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WJ,
you WANT to misinterpret what I say to denude the truth.
I didn't say that – YOU said that I said that.
I said: “Why would God Almighty want to become of of his own creation”
WJ, be a scientist and create a Robot and then take yourself into the body of that Robot – what happens – when you come back – analyse the result:
– You have restricted movement,
– Restricted thought
– Eat OIL for food
– Depend on an elctricity source for energy
– Get kicked around by children who possess, even as newnorn infants, more sense than you (…. …)
– Get Dogs peeing on your vitals
– You only good for Walking up and down stairs carrying a tray of glaases filled with acid liquid that you daren't spill for the amusement of some techies like your former self (Now you see the humiliation)
– what else…
Then you think how glorious it is to be a human being (Phew – back to normal…!!)Oh, I menat to say something to you about “Can, Will, Could, Couldn't, Shouldn't, Wouldn't, Won't, Can't, Mustn't, Doesn't, Didn't” or was it TT?
One of you remind me, please:– Jesus Can Sin (Present Possible)
– Jesus Does Sin (Present Definite)
– Jesus May Have Sinned (Past Possible)
– Jesus Could Sin (Future Probable)– Jesus Can't Sin? (Present Definite)
– Jesus Couldn't Sin? (Past Definite)– Jesus Won't Sin? (Future Hopeful)
– Jesus Doesn't Sin? (Present Perfect)– Jesus Wouldn't Sin? (Future Hopeful)
– Jesus Didn't Sin? (Past Perfect)Is “Can't sin” the same as “Wouldn't sin”
Jesus CAN sin but he Won't (Because he knows the awful consequences of what would happen if he did) – this is FREE WILL
Jesus Can't Sin (This is not FREE WILL)
Jesus Can't be tempted (This defeats the object of having temptation and testing – it proves nothing – it warrants nothing)
Jesus Cab Sin but doesn't
Hmmm – seem to remember I already had that one last night – it was really late (or early?) for me (1:45am or the like in UK)Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,03:47) Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,02:59) Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,01:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2010,21:02) The Thinker & MikeBolt, Romans 8:17 does not appear to be the best scripture to solve a debate as experts in Greek disagree on the exact wording. Arguing over it will get you nowhere. Why don't you look elsewhere for a solution to your disagreement if there is one.
For example I agree with The Thinker that Jesus is still a human being since 1 Timothy 2:5 states just that. I would anyways as scriture states Jesus was resurected and not transformed into a different type of being.
Resurected means returned to life.
KWJesus is no longer a human being.that is a fact.
wen his purpose to fulfill the works of God on earth was done he stopped to be a human ,he only became human for that purpose.
after dead he regain his position that he ad before he came as human.read the scriptures and understand them.
t,
Your view is ANATHEMA! Jesus is still the “IMAGE OF GOD.” This means that He is still a man though not in flesh like before. He is a glorified man.thinker
TTthat's what you saying ,were is it says that Christ is still human ??
and why should Christ lost his image of the living God he is his son,does the son ,not reflect the image of the father???no matter were he go's and what he does.
did he was the image of his father the first day he was begotten as the WORD,??
Gibberish. He was not begotten as the Word. He was the eternal Word who became flesh. Then He became Son at His resurrection. Read pages 5-10 on the debate between me and Mike.If Jesus is still the image of God then He is still a man.
terraricca:
Quote and why should Christ lost his image of the living God he is his son,does the son ,not reflect the image of the father???no matter were he go's and what he does.
Agreed. But being the image of God necessarily makes Him a man nevertheless. Paul said that He was the “Man from heaven.” The difference was that He did not have flesh until He was born of a woman. He put off that flesh and is now a glorified man once again. One day we will be conformed to His image.thinker
Terraricca wrote:
Quote Paul did not say that Christ still is a man ,he said that the mediator was the man who came as Jesus Christ .
That is not how the English language is language is structured. The English clearly tells us clearly that Jesus the Anointed is the man who mediates between mankind and God. There is no “was” or “who came as” even inferred or implied in the sentence.
