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The general consensus with Catholic Eschatology experts is that the Revelation account of the mark of the beast were referring to actual historical persecution of The Church and were not intended to be prophecy but to give courage to Christians to not lose heart. But as has been seen many times in the bible it is often the case that the prophets and inspired writers themselves did not know the full extent and meanings that were conveyed by their words and the meanings did not fully come out for many centuries.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=338072THEY BELIEVE IT’S ALL IN THE PAST. REVELATIONS IS NOT PROPHECY, BUT HISTORY.
NO WARNING TO THE FLOCK.ANGLICAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
When I was a very young lad, the Books of Daniel and Revelations were my favorite. To a boy under ten years, it was difficult to grasp the symbology scattered throughout both books. It was then difficult for me to understand how mankind could be so callously ignorant as to be deceived by the coming Anti-Christ; but now I can see that this is actually happening in our time. As I read in Revelations “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads” I worried that I would be held down, branded, and damned without recourse. Of course, I have come to know better as I have matured in God’s Word. The Mark of the Beast is not a brand, or mark placed ON the forehead, but inside the forehead. It is a conscious decision made in the frontal lobe of the brain which is the seat of judgment and decision making.
http://anglicanorthodoxchurch.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/mark-of-beast-or-seal-of-god-22-august.htmlIT’S A CONSCIOUS DECISION, BUT ON WHAT?
NO WARNING TO THE FLOCK.BAPTIST CHURCH.
The question, of course, is what is the mark of the beast? The Greek word translated “mark” is the word εικονος, from which we get icon, meaning likeness. [9] Used to be that the mark of the beast was thought to be a particular tattoo shape, just one more reason why many Christians opposed tattoos. However, of late more and more the opinion is developing that the mark of the beast may be some form of RFID, because of its commercial application, and in light of Revelation 13.17: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” What makes the mark of the beast irreconcilable with faith in Christ, of course, is that not only is the mark of the beast required to buy and sell, but especially because the mark of the beast is a sign of submission and worship to the antichrist, which no real believer in Jesus Christ will give in to even at the cost of his own life.
http://www.calvaryroadbaptist.org/sermon.php?sermonDate=20131023cI THINK THEY ARE ON TO IT. THE BEST ONE I’VE READ SO FAR.
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The question, of course, is what is the mark of the beast? The Greek word translated “mark” is the word εικονος, from which we get icon, meaning likeness. [9] Used to be that the mark of the beast was thought to be a particular tattoo shape, just one more reason why many Christians opposed tattoos. However, of late more and more the opinion is developing that the mark of the beast may be some form of RFID, because of its commercial application, and in light of Revelation 13.17: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” What makes the mark of the beast irreconcilable with faith in Christ, of course, is that not only is the mark of the beast required to buy and sell, but especially because the mark of the beast is a sign of submission and worship to the antichrist, which no real believer in Jesus Christ will give in to even at the cost of his own life.
http://www.calvaryroadbaptist.org/sermon.php?sermonDate=20131023c
I THINK THEY ARE ON TO IT. THE BEST ONE I’VE READ SO FAR.
You agree with how Baptists believe about the mark. Baptists are a large denomination. You prove MY point. You prove that one of the largest denominations teach what YOU believe. You nullified your claim.
You talk as if God Almighty Himself has personally delivered to you ALL the answers on a silver platter. You talk as if you have it all figured out. Who are you to say that YOU are correct in all of your deciphering of scripture and others are not? Does not scripture tell us to continually search for truth? Does scripture ever say there will be those that will have to seek no more because they have reached the pinnacle of wisdom and knowledge? If it does, please show me scriptures that say that. God gives you some parts of the puzzle and He gives me and others different parts of the puzzle. Together as the Body we fit those pieces together which broadens our insight. It’s not the Wakeup and Journey Show. It’s not about Wakeup and Journey being the only source of revelation and truth here and the rest of the Body just nodding yes in agreement and not contributing; but instead are being spoon fed by you two. No one is going to put you on pedestals… No part of the Body is greater than another part…or more valuable than another part. WE ALL contribute…get it? So stop being the eye that thinks it is more worthy than the ear.
