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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:47) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 20 2010,22:37) Hi WJ, You hold to the logic of an Atheist…
'nobody can no more than I do'That is Lucifer's oldest trick in the book! (Isaiah 14:13-14)
He tells adolescent children that they now know more than their parents do!
He tells 'evolutionists' that they are smarter than all that came before them!
He tells Atheists that nobody can know more than they and their sources do!
He tells religionists that they are part of a very special 'end times' crowd!
But it is really a myriad of the original LIE; but in a bunch of different forms!
EdAre you looking in a mirror, for it is you that says you have some special revelation about Gods name that nobody else has including the Apostles and the Church Fathers?
And you have the nerve to accuse me for rejecting your assumption and infering that I am being a satan?
You are something else man!
Satan also is the accuser of the brethren!
WJ
Hi WJ,I do listen carefully to the points others make! Nevertheless 'Atheists' logic is what you use.
I notice you seem to use your editing rights disproportionately in Posts made to me?
What does the mirror affect have to do with the “Point” I make about your logic?
As my late friend once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdI see. So I show you scriptures that support Jesus being the “” who comes quickly and you just brush it off!
At least I try and show you where what you say is wrong.
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Which verse do you want to start with?
Ed J
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi WJ,
John 17 in the NIV says:
Quote 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you The NWT says:
Quote 7 They have now come to know that all the things you gave me are from you; (I thought I would start quoting the NWT when I post to you so you can show me the errors of the translation of these “non Greek and Hebrew speaking nobody wannabe members of a cult”.)
Why is it so hard for you to understand? Everything that Jesus has was given to him by his God, Jehovah. That includes “all power and authority” just as it included the authority to forgive sins on earth and the power to drive out demons and heal people. He has nothing that didn't come from the Father, and never says anything to the contrary. Why do you want to elevate Jesus to a higher position than the one he taught?
You said:
Quote The Previous Glory he shared was no greater or no less than what he once again shares. Philippians 2 says:
Quote 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. The first part I bolded and other similar statements that Paul makes sound to me like he was put in a higher position than before. For now it is conjecture on my part, but I will keep looking for other similar passages.
But whether Jesus was raised to a superior position or the same one, the second bolded part makes it clear that he is still under God. And there are literally hundreds of Scriptures that state straight forwardly the same. Like the ones that say he is at the right hand of God. “At the right hand of” does not mean “equality with”.
If Jesus were God Almighty, why would Paul say:
Quote 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. Why is it they always say everything is “from” God, “through” Jesus. Why didn't Paul say, and WITH whom he made everything?
And btw, it is the Father that subjects all things to His Son.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:57) The scriptures also tell us to try the Spirits and to test everything; and hold fast what is good. 1 Thess 5:21
Hi WJ,I wish I had the foresight to include this Scrip in my post to you about Satan disguising himself as an angel of light. You say the spirit tells you Jesus is God Almighty? Read your own Scrip and test that spirit to see if it is telling you what God's own Word tell all of us.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:47) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 20 2010,22:37) Hi WJ, You hold to the logic of an Atheist…
'nobody can no more than I do'That is Lucifer's oldest trick in the book! (Isaiah 14:13-14)
He tells adolescent children that they now know more than their parents do!
He tells 'evolutionists' that they are smarter than all that came before them!
He tells Atheists that nobody can know more than they and their sources do!
He tells religionists that they are part of a very special 'end times' crowd!
But it is really a myriad of the original LIE; but in a bunch of different forms!
EdAre you looking in a mirror, for it is you that says you have some special revelation about Gods name that nobody else has including the Apostles and the Church Fathers?
And you have the nerve to accuse me for rejecting your assumption and infering that I am being a satan?
You are something else man!
Satan also is the accuser of the brethren!
WJ
Hi WJ,I do listen carefully to the points others make! Nevertheless 'Atheists' logic is what you use.
I notice you seem to use your editing rights disproportionately in Posts made to me?
What does the mirror affect have to do with the “Point” I make about your logic?
As my late friend once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdI see. So I show you scriptures that support Jesus being the “” who comes quickly and you just brush it off!
At least I try and show you where what you say is wrong.
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Which verse do you want to start with?
Ed J
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
Did the Holy Spirit also die?
“I” am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, “I” am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Rev 1:18
Jesus is the one that is speaking to the Churches!
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:28) ED Really?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely “I” come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:20
And, behold, “I” come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”I” am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:12, 13
Look again my friend it is Jesus spoken of as the one who returns.
