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Hi Everyone,
I created this thread because…
A. You may not even know why Adam is currently not Posting. And…
B. I'm interested in hearing what everyone thinks about this decision.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Everyone,
I thought I posted this in “Believers Place Politics”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2011,11:09) Hi Everyone, I thought I posted this in “Believers Place Politics”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDAll polls are to be posted in the “Polls” thread!
WJ
Hi WJ,
This is more about “Political” commentary and less about the Poll; …so I disagree with you!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
I think it's the right decision. Adam has been railing against the NT for quite a while now. T8 has set up this site so that those of us who believe in ALL of the scriptures can discuss them in the Believer's Section.
Adam admittedly does NOT believe ALL of the scriptures.
I personally like Adam. And I like Bod and Stu as well. I hope Adam doesn't take it personally, but understands that the different sections are in place for a reason.
mike
all
the problem with people who do not believe in scriptures or only certain parts of it ,is that there is no end to there discussion and it tails back and forth or in a cercle.
Pierre
this forum was at one time was a good place for truth, as of late, it has become nothing but a power struggle to say the least.
instead of requesting someone to the skeptics section, how about this, edj, i disagree with your numbers, mike, i disagree with you writing three page post. since this is established, you can just place me down in the skeptics area also.
i don't go just by the cannonized christian text, there now you have every reason to place me in skeptics. i would sooner be affiliated with skeptics by this forums point of view then be placed with some that think they have all the answers and understand truth to its fullest.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2011,09:39) Hi Ed, I think it's the right decision. Adam has been railing against the NT for quite a while now. T8 has set up this site so that those of us who believe in ALL of the scriptures can discuss them in the Believer's Section.
Adam admittedly does NOT believe ALL of the scriptures.
I personally like Adam. And I like Bod and Stu as well. I hope Adam doesn't take it personally, but understands that the different sections are in place for a reason.
mike
Hi Mike,I believe Adam has no interest in posting in the “Skeptics” section.
Would you call this… 'Adam taking it personally' ?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo all,
I do not support segregation as Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors.
It does depend on the viewpoint of the site administrator and the moderators he apoints.
The last I knew Adam did state he believed in Jesus but not the writers of the New Testiment. He also has some doubts about the old.
He gave another point of view that will be missed from our discussions.
Quote (princess @ Feb. 19 2011,14:19) this forum was at one time was a good place for truth, as of late, it has become nothing but a power struggle to say the least. instead of requesting someone to the skeptics section, how about this, edj, i disagree with your numbers, mike, i disagree with you writing three page post. since this is established, you can just place me down in the skeptics area also.
i don't go just by the cannonized christian text, there now you have every reason to place me in skeptics. i would sooner be affiliated with skeptics by this forums point of view then be placed with some that think they have all the answers and understand truth to its fullest.
You are wrong about it being about power.It is about posting topics in the appropriate area and if you do not believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God, then why post at all in Believers Section. The only reason to post is to promote unbelief.
So it is entirely appropriate to have a Skeptic Area for those who do not believe such things. Why? Because you then get topics that are posted in the right place and Believers do not get bombarded with arguments to God's existence in topics about baptism etc, and Skeptics get to ask questions or make arguments against scripture in places that others can find.
The current structure preserves integrity of the topics to a higher degree than having an anything goes policy. I actually doubt that anyone would bother coming here if you had topics that always contained unrelated content. If you disagree, then start up your own BBS and test your ideas.
As far as disagreeing with others over numbers and post lengths etc, such has nothing to do with beleif in God and his messiah/christ. These are just personal things that people express. If you don't like that or them, then you are free to not fellowship with them. The Internet has other forums where you might find people you like.
Also, I myself do not go only from canonized christian text. I think wisdom and truth is found in more places than people think. But if a person disbelieves the New Testament, then why are they posting in Believers Section? If they are skeptical or do not believe, there is a perfectly adequate section here called Skeptics Area where they can post. From there they can post till their hearts are content. They can question, complain, whatever.
Finally, if you really feel that you would prefer to relate to Skeptics than those who post in the Believers Area, then why don't you just go ahead and do that? Why complain when you are free to do this at anytime. Also, if you really want to be a Skeptic, then just ask in the Help Desk and it can be done relatively easily No questions asked.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2011,15:15) To all, I do not support segregation as Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors.