Perhaps you believe that we would already “know” that Paul was not speaking literally and is instead using “man” in the sentence so we would know which Jesus the Anointed he was speaking of or some other such reason you have not put into words.
I on the other hand see no other reason to mention “man” than to let us know Jesus is still a human being just as we are but raised up from the dead in a new incorruptible body.
Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,15:56) WJ, you WANT to misinterpret what I say to denude the truth.
I didn't say that – YOU said that I said that.
I said: “Why would God Almighty want to become of of his own creation”
WJ, be a scientist and create a Robot and then take yourself into the body of that Robot – what happens – when you come back – analyse the result:
– You have restricted movement,
– Restricted thought
– Eat OIL for food
– Depend on an elctricity source for energy
– Get kicked around by children who possess, even as newnorn infants, more sense than you (…. …)
– Get Dogs peeing on your vitals
– You only good for Walking up and down stairs carrying a tray of glaases filled with acid liquid that you daren't spill for the amusement of some techies like your former self (Now you see the humiliation)
– what else…
Then you think how glorious it is to be a human being (Phew – back to normal…!!)Oh, I menat to say something to you about “Can, Will, Could, Couldn't, Shouldn't, Wouldn't, Won't, Can't, Mustn't, Doesn't, Didn't” or was it TT?
One of you remind me, please:– Jesus Can Sin (Present Possible)
– Jesus Does Sin (Present Definite)
– Jesus May Have Sinned (Past Possible)
– Jesus Could Sin (Future Probable)– Jesus Can't Sin? (Present Definite)
– Jesus Couldn't Sin? (Past Definite)– Jesus Won't Sin? (Future Hopeful)
– Jesus Doesn't Sin? (Present Perfect)– Jesus Wouldn't Sin? (Future Hopeful)
– Jesus Didn't Sin? (Past Perfect)Is “Can't sin” the same as “Wouldn't sin”
Jesus CAN sin but he Won't (Because he knows the awful consequences of what would happen if he did) – this is FREE WILL
Jesus Can't Sin (This is not FREE WILL)
Jesus Can't be tempted (This defeats the object of having temptation and testing – it proves nothing – it warrants nothing)
Jesus Cab Sin but doesn't
Hmmm – seem to remember I already had that one last night – it was really late (or early?) for me (1:45am or the like in UK)
LiesJesus can't sin because if he did then every prophesy made of him right down to the promise that his Kingdom would never end would be a lie, and we know that God cannot lie!
Let God be true and every man a liar!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,15:56) WJ, you WANT to misinterpret what I say to denude the truth.
I didn't say that – YOU said that I said that.
Funny. Those were your words that Angels could take on human form!Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,15:56) WJ, be a scientist and create a Robot and then take yourself into the body of that Robot – what happens – when you come back – analyse the result:
– You have restricted movement,
Sounds like what Jesus did in Phil 2:6-8, when he emptied himself and came in the likeness of sinful flesh!Why do you not think the Word that was with God and was God loved you enough to do that?
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,08:04) Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,03:47) Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,02:59) Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,01:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2010,21:02) The Thinker & MikeBolt, Romans 8:17 does not appear to be the best scripture to solve a debate as experts in Greek disagree on the exact wording. Arguing over it will get you nowhere. Why don't you look elsewhere for a solution to your disagreement if there is one.
For example I agree with The Thinker that Jesus is still a human being since 1 Timothy 2:5 states just that. I would anyways as scriture states Jesus was resurected and not transformed into a different type of being.
Resurected means returned to life.
KWJesus is no longer a human being.that is a fact.
wen his purpose to fulfill the works of God on earth was done he stopped to be a human ,he only became human for that purpose.
after dead he regain his position that he ad before he came as human.read the scriptures and understand them.
t,
Your view is ANATHEMA! Jesus is still the “IMAGE OF GOD.” This means that He is still a man though not in flesh like before. He is a glorified man.thinker
TTthat's what you saying ,were is it says that Christ is still human ??
and why should Christ lost his image of the living God he is his son,does the son ,not reflect the image of the father???no matter were he go's and what he does.
did he was the image of his father the first day he was begotten as the WORD,??