He is our Blessed Hope…
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, “while we wait for the blessed hope”– **the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ**, Tit 2:13
Hi WJ,You said:
Quote Look again my friend it is Jesus spoken of as the one who returns. Does not Jehovah also return? Will He not dwell among us in New Jerusalem? Is He not also coming soon?
Again, does it ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A SHRED OF DOUBT HAVE TO BE JESUS TALKING? IS THERE ONE MILLIONTH OF A CHANCE IN YOUR MIND THAT IT COULD BE JEHOVAH?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,01:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:28) ED Really?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely “I” come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:20
And, behold, “I” come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”I” am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:12, 13
Look again my friend it is Jesus spoken of as the one who returns.
He is our Blessed Hope…
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, “while we wait for the blessed hope”– **the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ**, Tit 2:13
Hi WJ,You said:
Quote Look again my friend it is Jesus spoken of as the one who returns. Does not Jehovah also return? Will He not dwell among us in New Jerusalem? Is He not also coming soon?
Again, does it ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A SHRED OF DOUBT HAVE TO BE JESUS TALKING? IS THERE ONE MILLIONTH OF A CHANCE IN YOUR MIND THAT IT COULD BE JEHOVAH?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,01:24) Again, does it ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A SHRED OF DOUBT HAVE TO BE JESUS TALKING? IS THERE ONE MILLIONTH OF A CHANCE IN YOUR MIND THAT IT COULD BE JEHOVAH?
MikeNo there isn't because Rev 3:11 says it is Jesus that is comming quickly. No where does the NT scriptures claim the Father is coming again.
Jesus said he is returning in the “Glory of the Father with the Holy Angels.”
But you can choose to believe as you will.
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,I took the liberty of cutting out the irrelevance to our discussion.
As long as you are willing to engage me in a “serious” dialog it's NOT a waste of my time!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,15:49) I have extended this offer to BOTH you and Katjo before,
but you seem to drop the ball and discontinue the dialog with me?
Do you want to continue our discussion, with me addressing Rev.3:12 or no?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,01:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,I took the liberty of cutting out the irrelevance to our discussion.
As long as you are willing to engage me in a “serious” dialog it's NOT a waste of my time!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,15:49) I have extended this offer to BOTH you and Katjo before,
but you seem to drop the ball and discontinue the dialog with me?
Do you want to continue our discussion, with me addressing Rev.3:12 or no?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdNo I do not want to discuss verse 12 with you for I am sure I will not agree.
But thanks for your time and for the link to Melissa Scott.
I like her! I am sure she would not agree with your view of the Holy Spirit!
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,18:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,01:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,I took the liberty of cutting out the irrelevance to our discussion.
As long as you are willing to engage me in a “serious” dialog it's NOT a waste of my time!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,15:49) I have extended this offer to BOTH you and Katjo before,
but you seem to drop the ball and discontinue the dialog with me?
Do you want to continue our discussion, with me addressing Rev.3:12 or no?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdNo I do not want to discuss verse 12 with you for I am sure I will not agree.
But thanks for your time and for the link to Melissa Scott.
I like her! I am sure she would not agree with your view of the Holy Spirit!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,She agrees with my view that the AKJV Bible is the most accurate Bible us English-Speaking people possess!
Always glad to help!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi WJ,
Because his numbers do not tell him Ed cannot discern between God and any manifestation of God as Spirit among angels and men.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:31) Mike No there isn't because Rev 3:11 says it is Jesus that is comming quickly. No where does the NT scriptures claim the Father is coming again.
Hi WJ,Revelation 21 NWT says:
Quote And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. You are mistaken, my friend. Jehovah Himself is coming to dwell among mankind. And Rev 21:5-8 is Jehovah talking. In the rest of 21 and the beginning of 22, the angel talks and shows John New Jerusalem. Then Jehovah talks again. Jesus doesn't talk again until 22:16.
And look at Rev 3:12 NWT:
Quote “‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine. How many times does Jesus have to speak about his God before you realize he can't be God Almighty? Can God Almighty have a God. Does Jehovah ever call Jesus “my God”?
If you read it in context with the rest of the Scriptures, it's really not complicated enough to need to rely on all your precious scholars. I think that the following Scripture makes it pretty clear that God didn't make the Bible in such a way that only experts could understand the meaning.
Matthew 11:25 NWT:
Quote 25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes. Now don't you feel bad for degrading me because I'm not a Bible scholar?
And have you found any flaws in the NWT translations I've used yet? peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:35) I am still waiting for an attribute the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?