Kerwin. Jesus said, “what fellowship does light have with darkness”? Remember that darkness is the lack of light. So what fellowship does a person with the light have with one who does not?Believers who want to fellowship want to discuss or debate with other believers. If they want to defend the idea that God exists, or that Jesus is the son of God, then is there not a perfectly adequate forum for that? Yes, it is called “Skeptics Area”. I don't see any benefit for believers if they are posting in a topic about baptisms, to have to debate with Atheists, or if you were posting about Jesus nature to have to debate with those who do not believe that he even existed.
What part of preserving topic integrity do people find hard to understand? Do you really think that an anyone, anything, anywhere policy would make HN a better forum? Because I doubt that anyone would come here if everything was mixed up.
I mean, how would you feel if you typed into Google, “Ferrari” and the search results gave you instructions on how to boil an egg? Would you use Google if they had an any result policy with keywords that were typed into their search engine? No Google is great because it gives the best results from around the world in less than a second. Results that you are looking for. You might call that segregation of data, but I call that quality control and as the manger of this site, it is my job to organise things in such a way so that they are relevant and helpful to the readers.
When a person comes to the forums for the first time and sees a topic called “What was Jesus original name” what do you think they will expect to find? And if they read comments from Atheists about God doesn't exist, or Jesus doesn't exist, then has that person found what he was looking for? Or has he found a topic that is in the state of deterioration instead?
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2011,14:49) I believe Adam has no interest in posting in the “Skeptics” section.
Would you call this… 'Adam taking it personally' ?
Funny thing that. If a person is skeptical about scripture, and Jesus then why should they be offended at being put in the Skeptics Area? I mean if being a skeptic is offensive to them, then why be one?Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2011,10:07) all the problem with people who do not believe in scriptures or only certain parts of it ,is that there is no end to there discussion and it tails back and forth or in a cercle.
Pierre
I agree.Quote (princess @ Feb. 19 2011,14:19) mike, i disagree with you writing three page post.
Hi POK,I'm not sure what I ever did to you to make you dislike me. I've only ever discoursed with you about the subject of Moderating – and very briefly at that.
None of my “three page posts” have ever been directed to you, so why do you care how many words I post? You realize that you don't HAVE to read them, right?
I'm sorry that you are upset about our little “power struggles” about such petty and trivial things as scriptural truths, but I enjoy the way I do things. Thank you for your concern, though.
do take care,
mike'Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing…. In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus'
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.Hey t8,
Perhaps you could move the “original sin” thread that Adam started to the Skeptics Section. We have unanswered questions that he can no longer address.
mike
Hi Mike,
Good idea; I hope that he will then Post in it!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (princess @ Feb. 20 2011,03:31) 'Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing…. In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus'
Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with a Believers Area and a Skeptics Area.Believers have a wide range of opinions within the belief that Jesus is the son of God and he messiah, and Skeptics have a wide range of beliefs from God to Evolution to aliens.
Your point has nothing to do with the structure of the forums from what I can see. I can tell that you are disgruntled, but that has nothing to do with the current structure which I think works much better than a free for all unstructured BBS.
Also, if you look at the votes, you can see that it is 7 votes to 1 (maybe your vote). It is clear that Believers want a place to discuss doctrine without having to always defend God's existence or Jesus as the son of God. The forums were originally designed for this purpose so it is not as if there has been a big shift away at all. Read the home page. It says:
Quote Heaven Net is a website that is dedicated to encouraging believers in Christ to rise up and fight the good fight. There is also content for those who do not know God, but perhaps are curious and would like to know more about the Kingdom of Heaven. The main purpose of this site is to equip believers world-wide with resources that will encourage and build you up in your most holy faith and to encourage the unity in the faith that is required for the world to believe that Jesus is the Messiah. This idea that this statement conveys has been on the home page since the beginning.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2011,10:30) Hey t8, Perhaps you could move the “original sin” thread that Adam started to the Skeptics Section. We have unanswered questions that he can no longer address.
mike
Done
If there are anymore topics that need to go to Skeptics Area, then let me know and I will consider moving them too.
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