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Nick……..the word (angle) is properly translated (Messenger) in the Greek text, Jesus was speaking to the head of those churches through John, giving them advice on their spiritual conditions. IMO
love and peace………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 01 2009,15:29) 942667………Man became like God by coming to (KNOW) Good and Evil. “Look man has become like us (Knowing) good and evil, man did not know what good or evil was until they began to experience themselves and then God said look man has become like us, knowing good and evil. The word Knowing implies more the just knowing about something, its knowing about something through emanate experience with, as when it Says Adam (KNEW) EVE, it implies a emanate relationship with some one or thing. I do agree with you the Devil or Satan is that (SPIRIT) intellect of disobedience that has been in all men and men recieve All of it from the world as John said. For all that in the world the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, the pride of life are from the world. not some mysterious unknown being going around jumping in and out of people like Nick and 99 % of all Churches believe in. They teach doctrines about demons and are under the plague of confusion, that Revelations Say's they are receiving. We are told to come our of Her, but very few do come out completely.imo
love and peace to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene:And so, God has knowledge of evil by experiencing or doing evil?
942767………..He created it so how can we say His hasn't experience it. If He created it He certainly has and intimate knowledge of it right. I am not saying God is EVIL, but he certainly understands it importance in teaching Us, right from wrong. Without Evil we would never know what GOOD is and Without GOOD we would never Know what EVIL is , they explain each other by what they produce in life. 94 if God did not want us to experience he could very easily remove it as He does in the thousand year reign of Christ and the Saints. Why keep it here in the first place if it were not important and a necessary part of life. If it weren't necessary then that would make GOD the worst being that ever existed in all of creation. Evil is just as necessary to understand as Good is with regards to life.
love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 02 2009,07:59) 942767………..He created it so how can we say His hasn't experience it. If He created it He certainly has and intimate knowledge of it right. I am not saying God is EVIL, but he certainly understands it importance in teaching Us, right from wrong. Without Evil we would never know what GOOD is and Without GOOD we would never Know what EVIL is , they explain each other by what they produce in life. 94 if God did not want us to experience he could very easily remove it as He does in the thousand year reign of Christ and the Saints. Why keep it here in the first place if it were not important and a necessary part of life. If it weren't necessary then that would make GOD the worst being that ever existed in all of creation. Evil is just as necessary to understand as Good is with regards to life. love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
No Gene:I believe that you have the wrong perception here. God did not create evil. He is Holy.
He allows us do whatever we want we have a choice. Yes, we are influenced either by Him or the other guy, but we have a choice.
Sin is destructive to us and to those we sin against, and God is calling all who will hear out of this destruction.
God allows it also so that we as Christians, can learn to obey Him. We could not become like Him if we did not have somewhere to apply the Word of God to our lives. How can I learn to love my enemies except I have some enemies in my life, for example. Man has the power to kill our bodies, and we learn to overcome the fear that man can do to us because we are serving God and trust in His promises. Also, we are commissioned and are his helpers in His quest to save His children from destruction through the gospel.
This world is the refining fire and we go through it with God's help becoming like Him as we learn to apply His Word in our daily lives.
God causes all things to work together for good to those that love Him and are called according to His purpose.
942767………well if we have a FREE WILL Choice then why has no one chose whats right then, God said He looked for one righteous man but found none , well so much for right choices, Even Jesus said why call me (good) there is (ONLY ONE) that does good and thats GOD. So are you saying we then by our Free Wills make the good choices then.
Rom 3:11…..> As it is written, there is (NONE) righteous, no not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are become unprofitable: there is none that doth GOOD, NO. NOT ONE.
But some how 942767 you and Nick are saying that you can of your (OWN) FREE WILL chose what Good. scripture disagree with that. AS i have just quoted. Free Will choices have nothing to do with it, GOD influenced WILL DOES though. We are caused to do what Right, because true righteousness is a Creation OF GOD, Just as it says , for you are (CREATED) unto good works.
942767, this whole idea about our own choosing to repent and follow God by our own So-called free Wills is pure hog wash. Even Jesus could not do that, How much less could we. We are caused to change by the effectual working of GOD's Spirit in Us and this is GRACE at WORK , nothing to do with our so-called free wills. There is not even one mention of a man “FREE WILL” in the entirety of the whole bible.
