Answering jodi lee's nonsense

[Lightenup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,18:52)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2010,09:05) Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,21:12) Hi Mike, I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter.  All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah. Quote Gen 18 18:1 Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, 3 and said, “My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. 4 “Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; 5 and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant.” And they said, “So do, as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, “Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead it and make bread cakes.” 7 Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave it to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it. 8 He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and placed it before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. 9 Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “There, in the tent.” 10 He said, “I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife will have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. 12 Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” 13 And the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' 14 “Is anything too difficult for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 15 Sarah denied it however, saying, “I did not laugh”; for she was afraid. And He said, “No, but you did laugh.” 16 Then the men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 since Abraham will surely become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth will be blessed? 19 “For I have chosen him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him.” 20 And the Lord said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” 22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the Lord. 23 Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.” 27 And Abraham replied, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes. 28 “Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole city because of five?” And He said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 He spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose forty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it on account of the forty.” 30 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 And he said, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the twenty.” 32 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” 33 As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departed, and Abraham returned to his place. NASU What do you think? Edj, Read through the text above, take your time.  Pay attention to the pronouns as to whether they are singular or plural and if they are written in first person, second person, or third person.  Those are all helpful to see who Abraham is speaking to. Hi LightenUp, Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD… Gen.18:21 indicates JEHOVAH went to Sodom (two of the three arrived) and Gen.18:22 indicates he stayed. You only accept what verse 22 says while disregarding what verse 21 says? Do you 'think' this is wise? Could these verses be telling us instead that all three “Angels” (called men) spoke for JEHOVAH? What about Gen.19:24… Gen.19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Are you to 'assume' the third man (Gen.19:24) now joined the two that were present at Sodom? Please explain Gen.19:24 with regard to the two Angels carrying out the act? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj
There were two men with Jehovah and Abraham. Jehovah said that He would go down now to Sodom and they all started heading that way when Abraham started asking Jehovah questions. The other two kept going and after Abraham and Jehovah were finished talking, Jehovah departed from Abraham. After that, only two men, who were revealed as angels, are mentioned to be with Lot. There are no specifics about where Jehovah departed to although we can assume from where He said that He was going to go, that He went to Sodom in some way to verify what He needed to verify in order to destroy the land through the two angels.

[NickHassan]

Hi lU,
Abraham spoke with His God from the moment he met the three.
He knew they were not his God.

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,19:03)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,10:34) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,18:23) Hi LU, So when Jesus himself said the Father was the one the Jews called God he was mistaken?[Jn8.54] Jesus, Himself, told the jews that they have not come to know God or whom they say, 'He is our God.' John 8:54-56 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God'; 55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” NASU Hi LU, So you want to put in his mouth that he was another GOD? He served the God of Israel. Do you?

Nick,
Of course the Son is another God, He did not come from Himself. He is not the God with Himself in John 1:1 nor is He the only God who was in the bosom of Himself in John 1:18, Nor is He His own God to whom He ascended to.

John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'”
NASU

John 1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
NASU

John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
NASU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
You will not find much support even within your fellowship for your binity theory.
The Lord is the Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,11:07)

Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,18:52) Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2010,09:05) Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,21:12) Hi Mike, I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter.  All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah. Quote Gen 18 18:1 Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, 3 and said, “My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. 4 “Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; 5 and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant.” And they said, “So do, as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, “Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead it and make bread cakes.” 7 Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave it to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it. 8 He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and placed it before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. 9 Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “There, in the tent.” 10 He said, “I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife will have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. 12 Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” 13 And the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' 14 “Is anything too difficult for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 15 Sarah denied it however, saying, “I did not laugh”; for she was afraid. And He said, “No, but you did laugh.” 16 Then the men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 since Abraham will surely become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth will be blessed? 19 “For I have chosen him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him.” 20 And the Lord said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” 22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the Lord. 23 Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.” 27 And Abraham replied, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes. 28 “Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole city because of five?” And He said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 He spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose forty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it on account of the forty.” 30 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 And he said, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the twenty.” 32 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” 33 As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departed, and Abraham returned to his place. NASU What do you think? Edj, Read through the text above, take your time.  Pay attention to the pronouns as to whether they are singular or plural and if they are written in first person, second person, or third person.  Those are all helpful to see who Abraham is speaking to. Hi LightenUp, Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD… Gen.18:21 indicates JEHOVAH went to Sodom (two of the three arrived) and Gen.18:22 indicates he stayed. You only accept what verse 22 says while disregarding what verse 21 says? Do you 'think' this is wise? Could these verses be telling us instead that all three “Angels” (called men) spoke for JEHOVAH? What about Gen.19:24… Gen.19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Are you to 'assume' the third man (Gen.19:24) now joined the two that were present at Sodom? Please explain Gen.19:24 with regard to the two Angels carrying out the act? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj There were two men with Jehovah and Abraham.  Jehovah said that He would go down now to Sodom and they all started heading that way when Abraham started asking Jehovah questions.  The other two kept going and after Abraham and Jehovah were finished talking, Jehovah departed from Abraham.  After that, only two men, who were revealed as angels, are mentioned to be with Lot.  There are no specifics about where Jehovah departed to although we can assume from where He said that He was going to go, that He went to Sodom in some way to verify what He needed to verify in order to destroy the land through the two angels.