Hi WJ,I already gave you the Almighty attribute, which Jesus doesn't share. Here's some more.
1. God has no beginning and no end. Jesus was caused to exist and he died. Now I know you are going to twist Scriptures about Jesus' beginning, so don't bother. Deal with the fact that Jesus died. Jehovah never died.
2. God can place Jesus' enemies under his feet. Can Jesus place Jehovah's enemies under His feet?
3. Jesus was begotten. Even if you follow your brother Jack and think that begotten means placed in a certain “office” or “position”, can you tell me where the Scriptures say Jehovah was begotten?
4. Jehovah is Jesus' Father. Is Jesus Jehovah's Father?
5 Everything Jesus has was given to him by the Father. Did Jesus give Jehovah everything He has?
I've got lots more, but we'll start with these. Happy Scripture hunting, Keith.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (thethinker @ Mar. 18 2010,14:16) Jodi lee said; Quote Jesus did not send himself out into the world to preach the gospel to heal the sick and to die for us on the cross. TO ALL:
Jodi Lee's comment above reflects how blind to scriptural revelation she is and how one dimensionally she thinks.
No one disputes that the Father “sent” Jesus into the world to die for our sins. But she takes away from the fact Jesus also came on His own initiative. Philippians 2 is very clear that Jesus made Himself nothing and took upon Himself the form of a servant and came to do His Father's will. Jesus said that the Father loves Him because He lays down His life of Himself (John 10:17).
Yet Jodi Lee thinks that His being “sent” means that He did not come on His own. Would she say the same thing of the missionary who denies herself the creature comforts of living in the USA? The missionary has a burden for people in a third world country in Africa and she feels compelled to leave the people she loves to go and administer medical aid to the people. So she spends all her money to go to medical school and she studies hard devoting her whole life to learning what she needs to know.
Afterwards the missionary finds a good missions organization to commission her to go to the missions field. The missions board examines her and finds her qualified and then “sends” her to Africa.
By Jodi Lee's logic the missionary should not receive any credit because she was “sent” by the missions organization. After all, the missionary “did not send herself.” By Jodi Lee's logic we should not consider that the missionary spent all the money she had to train for medical school so she could help others. We should not consider that she left her homeland and the people she loves to give medical aid to impoverished and needy people. We should not consider that the missionary is subjecting herself to disease because of her great love for third world people. We should not consider the love and actions of the missionary because she was “sent” by the missions organization.
This is how Jodi Lee would have us treat Jesus. She does not want us to consider that He left His life and His riches for our sakes. She does not want us to consider that Jesus subjected Himself to being spit upon and tortured and put to death by the very people He came to save. Jodi Lee says that we cannot consider this because He did not send Himself.
In other words, Jodi Lee does not want us to love Jesus for what He has done for us. She says that we should love the Father alone because it was the Father who sent Him.
But the Father could not have sent Jesus if He didn't love us anymore than the missions board can send people that have no love or burden for people.
In fact, the Father would not have sent Him if He didn't love us just as a missions board would not send people who do not love other people.
Jodi Lee does not share the affections for Jesus that the Father has for Him. Jesus had the assurance that His Father loved Him because He lays down His life of Himself.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Note also that Jesus possessed the right to lay down His life “of Himself.” While on earth this is the only area inwhich Christ did act on His own. In all others areas He did nothing “of Himself.” But Jodi Lee does not want us to appreciate Him. She is contrary to Peter also:
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,” 1 Peter 2:7To those who believe Jesus is PRECIOUS!
It is obvious that Jodi Lee sees only that side of Jesus she wants to see which is the Jesus who was “under God's thumb.” This is because she thinks one dimensionally.
thinker
I'm not quite sure how to respond to this post.It is truly a remarkable work of slander and garbage.
This is the full post of mine from where Thinker quoted me,
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John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You,the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.John 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The MAN in the flesh, Jesus the Christ, proceeded forth and came from God. In other words, the MAN came FROM heaven having come from God!! And God MADE Jesus out of a promise that he would be of the seed of David, He did not make Jesus out of morphing his God counterpart, or taking his immortal spirit being son, into the seed of David.
Jesus did not send himself out into the world to preach the gospel to heal the sick and to die for us on the cross. The ONE TRUE God did. This completely excludes Jesus from being the ONE True God. Anyone care to explain how it does not?
===============================================Jesus was NOT the God who MADE the PROMISES of one day sending a MAN to be a savior. Jesus is NOT the God who CAUSED the PROMISES to be fulfilled. Jesus is the MAN who fulfilled what God asked of him because he followed NOT HIS OWN WILL, but he followed the WILL of his God.