I can admit that I do not know for certain what the mark will eventually be, but I have enough wisdom to put a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. I can be honest and admit I DO NOT know everything and will not know everything UNTIL Christ returns. How about you? If someone makes a point, I contemplate that point and am not quick to disregard. Are you able to do that? If not, why not? Pride, perhaps? Arrogance, perhaps?
You and Wakeup make claims and then turn around and tell others to prove you wrong…
You could say the new song you are singing is that Ronald McDonald will reign for 1000 years alongside Christ and the Bride or something else just as wacky – and when someone calls you out on it or questions your interpretations, you then turn around and tell those people to prove you wrong.
From what I can tell, you are set in stone and unwilling to be open to new revelations. You two believe that you are pillars of perfected truth/knowledge…and are quick to condemn others for being so stupid as to not recognize that! How dare we!
Tell me, are you perfect already?
Is it impossible for you to ever fail or misjudge or make mistakes?
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GrasshopperJourney, “no”. I am not reading Orthodox material.
Wakeup, Devolution and Journey.
Simple.
1) If we are told to get a microchip, we say no, in case it is the mark of the beast.
But, how could a microchip be put in the FOREHEAD? Seems strange to me.
2) Nevertheless….. If if it is a card staring if we are Christian, Muslim or Jew, or Other, we state Christian. Simple as that.
3) But, we always seek for a deeper meaning. We consider the possibility that – that all aside and dealt with – it could be an invisible, spiritual mark.
So, numbers 1 and 2 are easy. Who cares if we have no food or house?
25 “For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Number 3, however, is harder, because you could miss the truth by looking at the too obvious.
To whomever may be concerned,
The number 6 symbolizes both humanity and beasts of the land as God created them both on the Sixth Night and Day.
It was also on the six hundredth year of Noah’s life that the Great Deluge Began, Genesis 7,11.
Jacob labored 6 years for the cattle he obtained from Laban, Genesis 31:41.
God labored 6 days to created the heavens and the earth, Exodus 20:11.
A Hebrew servant serves 6 years, Exodus 21:2.
You agree with how Baptists believe about the mark. Baptists are a large denomination. You prove MY point. You prove that one of the largest denominations teach what YOU believe. You nullified your claim.
Not all christians are baptists. Common sense will tell you that.
You talk as if God Almighty Himself has personally delivered to you ALL the answers on a silver platter.
Is that so? Lets look at how many more stones you will throw?
Nothing is handed to us on a silver platter. We are not born with knowledge. We are guided to seek it in the holy scriptures.
Are you off the milk yet? or just a grasshopper cadet still with authority to judge this matter without reasoning?You talk as if you have it all figured out.
You just said that in different words. How is this conversation going to edify anyone?
Who are you to say that YOU are correct in all of your deciphering of scripture and others are not?
Because GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PASTORS AND THE CHURCHES. THEIR PASTURES ARE GOING TO BE SPOILED. THE FLOCKS WILL HAVE NO WHERE TO GRAZE. Why? BECAUSE THE ENEMY HAS INFILTRATED THE CHURCHES DONT YOU GET IT? THE FALLING AWAY IS COMING. CHURCHES HAVE MONEY, THEY LOVE IT. THEY GET FAT OF THE FLOCKS. THEY ARE HIRED SHEPHERDS. THEY TREAT IT AS A JOB AND DON’T CARE FOR THE SHEEP. AND THE SHEEP ARE SO SLEEPY THEY DON’T CARE, BUT IF SOMEONE WAKES THEM UP THEY GET VERY ANGRY.
Does not scripture tell us to continually search for truth?
Did I say otherwise?
Does scripture ever say there will be those that will have to seek no more because they have reached the pinnacle of wisdom and knowledge?
