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Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. That is scripture and it is true, and you hassle me because of this.
Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true trinue God and in particular Jesus the son of God, and his Father, the Father of God”. This understanding is not said by Jesus or anyone in the Bible. It is a derived dogma and you are under its influence.
Again, your argument is not against me – but against Scripture..!!!
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You pick this verse out in an attempt to validate your theory against the Trinity…yet the Bible clearly states that the Word was God. You reject this and re-interpret it to suit your ideas – but that’s your problem..I believe the Bible..!!!
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Bottom line – the things you teach are based on your own carnal premise, and simply hold no weight when it comes to the revelation of God and truth.You say I pick one verse and yes I have mainly picked one verse because that is enough. I personally do not recommend you reject Jesus words when he said, “eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.
Of course you are free to reject them, but I advise against it.
Have you ever read this.
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Why act like them and deny the only true God AND the one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ? Do you really want to be counted with them?
These scriptures are given to you to correct and even rebuke you. Obviously they are not admonishing you. That is a pity.Just as the Pharisees held themselves up as children of Abraham – so all false religions and cults attempt to align themselves with the genuine article..
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Cinderella’s step-sisters all tried to squeeze their chubby feet into the Prince’s glass slipper – and all false teachers will attempt to wiggle and fit their carnal ideas into the divine teachings of Jesus Christ..
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thus many are deceived by those who outwardly seem to know the truth, when in fact they are promoting nothing but their own false knowledge..Still not buying it DavidL. I believe Jesus when he said that the Father is the only true God. Your hidden secret illogical meaning that you speak of is not for me. I refuse to consume the leaven you are offering me regarding who Jesus is. I stand by Peter when he said, “you are the son of the living God, and the messiah”.
Jesus is the son of this God that you call the Trinity. And you can say you believe Peter, but if that was the case, then you believe that the Trinity had a son. Sorry, not buying it.I can do what? Believe in the Trinity. Sure I could do it if I suppressed the truth in my heart and stopped trusting the scriptures. But I choose to believe that Jesus is the son of the true God and God made him both Lord and Christ.
‘Jesus Christ is Lord’. That is my confession. Yours is ‘Jesus Christ is God’.
so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
One day you will bow the knee and confess this truth. But it is us who do that now. Paul said: “for us there is one God the Father, and one Lord the Lord Jesus Christ”.Don’t suppress the truth, no – cast aside your rags of uninspired theology and believe the Living un-tampered Word of Scripture…that says – Jesus is Lord AND God..!!!
Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.
I believe this and it is this belief that you condemn me for. How did it get to this DavidL. You thought you were soldering along, and yet find yourself on the wrong side of Jesus words.
Paul said, “For us, there is one God the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
I believe this and it is this belief that you condemn me for. How did it get to this DavidL. You thought you were soldering along, and yet find yourself on the wrong side of Paul’s words.
Scripture says, “every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”. Yet your confession is “Jesus Christ is God”.
DavidL, God is graceful. He is giving you time to align to his truth before God sends his son back to take his own. Do not reject the hand that is reaching out to you. The time is short and he is coming back for a spotless bride.no matter how much you try and align your anti-trinity theology with Scripture, the bottom line is – you’re teaching cult doctrine…
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Really I think you just like to debate…it is for you a test of your intellectual strength, but for your own sake consider how the Bible warns that those who take it upon themselves to teach, receive a greater condemnation (or stricter judgment) – if you are not guiding people according to the Holy Spirit, but instead just expounding your own wisdom…then you are held responsible for leading those souls astray.lol.
Jesus said, “eternal life is this, to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.
That’s it. And to argue against it is to be against Jesus.You want me to think I’m arguing against Jesus, but again this is exactly how cults manipulate their followers – making you believe that if you reject THEIR teaching you’re actually rejecting God…!
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The problem is – you take the Bible and interpret it in a way that denies what the Bible ITSELF teaches..!!
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Consider it this way…
Man is triune – body, soul, spirit…
his world is triune – earth, sea, sky…
his enemy is triune – 666…
..but when it comes to his Creator – you deny His triune existence, because you have got hung-up on Roman Catholic doctrine..!!!DavidL, all I see from your above post is human reasoning which is what you accuse me of, yet I give you scripture and no man-made examples such as you. Remember the speck and log?
You say the Earth is a Triune object, well it is easy to count three. Quadratarians could add in the earth’s liquid core, Quinatarians could add in atmosphere, stratosphere, or where ever you decide to draw the line with human reasoning. Even the “water is solid liquid and gas” example is flawed. Water has a fourth state called Plasma. And what is the sky you speak of? It is the many levels of atmosphere then the Moon, Venus etc, the Milky Way, and Andromeda (the next galaxy), the Local Group, and other clusters of galaxies.