We are taught this false teaching from the world religions not from scripture. No man comes to GOd or Christ without GOD drawing them. And no where does God ask us for our permission to save us.love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Indeed 94,
1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Ephesians 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Luke 11:35
Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.Nick…..why not address the quoted scriptures head on, instead of skirting around to force you opinion , Nothing you quoted supports you so call free Choice ideologies. I realize you want to put salvation into the Hands of man , but scripture shows thats simply not true. You (OWN) Choices has nothing to do with the salvation process, You will only chose from what influencing you most, and if its the Flesh then that what you will chose and if its the GRACE of GOD then that GRACE will cause you to chose the things of GOD. God is the savior not the SELF. AS scripture plain shows. For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. You need to deal with the scriptures i quoted before trying to grab straws to try to protect you ego.
peace and love……………..gene
Nick………I have never repented of anything That God did not cause me to i do not believe is SELF SALVATION like you do. Repentance is caused by GOD not by our so-called “FREE WILLS” as you think. You need to make a study on what repentance is and who causes it. You seem bound to exhaust yourself no matter what. Do you honestly think people repent on their own . we have been over this before go back and reread what was posted for a change. O and think about it this time.
love and peace Nick………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 02 2009,14:17) 942767………well if we have a FREE WILL Choice then why has no one chose whats right then, God said He looked for one righteous man but found none , well so much for right choices, Even Jesus said why call me (good) there is (ONLY ONE) that does good and thats GOD. So are you saying we then by our Free Wills make the good choices then. Rom 3:11…..> As it is written, there is (NONE) righteous, no not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are become unprofitable: there is none that doth GOOD, NO. NOT ONE.
But some how 942767 you and Nick are saying that you can of your (OWN) FREE WILL chose what Good. scripture disagree with that. AS i have just quoted. Free Will choices have nothing to do with it, GOD influenced WILL DOES though. We are caused to do what Right, because true righteousness is a Creation OF GOD, Just as it says , for you are (CREATED) unto good works.
942767, this whole idea about our own choosing to repent and follow God by our own So-called free Wills is pure hog wash. Even Jesus could not do that, How much less could we. We are caused to change by the effectual working of GOD's Spirit in Us and this is GRACE at WORK , nothing to do with our so-called free wills. There is not even one mention of a man “FREE WILL” in the entirety of the whole bible.
We are taught this false teaching from the world religions not from scripture. No man comes to GOd or Christ without GOD drawing them. And no where does God ask us for our permission to save us.love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Gene:God leads us to repentance, but it is up to us to repent. We have a choice.
As the Apostle Peter said to those who had crucified Jesus when they believed and they asked him what they should do. He told them:
Quote Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
942767….. reread what you quoted, “now they were pricked in their (HEARTS)” That was there repentance in there Heart changed by the power of the holy Spirit that was poured out on them. (IT cause them to Change their thinking) God gave them repentance at that moment. They did not repent on their own, a few days before that they were saying crucify Him , Do you honestly think these people out of the goodness that was in them on their own Without the conviction of Gods Spirit said men and brothers what shall we do seeing we have put to death the son of God. This conviction came from the Spirit into their hearts and (IT) caused them the repent of there unbelief. God was starting the Church and these were added about three thousand at that time.
love and peace to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 02 2009,16:20) 942767….. reread what you quoted, “now they were pricked in their (HEARTS)” That was there repentance in there Heart changed by the power of the holy Spirit that was poured out on them. (IT cause them to Change their thinking) God gave them repentance at that moment. They did not repent on their own, a few days before that they were saying crucify Him , Do you honestly think these people out of the goodness that was in them on their own Without the conviction of Gods Spirit said men and brothers what shall we do seeing we have put to death the son of God. This conviction came from the Spirit into their hearts and (IT) caused them the repent of there unbelief. God was starting the Church and these were added about three thousand at that time. love and peace to you and yours………………………..gene
Hi Gene:There is no use communicating with you about this. If the scriptures don't convince you then there is nothing more that I can say to relative to this subject.
God Bless
The willful disobedience of the perfect man Adam, as the responsible head over Eve and as the male progenitor or life source of the human family, brought sin and death to all his offspring. (Ro 5:12, 19)
It's true and interesting that Eve sinned first. She willfully did what God didn't want her to do. But we also know she was deceived into doing this, whereas Adam was just foolish.
Just thinking about this…do we know how long adam existed before Eve was created? Of course Satan went to the Newbie first. Adam bore more responsibility, for a number of reasons.
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