I never said that lady, and you want to know what it says;
Mark 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Take heed lady what you hear. And with what you hear, how are you going to respond? IN RIGHTEOUSNESS OR WITH MALICE?, whatever you choose it will BE MEASURED RIGHT BACK TO YOU. Taken AWAY from YOU. And if YOU HEAR something and use RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, MORE WILL BE ADDED TO YOU. Even if you don’t get it straight away, the holy spirit will do his job and reveal it to you soon.
The Kingdom is inside YOU. You can only see it with your understanding. God will show it to you inside your mind, your thoughts,..he will show you the whole lot if you calm down.
So Ponder on what’s being said. for you to show me such malice, I’m gobsmacked, and I am a child of God too.
Only God can give you understanding, not me. So be careful how you answer and throw stones because GOD CAN SEE RIGHT INSIDE YOUR HEART, and he will make it MANIFEST for ALL TO SEE and may CUT YOU OFF and lead you to be deceived.If it does, please show me scriptures that say that. God gives you some parts of the puzzle and He gives me and others different parts of the puzzle.
Thats how it should work in this house. Every body share. But you laid the ASSULT, to join the rest, and still have not answered my questions, but only want to CATCH ME OUT ON MY WORDS, like everyone else here.
Together as the Body we fit those pieces together which broadens our insight. It’s not the Wakeup and Journey Show.
Seriously, We are prepared to stand up and speak. We don’t hide in the corner. It’s driven from INSIDE US to speak out and not hush up just because people don’t like what we are saying. We are mainly discussing SCRIPTURES here, not what we had for breakfast.
It’s not about Wakeup and Journey being the only source of revelation and truth here and the rest of the Body just nodding yes in agreement and not contributing; but instead are being spoon fed by you two.
We bring up many topics. We especially like the prophesies. Without Wakeup the prophesies are dead, and I think T8 wants it that way. None of you have a clue what we are talking about. Go to other sites, and see the prophecy section, you will see
many have been given knowledge. We can have intellegent conversations with them and they know what we are talking about because they have been given knowledge too. Doesn’t mean we agree on EVERYTHING, but can get into finer details.
We are not the only ones with knowledge on this planet. Many have been given.
We’ve tried to explain some things like you would to a little child, realising every body is at different levels. Can accept that, and do not mock that. But when the little child starts throwing a tantrum, it gets tiring. He even admits sometimes that he doesn’t know, but can judge such matters with spoken authority? On what authority? The “I DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT” Authority.And some here are better at other subjects in proving God’s existence like T8 for example. He has more knowledge of science and can communicate better on that level. We just happen to love prophesies because it concerns the end times, and we believe we are at the end times and the door will be closed soon. We are labouring for the Lord, witnesses to his truth. Trying to guide you guys in the right direction but turns out you have trampled everything we have said, or ignored.
No one is going to put you on pedestals… No part of the Body is greater than another part…or more valuable than another part. WE ALL contribute…get it? So stop being the eye that thinks it is more worthy than the ear.
Did they put Jesus on a pedestal? NO THEY KILLED HIM.
THEY FALSELY ACCUSED HIM BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THEY HATED HIS KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE HE MADE THEM LOOK BAD. THEY WERE WICKED INSIDE.
God is the only one to be put on a pedestal through his Son Jesus Christ, the Word of God. We testify of his truth, and show you guys you can also be rich in knowledge and wisdom if you would only listen to some of the scriptures and the message. We stand by them, and we did not write the scriptures.I can admit that I do not know for certain what the mark will eventually be, but I have enough wisdom to put a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. I can be honest and admit I DO NOT know everything and will not know everything UNTIL Christ returns. How about you?
I’m not going to stand here and say “I don’t Know”, and act as if I have not been given anything.. I am grateful for all he has shown me. He has shown me his whole plan from beginning to end. I didn’t get it on a silver platter, but I searched for it, and he gave it to me in about 3 years, bit by bit, and since then filled in some very specific details until the full picture emerged.