Matthew 26:39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.” 40 Then He came to the disciples and found them asleep, and said to Peter, “What? Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” 42 Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying,“O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done.” 43 And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy. 44 So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 45 Then He came to His disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.” 47 And while He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the twelve, with a great multitude with swords and clubs, came from the chief priests and elders of the people. 48 Now His betrayer had given them a sign, saying, “Whomever I kiss, He is the One; seize Him.” 49 Immediately he went up to Jesus and said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed Him. 50 But Jesus said to him, “Friend, why have you come?” Then they came and laid han
ds on Jesus and took Him. 51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. 52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?” 55 In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, “Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you did not seize Me. 56 But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.JESUS is MY CHRIST and MY MASTER, for he FOLLOWED not his OWN will but the Will of his God. God made this possible for Jesus through giving Jesus His Spirit, having that Spirit teach Jesus obedience.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. 14 Do all things without complaining and disputing, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain. 17 Yes, and if I am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with you all. 18 For the same reason you also be glad and rejoice with me. 19 But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you shortly, that I also may be encouraged when I know your state. 20For I have no one like-minded, who will sincerely care for your state. 21 For all seek their own, not the things which are of Christ Jesus.
We do not define Christ as the One True God, but the MAN of the promise who came in the FLESH. When we take a verse or chapter that is speaking specifically of Christ Jesus and we define that person as something other then a MAN in the FLESH, we create an ANTICHRIST doctrine. The scripture above is speaking of the MAN Christ, it is not speaking about a God who temporarily gave up his life as a God to became a man. The above is speaking about a man who was given God's powers, and as such he was seen by people as being a god in a man's body. The man who was in the form of God but was truly a man, did not use the powers of God that were given to him for himself. Instead he was a SERVANT, even dying on the cross for us. The MAN Jesus who had even been given the powers to raise the dead, did not use his powers ONCE for his own gain. Let this mind that was in the MAN Jesus also be in those who receive the great gifts of God's Spirit.
Jesus LOVED us and that is why he died for us. That LOVE he LEARNED and received through his God's Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,06:24) Hi TT,
You suggest Jodi is limited yet she expresses wisdom.
You on the other hand do not know WHO God is yet.
Wait a minute Jodi does what? When She and Gene deny Scriptures that tells that Jesus came down from Heaven,and was a a Spirit Being with His Father, is not exactly having Wisdom…. When She denies that Satan exists, She denies again and has no Wisdom…… And Wisdom is born and in Proverbs and it is not talking about Jesus. Wisdom is a craftsman and the Fathers delight, lots of wisdom here//o my friend wrong……
IreneHi Irene,
She loves the Word and like all of us is right in some of what she aligns.
Nobody is perfect.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,08:57) Hi Irene,
She loves the Word and like all of us is right in some of what she aligns.
Nobody is perfect.
nickperfection as nothing to do with being truthful,
when you let ourself be guided by others and not by scriptures ,you come in comflict with the word of god ,if you put in doubt the word of Christ and his aposteles you judging them not men.
remember the WRITTEN WORD CAN NOT BE BROKEN”
even if all men vote against God, let God be found true.
who is the antichrist the ones who do not believe in the words of Christ.
Hi t,
It takes time and patience as we build, and pull down and rebuild according to new given light.
Carnal insights and speculations slowly give way to what aligns in Scripture.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,18:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,01:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,I took the liberty of cutting out the irrelevance to our discussion.
As long as you are willing to engage me in a “serious” dialog it's NOT a waste of my time!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,15:49) I have extended this offer to BOTH you and Katjo before,
but you seem to drop the ball and discontinue the dialog with me?
Do you want to continue our discussion, with me addressing Rev.3:12 or no?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdNo I do not want to discuss verse 12 with you for I am sure I will not agree.
But thanks for your time and for the link to Melissa Scott.
I like her! I am sure she would not agree with your view of the Holy Spirit!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Glad you enjoy Mellisa. Her late husband (Dr. Gene Scott) was an even better teacher. Click here
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,12:34) Hi t,
It takes time and patience as we build, and pull down and rebuild according to new given light.
Carnal insights and speculations slowly give way to what aligns in Scripture.
Nick
would you like a carpenter ,do work for you only because he try is best??? even he tells you how good he is ,and you know that what he says is not true??I don't think so i would either.
she teaches what is not true and will rebuke you according to her believe not to scriptures.
many people do that ,this is very wrong.see Paul about it.
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