Gibberish. He was not begotten as the Word. He was the eternal Word who became flesh. Then He became Son at His resurrection. Read pages 5-10 on the debate between me and Mike.If Jesus is still the image of God then He is still a man.
terraricca:
Quote and why should Christ lost his image of the living God he is his son,does the son ,not reflect the image of the father???no matter were he go's and what he does.
Agreed. But being the image of God necessarily makes Him a man nevertheless. Paul said that He was the “Man from heaven.” The difference was that He did not have flesh until He was born of a woman. He put off that flesh and is now a glorified man once again. One day we will be conformed to His image.thinker
TTyou said;
Agreed. But being the image of God necessarily makes Him a man nevertheless. Paul said that He was the “Man from heaven.” The difference was that He did not have flesh until He was born of a woman. He put off that flesh and is now a glorified man once again. One day we will be conformed to His image.thinker
you sill do not get it ,if Jesus was and he was in heaven prior to come down he was all ready the image of his father,the scriptures said he return and took back the glory he ad with his father before becoming a man ,so the only conclution anyone can take of that is that Jesus was always the image of his father.nothing else.
WJ,
You are truly a master, a master of spin.
You have been well taught.
There is nothing that you cannot put a spin to.What has Angels making bodiesnand coming in the flesh if man got to with God coming in hisown creation?
There is your spun. You have no response so you spin nonesense.
Why would God foresake his glorious throne set in eternal unapproachable light to become man in a straightjacket of flesh bound in three/four dimensions, pah!
You slipslide about by claiming it was yourinterchangeable other, Jesus, when you know full well I am refering to the Father, YHVH God.
Jesus can't sin…
Why the aggression. Jesus doesn't need you to defend him in that way. Sounds like you would like to wop me?If Jesus CANNOT sin then it was a dine deal, a fate accomple. All he had to do was turn up on warth and the kingdom was his, hands down.
Even dying, you say he didn't die.
The trial with Satan in the wilderness was a stunt then? A pointless temptation because everything Satan was tempting him with was his, in his hands, already.
'bow down and worship me and I will give you this kingdom'
Satan, get behind me, you worship me and me only because, I AM, God and I own all this already.
How can you offer me what is already mine (present tense)WJ, read that back carefully and see what it is saying.
God and God lied (to you). Everything [God] did was a pointless gesture, so called suffering, it wasn't his flesh, why should he care, just make another one when noone looking,
Too much to write.WJ, you have truly lost it.
I almost thought it was TT that had responded to me…ha ha, ok, you got me there for a moment.
TT, Just admit it, it is you. Only you write …unscripturalness… like thatWJ,
I keep meaning to ask: do you worship the Holy Spirit?Why are we not to be heirs of the Holy Spirit, but will be heirs of God and of Christ.
Does that then makes us God Almighty, the Son is Equal to the Father, the Prince is Equal to the King, you and TT, say, constantly, We will be God Almighty as well.
Why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a throne like God has a throne and Jesus has a throne and they are not one throne but two yet the two persons sitting on the individual thrones are (is?) one person.
But the two persons who are one are not two but three, coEqual persons who a not three but One, but one of the three is less equal by virtue of having no sons and no throne and has power but no authority but is nonetheless somehow, equal, as we will be equal with God the father who himself is over his son, Jesus Christ, but yet they are equal, the father who cannot die but the sin who can and did but is nonetheless Gid, Godwhi cannot die.Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2010,09:02) Terraricca wrote: Quote Paul did not say that Christ still is a man ,he said that the mediator was the man who came as Jesus Christ .
That is not how the English language is language is structured. The English clearly tells us clearly that Jesus the Anointed is the man who mediates between mankind and God. There is no “was” or “who came as” even inferred or implied in the sentence.
