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If Jesus is not wrong, then the only true God is the Father and Jesus is his son. But if you are right that the Father is the only true God and so is Jesus, then Jesus was clearly wrong. So the choice you offer me is to believe DavidL or Jesus Christ. And you already know who I have chosen.
Read his words for yourself. If you continue to ignore him, then that is not my problem or Jesus problem, but your problem.
JESUS SAID, “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.
No matter what you say and no matter what you accuse me of, you cannot change this truth one iota. It is best for you and all humanity to start declaring the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Religion and tradition cannot save you. But since you attack this truth, then will it be you or the truth to stand at the end of the day, because you are competing against this truth.I have made my point – and you continue to confirm it… YOUR ARGUMENT IS CONTRIVED – it is completely based on your own logic and devoid of any Spiritual reality..
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Truth is not discerned or ascertained by intellectual means…and yet you continue to look to your own MIND to comprehend the things of God…
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You have created a carnal doctrine to explain what the Apostles called ‘a mystery’…and you take this same verse (that Arius used) to try and prove your false argument..
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You might fool some, but I tell you plainly – your teaching is false.DavidL. There is a difference between reading what Jesus said, and then adding to his words a third century doctrine. A little yeast spreads through the whole batch of dough.
Jesus said, “eternal life is this, to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. It means what it says. No cryptic hidden meaning here because he wants all to have eternal life.
The absence of the Spirit to bare witness to your teaching is what overrides your own testimony.. revealing rather conspicuously that your message does NOT originate from the Spirit, but from your own mind.
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You say the doctrine of the Trinity is false…but the evidence you present is purely canal based on ‘logic’ and not inspired – you show that you have NOT prayed/meditated and received understanding from God through His Word…but rather you have formed your own doctrinal opinions in study OUTSIDE of the Bible, and then attempt to prove your theory by using individual verses that SOUND like they agree with what YOU think…(putting the cart before the horse).
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Thus, like the heretic Arius who tried to deny the Trinity in 325 AD, you pick out John 17:3 because if you isolate this one verse you can make it SEEM to confirm your own mistaken conclusions…
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BUT you cannot take one verse against the weight of Scripture…if you do, you have to start CHANGING Scripture itself, starting with Jhn 1:1 AND then re-interpreting (in a carnal sense) EVERY other verse that directly relates to the Deity of Christ..so that you are left with some sort of god-like jesus existing separate to the Father whom you think we should all bow to, and call our ‘lord’..!?
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If you trust in a LOGICAL belief then your faith is based on a CARNAL foundation and will never stand the days that lie ahead – our understanding MUST be moulded by the Spirit, NOT by the ideas and teachings of man..
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Tragically this was the error of the Jewish Rabbis who, trusting in their own wisdom to guide them, rejected their Messiah – why ? because they had created their own dead theological teachings APART from the Spirit..and so failed to recognize (or had become too proud and conceited in their own teachings) to receive the revelation of Truth when manifested to them..
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truth is attained solely through the Spirit of God – and the Spirit Himself bares witness to it..the rest is merely fruit from the tree of knowledge…dead religion – if we love the truth we will recognize the difference.Your opinions matter little. Scripture matters much. Like Paul, I encourage those who check out what is being taught matches scripture. And I care not that it goes against the mainstream. Evolution is mainstream science, so what does that tell you. It tells me that there are doctrines and beliefs that are widespread and yet are wrong. Do not think for one minute that those who wholeheartedly believe in Evolution are just as convinced as you are of the Trinity. Satan deceives the whole world. Deception is making people believe in something that is not true. Scripture is one guide and an important one on whether you err. It neither teaches Evolution or the Trinity.
Jesus said, “eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God (The Father), and Jesus Christ whom he (The only true God) has sent.
NOTE: Parenthesis added by me.Christ is equal to God…
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“I and the Father are one.” John 10:30
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“For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” John 5:18
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“And the high priest said to Him, ‘I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.’ Jesus said to him, ‘You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.’ Then the high priest tore his robes and said, ‘He has blasphemed!'” Matthew 26:63-65
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“When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.'” Matthew 28:18
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“..who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.”
1 Peter 3:22
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If Christ were not God (ONE with the Father) it would be idolatry to worship Him.“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3
There is no three in one.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens **alone**;
***that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself***.wakeup.
Hi Leon – I think I’ve made my point clear enough…obviously people are always going to see what they want to see in the Scriptures, but that doesn’t mean it’s the truth.
People see the Trinity because that is what they subscribed too and it is hard for people to admit they are wrong, so will defend their pet doctrines even in the face of truth and/or scripture.
This mainstream doctrine is of the world. The world is the mainstream.We know that apostasy is real, yet many who know this are not willing to question the Trinity Doctrine.
Question everything. Check it out with scripture.DavidL.
To believe in the trinity is willing to contradict many scriptures.
Are you happy with that? Millions believe in the trinity doctrine:Yet Christ said: No man KNOWS the Son but the Father, and no man KNOWS the Father but the Son;AND HE WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.Are you right? And Christ wrong?
You have denied one scripture already;are you going to deny this one as well,FOR THE SAKE OF DOCTRINE?hi
apostasy did come after the apostles were gone yet it started while they were still there Paul and John speaks about them ,
apostasy is the step away from the righteousness and truth of God ;anyone that does this is or becomes an apostate ;that simple ;for their is only one Gospel ,that preach,ONE GOD,ONE TRUTH,ONE CHRIST ,ONE SON,ONE KINGDOM,ONE RIGHTEOUSNESS,ONE RESURRECTION,ONE SPIRIT ,AND SO ONLY ONE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN ALL AND FOR ALL ;ALL OTHERS ARE APOSTATES
IT IS OUR DUTY BEFORE GOD TO SEEK HIM AND HIS TRUE KINGDOM OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,WITH IN OURSELVES THE FIRST COMMANDMENT AND SO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SECOND OF CHRIST COMMANDMENT AS TO BE ADDED TO IT ,IF WE BELONG TO HIM THE SON OF GOD .
sorry Wakeup – you’re welcome to comment on what’s already been posted, but as far as I’m concerned the debate is over.
Further, we read in Revelation that even during the Tribulation that men were not willing to give up their idols, and not willing to give the one true God the glory that is his. The heart of man is proud and obstinate.
Did not look at your linked video. Saw a few moments and it looks like a “guilt by association” attempted slam job. “Uh, some strange long-haired freak is teaching such-and-such, of which I disagree means everyone who believes what he is teaching is the same.” Ho hum!
The tables can be turned with the mention of a few names: Swaggart; Oral Roberts; Robertson; Haggard [trinity cult members]…um, you get the drift.David, it is perfectly OK to change your belief. You will not be condemned because you once held a false belief. I used to believe the trinity stuff too, albeit with reservations. This site is loaded with Scriptures that destroy the trinity doctrine. The private interpretation of John 1:1 is contradictory to well over 100 verses where Jesus unequivocally stated he is the SON of God.
The Apostles never taught the trinity and who would know first hand?
Think about what is on this site. Pray for guidance and direction and then look to the “trinitarian silver bullets” against what Christ himself said, and better yet, what Jehovah God said.
Have a great day.
For us there is one God the Father, and one Lord the Lord Jesus Christ.
Are you one with us @DavidL ?
Hi,
How soon did men wander off the path of truth?
3 Jn9f
I wrote to the church; but Diothephes, who loveth to have the pre-eminence among them, receiveth us not
Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words; and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
The wolf did not spare the sheep
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