word of God.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 01 2013,09:34) Mike B. Gene said that we ought not worship Jesus.
On the contrary; we must worship Jesus,for he is God,his WORD.
How can you NOT worship Gods WORD,and say you are worshipping God?How can you say ;you are worshipping God but not.follow his commandments,his WORD?
The word is as Holy and powerful as the owner.
Scripture says that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW IN FRONT OF HIM. This is not just hounour;but worship.Example. When John kneeled down in front of the angel; the angel said ; you must never do that; worship God.
Now how do we worship God? By worshipping his WORD,sent to us as a mediator,By God.God commanded his angels to worship his son.
The bible is called THE HOLY BIBLE; WHY?BECAUSE IT CONTAINS GODS WORDS.
JESUS IS EQUAL IN POWER TO HIS GOD,ONLY BECAUSE THAT POWER IS GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS GOD,AND ALSO HIS FATHER. BUT JESUS IS STILL NOT THE FATHER,HE DEPENDS ON HIS FATHER,AND HE WORSHIPS HIS FATHER.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Are you saying Jesus is another person, or God?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.God can make the stones to glorify him ;if he wants to.
He also can bring out his Word in the shape of a Being.
He did bring him down to the world ,born out of a woman.He came out of of God, he was inside of God.
God is one and can do all these things.wakeup.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 18 2013,05:26) Premise 1: The WHOLE redeemed creation worships the Father AND the Lamb.
Premise 2: Anti-trinitarians do NOT worship the Lamb.
Conclusion: Therefore, anti-trinitarians are NOT members of the redeemed creation.
KJ, we are judged by every word that comes out of our mouth. I assume that includes every letter that comes from our keyboard too.We do worship/honour the Lamb. We honour him as the lamb. We also worship/honour the son of God. We honour him as the son.
We also worship/honour the Father as God.See that wasn't hard. So obviously your whole argument is wrong.
But here is the thing. If God is with me and it is he who has done the miracles in my life, yet according to you, I cannot be of the redeemed, then the only conclusion is that these were not the work of God but the Devil who poses as an angel of light.
I certainly wouldn't want that charge against me when my life was reviewed. What charge is that? Where someone by reason of their teaching infers that God's work is of the Devil. And that any of God's sons are also sons of the Devil.
That is a bad move. If you spoke evil of my son, I would chastise you for that. How much more will God chastise those who speak evil of his children?
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2013,14:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,12:42) Hi Wakeup, Are you saying Jesus is another person, or God?
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.He came out of of God, he was inside of God.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Then we agree once again!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2013,15:57)
KJ, we are judged by every word that comes out of our mouth. I assume that includes every letter that comes from our keyboard too.We do worship/honour the Lamb. We honour him as the lamb. We also worship/honour the son of God. We honour him as the son.
We also worship/honour the Father as God.See that wasn't hard. So obviously your whole argument is wrong.
Hi T8,Excellent, I agree completely!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,21:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,12:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2013,20:03) EDJ. I am saying that he is part of God.
No, he is the Son of God.
Mike B.He was not the Son before he was made flesh,
but the word of God.wakeup.
That statement is flawed on so many levels, Wakeup.First of all, God is unique and immutable. Something that was “a part of God” cannot become someONE who is no longer God.
Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?Who was the aforementioned Son of God BEFORE Jesus was made flesh, Wakeup?
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Who was speaking in this above verse? Was it Jesus? Or was it the “part of God” that became flesh?
John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.Who came down from heaven to do the will of God? Jesus? Or the “part of God” that became flesh?
Colossians 1
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Read the bolded parts, Wakeup. Do they fit with “part of God”? Was “a part of God” God's “firstborn”? Were all things created by God through “a part of God”? Is “a part of God” the head of the church? Is “a part of God” the firstborn from among the dead – meaning that “a part of God” died?
And finally, who does verse 13 say these words are about? “A part of God”? Or God's Son?
If verse 13 says “God's Son”, then it was God's Son through whom all things were created. Now that's a pretty hard feat to accomplish if God's Son didn't even exist until AFTER those things were created.
Wakeup, I could go on and on – which I will if you ever agree to the private discussion I have been requesting. You bring your buddies Devo and journey, and I'll bring my buddy t8. We can start at the beginning, and scripturally sort this thing out.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,04:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,21:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,12:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2013,20:03) EDJ. I am saying that he is part of God.
No, he is the Son of God.
Mike B.He was not the Son before he was made flesh,
but the word of God.wakeup.
That statement is flawed on so many levels, Wakeup.First of all, God is unique and immutable. Something that was “a part of God” cannot become someONE who is no longer God.
Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?Who was the aforementioned Son of God BEFORE Jesus was made flesh, Wakeup?
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Who was speaking in this above verse? Was it Jesus? Or was it the “part of God” that became flesh?
John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.Who came down from heaven to do the will of God? Jesus? Or the “part of God” that became flesh?
Colossians 1
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Read the bolded parts, Wakeup. Do they fit with “part of God”? Was “a part of God” God's “firstborn”? Were all things created by God through “a part of God”? Is “a part of God” the head of the church? Is “a part of God” the firstborn from among the dead – meaning that “a part of God” died?
And finally, who does verse 13 say these words are about? “A part of God”? Or God's Son?
If verse 13 says “God's Son”, then it was God's Son through whom all things were created. Now that's a pretty hard feat to accomplish if God's Son didn't even exist until AFTER those things were created.
Wakeup, I could go on and on – which I will if you ever agree to the private discussion I have been requesting. You bring your buddies Devo and journey, and I'll bring my buddy t8. We can start at the beginning, and scripturally sort this thing out.
Hi Mike,The part that was God always remains God,
Jesus was (in the flesh) 50% God you know!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,04:19) Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Hi Mike,That verse does not say Jesus was some being other than God
in a preexistant form; DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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