Perhaps you believe that we would already “know” that Paul was not speaking literally and is instead using “man” in the sentence so we would know which Jesus the Anointed he was speaking of or some other such reason you have not put into words.
I on the other hand see no other reason to mention “man” than to let us know Jesus is still a human being just as we are but raised up from the dead in a new incorruptible body.
KWPaul was talking to believers ,who ad already acquired some knowledge,and knew what he was talking about ,read is total argument that he present, and place yourself into his classroom,(in spirit that is )
he does not say that Christ is a man.
I check as cross refferense my readings into different languages,to compere.
KW
you say;;Perhaps you believe that we would already “know” that Paul was not speaking literally and is instead using “man” in the sentence so we would know which Jesus the Anointed he was speaking of or some other such reason you have not put into words
you right if you read the entire argument you can easy understand it.
also remember that all the letters from the apostles are written to believers not to ignorant people,
Hi Thinker,
You said:
Quote The bolded words are genetive and should be “of God” and “of Christ.” Go to the link and put your arrow on the two words and see for yourself that they are genetive. A little window will appear which will say that the words “God” and “Christ” are genetive. This means “of God” and “of Christ.” That's why I asked. I can see in the NWT Interlinear it shows theos and puts the English as “of God”. It does the same with the word Christ. The word is Christ, but the English they show is “of Christ”. But then they translate it as “joint heirs WITH Christ”. Now I'm asking you to be honest before I do the research, is there similar times that Christ is genetive that it should translate not as “of”, but as “with” or something else? I don't know all the rules of Greek grammar, but it seems odd to me that if it actually should be “of”, none of the many Greek speaking Bible translators caught it for all those years. It also seems that the word “of” doesn't flow with the rest of the verse.
You said:
Quote btw, stop lying yourself. On the debates thread you accused me of saying that “image of God” in reference to Christ means “image of man.” If you think I lied on our debate page, then bring it up on our debate page, not here. Besides, re-reading the quotes from you and I, it seems like what I said applies correctly to what you said.
You said:
Quote You denied that Jesus is still a man. Not true.
You said:
Quote WHERE DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY THAT WE WILL SHARE IN THE POSSESSIONS OF CHRIST? Jesus implies it in Luke:
Quote Luke 22:29 NIV
And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,Get back to me on the Greek grammar, please.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (kerwin @ April 09 2010,04:16) I find it hard to believe anyone can believe that after reading 1 Timothy 2:5 which explicitly calls Jesus is a man at the present time since he is presently serving as the mediator between mankind and God. This is ignoring the fact that nowhere in scripture is it written that Jesus was transformed into another type of being.
Hi Kerwin,First, you can't always believe what Thinker says – he has a…let's call it a way with other peoples words. What I actually said, which can be confirmed by reading our debate, is that I found it interesting that he considers Jesus to still be a man. I said that I had never pictured him as anything but a spirit creature after he was raised. I'll tell you my reasons.
1 Tim 2:5-6 says:
Quote 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men Now this isn't “proof” in itself, but the wording that the man Jesus GAVE his life implies to me that he gave his life as a man, but doesn't necessarily mean he still is.
My logic tells me, that if he was put back to his previous glory and position (some read it as higher than previous), then he must have been a man all along. If it is actually a higher position to which he has been raised, maybe he was a monkey before? (Sorry, Lord – only to make a point.)
1 Cor 15:50-51 says:
Quote 50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed To me, that sounds pretty clear that Jesus cannot still be flesh and blood.
And Jesus says in Mark 12:25,
Quote 25When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. I don't think the angels are men, are they?
Add these to the fact that no MAN can see God and live, and you have a pretty good case, IMO, that Jesus cannot still be a man.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00)
WJ,You are truly a master, a master of spin.
You have been well taught.
There is nothing that you cannot put a spin to.What has Angels making bodiesnand coming in the flesh if man got to with God coming in hisown creation?
There is your spun. You have no response so you spin nonesense.