So why should I rejoice as if I havn’t received it just to appease you and others?
God is still showing us things. Every time you guys make a big deal of us with your malice, do you know God opens up something else to us from the scriptures? He sees what we are going through and gives some encouragement to keep going and throws more little gems our way so we can rejoice. He never stops feeding us. We will keep feeding to the day we die as long as our noses are buried in his word.If someone makes a point, I contemplate that point and am not quick to disregard. Are you able to do that? If not, why not? Pride, perhaps? Arrogance, perhaps?
Concerning this subject, I could pretend, but I have been through this before many many times. I am not going to pretend sorry. I didn’t disregard you, you attacked me with your words. I tried to use reasoning, and I wanted you to engage in that, but have to go through all this instead. So what’s come out of it? NOTHING.
You and Wakeup make claims and then turn around and tell others to prove you wrong…
Thats right. If we have put the post on, and someone disagrees, they should prove what we have said that contradicts those scriptures we are speaking of. Sometimes Pierre puts on scriptures totally unrelated – nothing to do with the subject. and says “See I showed you”. That doesn’t cut it.
You could say the new song you are singing is that Ronald McDonald will reign for 1000 years alongside Christ and the Bride or something else just as wacky – and when someone calls you out on it or questions your interpretations, you then turn around and tell those people to prove you wrong.
Look how I’m addressing your every word? Are you going to do the same for me?
That singing as if it were “a new song” happens to be mentioned in scripture. Only the 144,000 who followed the lamb know it.
If anyone wants to refute it, and call it baloney, then prove it wrong with scripture, after all whose quoting it? If you see something wrong with the message then address it, is all we are asking. Not throw stones and attack us personally. How is God going to look at that for you guys?From what I can tell, you are set in stone and unwilling to be open to new revelations. You two believe that you are pillars of perfected truth/knowledge…and are quick to condemn others for being so stupid as to not recognize that! How dare we!
You are just repeating yourself over and over. You have so much anger fueled in you. Are you sure you’ve only been on here for a short time? You speak like an old enemy?
Tell me, are you perfect already?
What do you think? None of us are perfect. We will be made perfect at the resurrection.
Is it impossible for you to ever fail or misjudge or make mistakes?
Certainly it’s possible. If God wants to take away what he gave us, we can be blowing with every wind of doctrine and end up CONFUSED. He could send us BACKWARDS and what we once understood turns into a hazy dark cloud.
Concerning small mistakes, of course we can make them, small details, but not concerning doctrine. We are not going to rejoice as if we did not receive it just to make you guys feel better.Journey, we all feel passionate about some part of our belief.
I am convinced myself there will be an end-time impersonator of Christ (Satan) who will deceive the whole world. The closest Christians to me however, do not understand completely what I am trying to warn them… I get frustrated… and eventually I give up warning, (though not entirely). Perhaps when the time comes, they will remember? Hard to tell… but, what more can be said when they don’t want to hear.
Just saying. I may not agree with you and Wakeup completely… but I understand the need to warn feeling.
Hi Grasshopper.
I noticed that you are angry with the messengers that brought you the message.
We are just humble messengers, with a message that happens to be not to your liking or taste.
You don’t like the message we are bringing to you, no need to abuse the carriers.
What you should do is sent a reply to the message, to the one who wrote the message.
Messages can not always be a good message; sometimes one gets a bad message, not to liking or taste.
Then his blood will curdle. So take it easy on the messengers/carriers.
I have one more gloomy message in my pouch for you to read.
It says: Seek ye first the kingdom of God. And I am to ask you this simple question; just a question.
Have you found the kingdom of God? The answer can only be either yes or no, or still working on it.
The last answer is the most popular.For your information; There is another message I have to give to you, so stay cool, and leave those stones on the ground.