Hi LU,

Abraham is said to be speaking to “YHVH” as he talked with first three men(Gen.18:1-2,10-21), later one(Gen.18:22-33).

Now first you say one of the three men is “YHVH”,
then you say Abraham is instead talking to
Je
sus(of the three men called Angels);
is this (in essence) what you have said?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Kathi,

I'm in Isaiah now, my third reading of the Word of God. I will make notes as I see other attributed to “the hand of God”.

peace and love,
mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,19:29)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,18:52) Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2010,09:05) Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,21:12) Hi Mike, I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter.  All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah. Quote Gen 18 18:1 Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, 3 and said, “My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. 4 “Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; 5 and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant.” And they said, “So do, as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, “Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead it and make bread cakes.” 7 Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave it to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it. 8 He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and placed it before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. 9 Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “There, in the tent.” 10 He said, “I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife will have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. 12 Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” 13 And the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' 14 “Is anything too difficult for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 15 Sarah denied it however, saying, “I did not laugh”; for she was afraid. And He said, “No, but you did laugh.” 16 Then the men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 since Abraham will surely become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth will be blessed? 19 “For I have chosen him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him.” 20 And the Lord said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” 22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the Lord. 23 Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.” 27 And Abraham replied, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes. 28 “Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole city because of five?” And He said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 He spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose forty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it on account of the forty.” 30 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 And he said, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the twenty.” 32 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” 33 As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departed, and Abraham returned to his place. NASU What do you think? Edj, Read through the text above, take your time.  Pay attention to the pronouns as to whether they are singular or plural and if they are written in first person, second person, or third person.  Those are all helpful to see who Abraham is speaking to. Hi LightenUp, Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD… Gen.18:21 indicates JEHOVAH went to Sodom (two of the three arrived) and Gen.18:22 indicates he stayed. You only accept what verse 22 says while disregarding what verse 21 says? Do you 'think' this is wise? Could these verses be telling us instead that all three “Angels” (called men) spoke for JEHOVAH? What about Gen.19:24… Gen.19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Are you to 'assume' the third man (Gen.19:24) now joined the two that were present at Sodom? Please explain Gen.19:24 with regard to the two Angels carrying out the act? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj There were two men with Jehovah and Abraham.  Jehovah said that He would go down now to Sodom and they all started heading that way when Abraham started asking Jehovah questions.  The other two kept going and after Abraham and Jehovah were finished talking, Jehovah departed from Abraham.  After that, only two men, who were revealed as angels, are mentioned to be with Lot.  There are no specifics about where Jehovah departed to although we can assume from where He said that He was going to go, that He went to Sodom in some way to verify what He needed to verify in order to destroy the land through the two angels. Hi LU, Abraham is sa id to be speaking to “YHVH” as he talked with first three men(Gen.18:1-2,10-21), later one(Gen.18:22-33). Now first you say one of the three men is “YHVH”, then you say Abraham is instead talking to Jesus(of the three men called Angels); is this (in essence) what you have said? Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj,
I am saying that the three men that Abraham runs out to meet consist of two angels and Jehovah who is the Son of God. The Son of God in this passage is not Jesus because Jesus has not been born yet. Abraham is being visited by Jehovah as the Son of God prior to His incarnation. There were not three angels, just two.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Where does scripture say it is Jesus or did you add that little bit??

