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Question to all of those who are anti-trine… idk how to spell it…
I would really like to understand two things?
Of two scriptures, and i hope that ya dont take it as myself being agressive, or antagonizing ya.I really would like to know your interpretation of two scriptures. and compare with others if you like.
John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
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So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
I know that Later he says that the Father is greater than him, but of course he is at that current limited state of humanity.
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Second about the Holy SpiritJohn 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”
Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?
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Beside that… can we please pray and ask God for his input as your making your conclusions.Is it possible for us to be wrong? as in me being a human being can i be wrong?
As in individual can you be Wrong?
Hi SF,
“the Father and I..”
That makes two.
If you look at Jn17 you will see Jesus praying for his brothers that they would have the same unity with God that he has.They were never God so why would you think it means he is?
Jesus taught that the Spirit would not teach new things but would teach his brothers from the sacred Word.
Ever since men have accepted new teachings like trinity as if they were valid but they are not.
If you want fellowship with the Father and the son you must abide in the Word[2Jn9]Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,07:22) Hi SF,
“the Father and I..”
That makes two.
If you look at Jn17 you will see Jesus praying for his brothers that they would have the same unity with God that he has.They were never God so why would you think it means he is?
Jesus taught that the Spirit would not teach new things but would teach his brothers from the sacred Word.
Ever since men have accepted new teachings like trinity as if they were valid but they are not.
If you want fellowship with the Father and the son you must abide in the Word[2Jn9]
But i dont understanding,THere are mentioned two being one! why are you ignoring the second part?
You literally divided the verse!! dude really im actually really intrested in your input but not like that.
Your telling me to believe, and im very open abotu it, but how can i believe anything that you say if you have do such things like that?
Anti-trins: do ya really hold Nick views equal to your owns? Or do you love how he atagonizes other people who he says that are lost, yet making no intent to save them!
IF i am lost! Show me the WAY!!! why would you put me down!!
Where is Christ love in you!!!! when there are souls that cry out and say CAN SOMEONE SAVE ME!!
beside what is said,
i didnt mention Trinity or anything, im asking what is the scripture saying.
Do you love me brother?
Hi SF,
Why did you not read Jn17?First we need to pull down speculations raised against the truth.[2Cor 10, 1tim1]
Building on sand or other's foundations is useless.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,07:35) Hi SF,
Why did you not read Jn17?First we need to pull down speculations raised against the truth.[2Cor 10, 1tim1]
Building on sand or other's foundations is useless.
Who said i didnt read it?
I did!Explain it to me!
Quote (thethinker @ May 14 2010,07:39) Simplyforgiven, Welcome! Be advised that Nick is not interested in the truth.
thinker
Oh I know,=)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,08:27) Hi SF,
What do you not understand?
Your whole position is not understandableExplain it
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,08:42) Hi SF,
Seek the Spirit.[lk11]
Look beyond the vessels to what is important.
Than how can you say im wrong? or lost?Hi SF,
Being right or wrong has little to do with being lost or saved.
Seek the kingdom first and everything else will be added to you.[Mt6]
Focussing on knowledge only adds to the problems if answers found are not acted on.Ok but thats my point exactly, that this is between being lost and saved.
than you agree with me, being right or wrong has lil to do with it,
Letting God be right is the only way.
So now what, i see you commonly tell other people that they are wrong
so i dont understand how you can tell people they are wrong, yet offer no basis.Thats what i dont understand
Scripture says for us to PREACH THE GOSPEL so that they can believe
How can you be silent, as people go to hell?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,09:04) Scripture says for us to PREACH THE GOSPEL so that they can believe How can you be silent, as people go to hell?
SFbefore you can teach you have to learn ,learn what is true and what is not true ,the truth is Gods word but you have to read and understand it ask questions and pray and put to practice the things you have understood if you do not your truth you have learn will not stand in time.
you also have to get rid of all false teachings like the trinity
and other idols,all this as you move along your study of the scriptures.Pierre
SF…….Seek the Spirit of Truth and (IT) will (reveal the truth to you, be careful of some scriptures and things some say they have been tampered with by Man. But the Spirit (OF TRUTH) will guide you into (ALL truth). It is not of Man but of GOD given to His Childern. Remember what Jesus said, GOD (reveals) the truth in our minds, and that was the (POWER) He would build the Church ON. “NO YOU NOT YOU SHALL (ALL) BE TAUGHT (BY) GOD”. Those who have GOD Spirit of Truth in them can not be decieved because of the Spirit (INTELLECT) of truth (IN) them it is (not possible) for them to be decieved.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2010,11:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,09:04) Scripture says for us to PREACH THE GOSPEL so that they can believe How can you be silent, as people go to hell?
SFbefore you can teach you have to learn ,learn what is true and what is not true ,the truth is Gods word but you have to read and understand it ask questions and pray and put to practice the things you have understood if you do not your truth you have learn will not stand in time.
you also have to get rid of all false teachings like the trinity
and other idols,all this as you move along your study of the scriptures.Pierre
What does that relate to what im saying.Your not understanding my point.
If someone makes statements and points about God, and than say they have the truth, yet are not worried about those who dont have the truth than there is something wrong there.
What does the Trinity got to do with what im saying.
I cant stand it when you tell me. well you have to believe because i said so. Thats basically what everyone does who makes a direct statement or comment and yet make no validation, or have any claims to back it up.I mean express your self.
Thats the point!
If you believe im going to hell, and you say you love God, what would stop you (other than forcing me), from trying to help me.Why would you only stop with direct comments with no explanation or any infactuation for my soul.
Where is the love with that.
Its like ya assume im hanging from the bridge, because i dont have the truth, ok, so if you have the rope to pull me in why wouldnt you use it?
Bc Jesus is the Rope, and all you have to do is Preach.
Thats my point.
You someone repeat what im saying pls!?
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