That message is: Truly there are a few on earth today, that follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes;
and the Lamb has fed them with all knowledge according to His measure. And they knew the NEW SONG that NO ONE else knows.
This is that message I have to give to you, and brothers.
You can disagree with the message, but that is not the messengers concern; just doing a job.
Have a cool day.wakeup.
Journey, “no”. I am not reading Orthodox material.
OK thanks.
Wakeup, Devolution and Journey.
Simple.
1) If we are told to get a microchip, we say no, in case it is the mark of the beast.
But, how could a microchip be put in the FOREHEAD? Seems strange to me.
Cam
The chip is only very tiny, the size of a grain of rice, so no problem inserting into the forehead.
2) Nevertheless….. If if it is a card staring if we are Christian, Muslim or Jew, or Other, we state Christian. Simple as that.
Do you mean we state our religion when applying for the card? That’s how they might know?
3) But, we always seek for a deeper meaning. We consider the possibility that – that all aside and dealt with – it could be an invisible, spiritual mark.
It’s possible, but not reasonable for the system to work. They want to be able to trace us at all times. We need a tracking device put inside us so we ourselves and our activities can be monitored 24/7.
So, numbers 1 and 2 are easy. Who cares if we have no food or house?
Do you have children? They will say we are incapable to look after them. I can see them saying the most horrible things like we are starving our children to death, neglect, or denying them hospital care etc. I think they will take them off us, and our families and friends who don’t agree with our perspective may think we are being cruel also, so might dob us in thinking they are helping our children, but instead lead us to our death.
25 “For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
That’s right Cam. We need to meditate on these scriptures.
Our father does look after us, but he also warns us of what is coming and to get prepared for the big test.
I’m not saying it will be a walk in the park, but at least if we know beforehand, we can get prepared spiritually.
No need to stock up on food etc, we take it as it comes.34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Number 3, however, is harder, because you could miss the truth by looking at the too obvious.
To me, the truth is obvious and simple, but the enemy wants to complicate it.
Journey, we all feel passionate about some part of our belief.
I am convinced myself there will be an end-time impersonator of Christ (Satan) who will deceive the whole world. The closest Christians to me however, do not understand completely what I am trying to warn them… I get frustrated… and eventually I give up warning, (though not entirely). Perhaps when the time comes, they will remember? Hard to tell… but, what more can be said when they don’t want to hear.
Just saying. I may not agree with you and Wakeup completely… but I understand the need to warn feeling.
Cam
I understand and thank you.j42/wakeup/devo
We bring up many topics. We especially like the prophesies. Without Wakeup the prophesies are dead, and I think T8 wants it that way. None of you have a clue what we are talking about. Go to other sites, and see the prophecy section, you will see
many have been given knowledge. We can have intellegent conversations with them and they know what we are talking about because they have been given knowledge too. Doesn’t mean we agree on EVERYTHING, but can get into finer details.
We are not the only ones with knowledge on this planet. Many have been given.
We’ve tried to explain some things like you would to a little child, realising every body is at different levels. Can accept that, and do not mock that. But when the little child starts throwing a tantrum, it gets tiring. He even admits sometimes that he doesn’t know, but can judge such matters with spoken authority? On what authority? The “I DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT” Authority.And some here are better at other subjects in proving God’s existence like T8 for example. He has more knowledge of science and can communicate better on that level. We just happen to love prophesies because it concerns the end times, and we believe we are at the end times and the door will be closed soon. We are labouring for the Lord, witnesses to his truth. Trying to guide you guys in the right direction but turns out you have trampled everything we have said, or ignored.
let it be clear ,that if you do not understand the basic truth of what scriptures really saying and so believe not what scriptures says ,and so are your views guided by false understanding ; now why would those false views end up into the true vision in prophecy ?
any of the scriptures prophets all were true people versed in the truth of God almighty ,so that it was a powerful prophet in truth ,a false prophet does not have that truth of God ,for it is in this way we can tell who his who for our own sake
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