Scripture says that the LORD GOD is one. What verse says that the LORD GOD is triune? VERSE PLEASE. If there is no verse, then what are you doing?
You obviously have no idea on how ridiculous your evidence for the Trinity is.Because you rely on your carnal understanding you think the evidence is ridiculous, but if you would have ears to hear and eyes to see then you would know how ridiculous your arguments are against the tri-unity of the Godhead… for you attempt to explain away in logical terms what can only be comprehended spiritually – THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER..
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Yet even common sense can show us that the ONENESS of our Creator God is not meant in an INDIVIDUAL way but in the sense of UNITY – thus the simple illustration I gave of man being made up of three parts – THREE separate beings (Body, Soul, Spirit) that together unite to make ONE person.. which again is reflected in our creation, made up of THREE separate worlds (Earth, Sea, Sky), complete with their own creatures and separate modes of existence, that again combine to make up our ONE world. Again this tri-unity is seen in Satan’s 666, etc, THREE separate entities working together in the ONE bond of complete UNITY, and singleness of purpose.
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Of course you reject this because it exposes the fallacy of your own teaching..yet your response does not diminish the overall fact that creation clearly shows forth the reality of God’s Triune existence…(if you look).
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John starts his Gospel – “In the beginning…God” linking us back to the very first words of Scripture to show that the word “God” includes Jesus Christ.. Genesis confirms this plurality when God Himself says, Let US make man in OUR image…this really is the progressive revelation of the WHOLE of Scripture..(if you have eyes to see)..
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You say He is Lord and this much is true, but sooner or later (probably when you give up debating) you will discover that the reality of His Lordship incorporates His UNITY with the Father as God..
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..but for now it should be more than enough to know that what you teach about the Trinity is no different than what the CULTS teach – they ALL deny it.DavidL, I give scripture and you give me a third century doctrine that developed over time from past pagan influences.
You say carnal mindedness is involved. It sure is. Scripture is not carnal but this extra-biblical doctrine is.
Paul commended those who sought scripture to test his teaching. I do the same with you and you do not have the same view of scriptural importance as he did. If you did, then why ignore what those scriptures clearly say. And many from Jesus himself no less.The Pharisees had Scriptures coming out their ears but unfortunately it didn’t improve their hearing any..Scripture alone is not enough.
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What you give is what all cult groups give – Scripture twisted to suit your own theology..
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What we want t8 is TRUTH…but you have wandered far from the True Light into the world of false doctrine and deception…relying on your own carnal reasoning – when Scripture itself admonishes us to LEAN NOT ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING…Your lean on your own understanding DavidL.
I believe Jesus is right about the Father being the one true God. But you disagree publicly about this. No amount of detail, opinion, or accusation against me is going to change this fact. The Father is the one true God and Jesus is the one that God made both Lord and Christ.
You will confess this eventually DavidL. But accusing me of wrong for confessing it now shows that you are yet ready to confess the truth that the one true God (the Father) made Jesus Lord.Regardless of all your Scriptures – WHAT YOU TEACH IS WRONG..
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and the primary way I KNOW it is wrong is because there is no LIFE in what you give – it does NOT originate from God but rather is the PRODUCT of your own mind..
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You have NOT been led of the Spirit in this (or your teaching on hell), but led of your own reasoning..and because of this you have gotten completely off track.
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Apart from the term itself ‘Trinity’, the truth of the Godhead and Deity of Christ is OBVIOUSLY Divinely inspired…and those who are led of the Spirit have no difficulty or problem with this truth…
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Sure, you may be able to quote different scholars and theologians to back your teaching and interpretations of Scripture…but all you are doing is contrasting your own theological ideas with spiritual truth…contradicting saints of old – men, such as Spurgeon, Luther, Bunyan etc, etc, who where led of God to live and to preach the Word, and who KNEW and BELIEVED and TAUGHT the truth of the Tri-unity of God…yet you unwittingly put yourself in opposition to all these God-fearing saints, basically saying your carnal teaching gives us a GREATER understanding of God and the Scriptures…!?! when if fact you have become spiritually blind and misled – this is the conceitedness and absolute folly of trusting your own logic to guide you…
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it is in fact the way that SEEMS right…(to the carnal mind), but the end thereof is DEATH…separation from the Spirit of God.What you are saying is that Jesus is wrong when he said, “for this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. I am merely the messenger of Jesus own words. why shoot me? I do not claim to be the author of these words. I merely am repeating them. Your problem is with the one who spoke these words.
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