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2010,00:38)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2010,14:02) Remember the whole Lord God with the Outstretched Arm who is presented as one. Hi Kathi, I looked all over for the “outstretched arm” posts last weekend, but couldn't find them.  So since you brought it up again, read this: In view of all this his anger has not turned back, but his hand is stretched out still. 5 “Aha, the As‧syr′i‧an, the rod for my anger, and the stick that is in their hand for my denunciation! 6 Against an apostate nation I shall send him, and against the people of my fury I shall issue a command to him, to take much spoil and to take much plunder and to make it a trampling place like the clay of the streets. Jehovah's “outstretched arm” in this case was the King of Assyria, who he was going to send to destroy Jerusalem.  Then later, when the King started bragging that he did it by his “own powerful arm” and understanding, He foretells how He will destroy that king.  For is the ax greater than the one who swings it, or can the rod lift the one holding it? 13 For he (the king of Assyria) has said, ‘With the power of my hand I shall certainly act, and with my wisdom, for I do have understanding; and I shall remove the boundaries of peoples, and their things stored up I shall certainly pillage, and I shall bring down the inhabitants just like a powerful one. 14 And just as if a nest, my hand will reach the resources of the peoples; and just as when one gathers eggs that have been left, I myself will gather up even all the earth, and there will certainly be no one fluttering [his] wings or opening [his] mouth or chirping.’” 15 Will the ax enhance itself over the one chopping with it, or the saw magnify itself over the one moving it back and forth, as though the staff moved back and forth the ones raising it on high, as though the rod raised on high the one who is not wood? My point is that the “oustretched arm” is a metaphor for the “tools” Jehovah uses to fulfill His purposes.  It was not always Jesus.  Jesus was, however, the “tool” he used to fulfill His purpose of cleansing mankind's sins, so he could again be righteous in calling us righteous.  Many people, diseases, famines, etc. were at one time or another, Jehovah's “outstretched arm”. peace and love, mike

Mike,
Please give me book, chapter for your passage. Is it in Isaiah? What chapter? Thanks! K

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,21:40)

Hi LU, Where does scripture say it is Jesus or did you add that little bit??

Nick,
I didn't say it was Jesus, I said it was the Son of God before He became Jesus. Many can perceive this!

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,19:20)

Hi LU, You will not find much support even within your fellowship for your binity theory. The Lord is the Spirit.

Nick,
Most within my fellowship believes that Jesus is God and that the Father is God.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Most of the world is confused about God.
They are under the spell of the evil one.
We serve the God of Jesus and of Israel

[Lightenup]

Nick,
Many serve that which they do not know? The Jews thought their God was one being.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God is one and Jesus came to tell us about Him.
Instead they built temples to the Son.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
In what way would those who tried to worship Paul have been helped in their relationship with his God?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,21:56)

Hi LU, God is one and Jesus came to tell us about Him. Instead they built temples to the Son.

Nick,
Jesus is the head of the Church. God is the head of Christ. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. Jesus told us the truth about His Father. The Holy Spirit will teach you about Jesus.

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,22:00)

Hi LU, In what way would those who tried to worship Paul have been helped in their relationship with his God?

Paul was just a man, He was not like Christ. We don't worship just men. A righteous man cannot save us.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Paul was a man and so was Jesus.

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,13:42)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2010,00:38) Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2010,14:02) Remember the whole Lord God with the Outstretched Arm who is presented as one. Hi Kathi, I looked all over for the “outstretched arm” posts last weekend, but couldn't find them.  So since you brought it up again, read this: In view of all this his anger has not turned back, but his hand is stretched out still. 5 “Aha, the As‧syr′i‧an, the rod for my anger, and the stick that is in their hand for my denunciation! 6 Against an apostate nation I shall send him, and against the people of my fury I shall issue a command to him, to take much spoil and to take much plunder and to make it a trampling place like the clay of the streets. Jehovah's “outstretched arm” in this case was the King of Assyria, who he was going to send to destroy Jerusalem.  Then later, when the King started bragging that he did it by his “own powerful arm” and understanding, He foretells how He will destroy that king.  For is the ax greater than the one who swings it, or can the rod lift the one holding it? 13 For he (the king of Assyria) has said, ‘With the power of my hand I shall certainly act, and with my wisdom, for I do have understanding; and I shall remove the boundaries of peoples, and their things stored up I shall certainly pillage, and I shall bring down the inhabitants just like a powerful one. 14 And just as if a nest, my hand will reach the resources of the peoples; and just as when one gathers eggs that have been left, I myself will gather up even all the earth, and there will certainly be no one fluttering [his] wings or opening [his] mouth or chirping.’” 15 Will the ax enhance itself over the one chopping with it, or the saw magnify itself over the one moving it back and forth, as though the staff moved back and forth the ones raising it on high, as though the rod raised on high the one who is not wood? My point is that the “oustretched arm” is a metaphor for the “tools” Jehovah uses to fulfill His purposes.  It was not always Jesus.  Jesus was, however, the “tool” he used to fulfill His purpose of cleansing mankind's sins, so he could again be righteous in calling us righteous.  Many people, diseases, famines, etc. were at one time or another, Jehovah's “outstretched arm”. peace and love, mike Mike, Please give me book, chapter for your passage.  Is it in Isaiah?  What chapter?  Thanks! K

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[Lightenup]

Thanks Edj! Just noticed that you put the reference for me.

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