JaYou just stick your head in the sand and deny the truth.
Fine with me, I don't expect anything more from you!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) Why would God foresake his glorious throne set in eternal unapproachable light to become man in a straightjacket of flesh bound in three/four dimensions, pah!
Why would he not since every other man after Adam couldn't save us and no man born in sin ever could! Since God told us in Phil 2:6-8 and John 1:1, 14, 18 that he would, then the spin is with you and your false assumptions and claims that the Word that was with God and was God did not come into this world!Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) You slipslide about by claiming it was yourinterchangeable other, Jesus, when you know full well I am refering to the Father, YHVH God.
Yes from what I can tell you do not know the Jesus I know! Your Jesus is a mere man!Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) Jesus can't sin…
Why the aggression. Jesus doesn't need you to defend him in that way. Sounds like you would like to wop me?
The only aggression I see here is your constant accusations without scriptural proof of anything. You never bring any scriptural rebuttals but only create smoke screens, straw men and ad hominems. Just like you are now rather than admitting that Jesus could not have sinned because it would make God a liar. I know that must be hard for you to swallow that Jesus was and is infallible and equal to the Father in never being able to fail!Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) If Jesus CANNOT sin then it was a dine deal, a fate accomple. All he had to do was turn up on warth and the kingdom was his, hands down.
Even dying, you say he didn't die.
With the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit it was always a “done deal”, for he was the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world that would take away the sins of the world.Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) The trial with Satan in the wilderness was a stunt then? A pointless temptation because everything Satan was tempting him with was his, in his hands, already.
Jesus temptations were real because he took on the likeness of sinful flesh and was found in fashion as a man. He had to fulfill all righteousness.Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) bow down and worship me and I will give you this kingdom'
Satan, get behind me, you worship me and me only because, I AM, God and I own all this already.
How can you offer me what is already mine (present tense)
Did you think the Kingdoms of the world were satans anyway?Satan ruled in the hearts of sinful fallen men, but the earth and the fullness thereof is Gods. Do you really believe that satan was any challenge to Jesus who had the Spirit of God without measure? Do you think that for a second Jesus desired to worship satan or what satan tempted him with. Jesus had left the glory that he shared with the Father as God to come to this earth. He had no desire to be part of this world for he was not of this world. His response was quick and speedy, get thee behind me satan, just as his response to Peter was quick when Peter sought to discourage the Lord from going to the cross!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) WJ, read that back carefully and see what it is saying.
OK! Wait a minute…………………………………………
Yep, the Jesus you serve struggled so hard against satan because satan was such a powerful being compared to Jesus. He was actually only a little weaker than Jesus.
NOT, Jesus knew who he was and that is why the demons screamed out to him to not torture them before their time. In Jesus eyes satan was a little slimy worm, and when he came to Jesus he could find nothing in him. Notice satan doesn't personally show up to often after that! Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) God and God lied (to you). Everything [God] did was a pointless gesture, so called suffering, it wasn't his flesh, why should he care, just make another one when noone looking,
Too much to write.
What? Sounds like frustration.Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) WJ, you have truly lost it.
By your last sentence it sounds like you have!Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:00) I almost thought it was TT that had responded to me…ha ha, ok, you got me there for a moment.
TT, Just admit it, it is you. Only you write …unscripturalness… like that
You are not very discerning are you? Anyway all the rambling and this huge smoke screen you just created in no way refuted my point that If Jesus could have sinned or ever sin in the future then
God would be a liar.Of course only one who is equal to God could come in the flesh and fulfill all the Hebrew prophesies right down to the exact moment of time. Oh, that’s right Jesus even made this claim.
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, “HE EXPOUNDED UNTO THEM IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES THE THINGS CONCERNING HIMSELF”. Luke 24:27
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: ‘AND THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF ME”. John 5:39
Why didn’t Jesus say the scriptures were about the Father? Ah but they were because he and the Father and the Holy Spirit are one!
The Bible is a biography of God and Jesus takes claim to it!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,19:43) WJ,
I keep meaning to ask: do you worship the Holy Spirit?Why are we not to be heirs of the Holy Spirit, but will be heirs of God and of Christ.
Does that then makes us God Almighty, the Son is Equal to the Father, the Prince is Equal to the King, you and TT, say, constantly, We will be God Almighty as well.
Why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a throne like God has a throne and Jesus has a throne and they are not one throne but two yet the two persons sitting on the individual thrones are (is?) one person.
But the two persons who are one are not two but three, coEqual persons who a not three but One, but one of the three is less equal by virtue of having no sons and no throne and has power but no authority but is nonetheless somehow, equal, as we will be equal with God the father who himself is over his son, Jesus Christ, but yet they are equal, the father who cannot die but the sin who can and did but is nonetheless Gid, Godwhi cannot die.
JAOK, lets take it too the debates thread and have a one on one about the Holy Spirit. What ya say?
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,03:47) and why should Christ lost his image of the living God he is his son,does the son ,not reflect the image of the father???no matter were he go's and what he does.
did he was the image of his father the first day he was begotten as the WORD,??
Hi Terra,Great point. As God's Son, Christ is made in the image of God. Especially considering when he was begotten, there was nobody else's image he could have been made in. God was the only One out there. It doesn't matter if it was when he was the Word, the man Jesus Christ, or the Lamb in Rev, Jesus is the exact representation of God.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,20:31) My logic tells me, that if he was put back to his previous glory and position (some read it as higher than previous), then he must have been a man all along. If it is actually a higher position to which he has been raised, maybe he was a monkey before? (Sorry, Lord – only to make a point.)
MikeThen what is Jesus? Because the JWs believe he is Michael the Arch-Angel!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,12:35) Did you think the Kingdoms of the world were satans anyway?
Hi WJ,There are so many flawed understandings in you post, but I don't have the time right now. I've been meaning to check out your temptation topic, and I eventually will. But just for now, if the kingdoms of the world didn't actually belong to the “god of this world”, how could he have offered them? Would any of that whole story make sense or need to be in God's inspired word? Wouldn't Jesus just have responded, “They don't belong to you, so what you say means nothing”?
Sorry Bub, Jesus was tempted by things that were Satan's to offer. More later.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,12:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,20:31) My logic tells me, that if he was put back to his previous glory and position (some read it as higher than previous), then he must have been a man all along. If it is actually a higher position to which he has been raised, maybe he was a monkey before? (Sorry, Lord – only to make a point.)
MikeThen what is Jesus? Because the JWs believe he is Michael the Arch-Angel!
WJ
Hi WJ,The was and is the only begotten Son of God.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,20:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,12:35) Did you think the Kingdoms of the world were satans anyway?
Hi WJ,There are so many flawed understandings in you post, but I don't have the time right now. I've been meaning to check out your temptation topic, and I eventually will. But just for now, if the kingdoms of the world didn't actually belong to the “god of this world”, how could he have offered them? Would any of that whole story make sense or need to be in God's inspired word? Wouldn't Jesus just have responded, “They don't belong to you, so what you say means nothing”?
Sorry Bub, Jesus was tempted by things that were Satan's to offer. More later.
peace and love,
mike
Hi MikeI haven't forgotten you in the debates thread, I have been a little busy. But will get to you.
Anyway, you do believe in the Torah right?
The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all. Ps 103:19
This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that “the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men“. Dan 4:17
Now for the NT…
”LET EVERY SOUL BE SUBJECT UNTO THE HIGHER POWERS. FOR THERE IS NO POWER BUT OF GOD: THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ORDAINED OF GOD”. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil. Rom 13:1-4
Satan is a liar and a usurper. He has no power but what men who are in darkness give him.
We like Jesus have overcome the “wicked one” because of Jesus and what he did on the Cross!
God is ruler of all! Jesus has “ALL” authority and Power”, though not all things have been subjected to him yet. But, that’s another subject.
WJ
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