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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 04 2011,11:02) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 04 2011,02:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 02 2011,21:28) Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Do you welcome me as well?
Ed: You are more than welcome at my table, anytime, anywhere. I would ask you not to whip me with scriptures and insert my name as though the scripture was intended for me and many time quote me in blatant error. You fail by not using phrases like IN my opinion or as I see it or i think this way etc. Believe me when I say, You do not yet know it all and you seemingly have no compunction about taking scriptures out of context to do your whiping. Mark went along with you and began to condemn me for many things that weren't stated the way he stated them. I am only here to learn and further my Godly education, PERIOD! Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,I thought you said there were 'no rules' and that rules are sin?
You believe God's rules (according to Tim) are sin, but not yours?
Aren't you being hypocritical? Shouldn't I be able to do what I want?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: Forget my invite to the table. You would only come to irritate me and quote things you have understood incorrectly that you believe I said. I want to learn but I don't like condsending twists for the purpose of irritation only.There are thousand of rules/laws on the books here on earth. There are even laws to make you fasten your seat belt. I never said rules were sin. I never said there are no rules here.
Sin is not a rule. Sin is not a law. In reference to the Bible, sin is an error of thinking. Sin is a mistaken belief that anything one does could actually separate him from God.
Sin is a mistaken belief that there is sin. Nothing can separate us from the love of God or from God, except, BELIEVING A LIE/SIN that you are separated from God. God is everywhere,
therefore no separation can be made, physically, only mentally, by believing a lie of separation. God can not and will not ever leave us. We are in God as the cells of our bodies are in us. Only we can leave God by a sinful mind, believing incorrectly that we are separated from God.
If we stop believing in sin/separation and start believing in oneness, we will begin to express/bear fruit of love/God in the earth. Not predict wars and destruction for the future.
There are no rules(as in laws or demands) of how to live life on earth, from God. You reap what you sow, that is fact. The highest way of life is to love one another as God has loved us.
Now if your God has strapped you with do's and don'ts and laws and rules to control you then you are not free. You would be in bondage to those laws. Jesus said the truth would make us free. Not set us free. We were never in bondage to be set free. We were always free but didn't know it. The truth/Jesus makes us free from sin and death. IMO, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 04 2011,20:46) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 04 2011,11:02) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 04 2011,02:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 02 2011,21:28) Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Do you welcome me as well?
Ed: You are more than welcome at my table, anytime, anywhere. I would ask you not to whip me with scriptures and insert my name as though the scripture was intended for me and many time quote me in blatant error. You fail by not using phrases like IN my opinion or as I see it or i think this way etc. Believe me when I say, You do not yet know it all and you seemingly have no compunction about taking scriptures out of context to do your whiping. Mark went along with you and began to condemn me for many things that weren't stated the way he stated them. I am only here to learn and further my Godly education, PERIOD! Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,I thought you said there were 'no rules' and that rules are sin?
You believe God's rules (according to Tim) are sin, but not yours?
Aren't you being hypocritical? Shouldn't I be able to do what I want?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: Forget my invite to the table. You would only come to irritate me and quote things you have understood incorrectly that you believe I said. I want to learn but I don't like condsending twists for the purpose of irritation only.There are no rules(as in laws or demands) of how to live life on earth, from God.
TK
Hi Tim,I knew your offer was disingenuous.
Isaiah 30:9-10 That this is a rebellious people,
lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy
not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Hi Tim,
Jeremiah 26:4-6 And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD;
If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,
To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you,
both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;
Then will I make this house like Shiloh… a curse to all the nations of the earth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 04 2011,03:18) I fired off to quickly with my mind full of anti-censorship instead of a more controled study of like minds.
Hi Tim,No worries.
You and I butt heads on matter of scripture, but you have always shown me respect. I hope I have done the same to you.You know, t8 is usually the first one to the battle against Stu and his atheism. He personally enjoys discussing all that stuff about evolution and what not. I don't. I'm here to gain a deeper knowledge AND understanding of God's Written Word.
And every single discussion would turn into a defense that God exists if Stu were allowed to “roam free” here. Defending God's existence would leave much less time for us to discuss scriptural things, like you and I have many times.
So while t8 enjoys the atheism discussions, I'm grateful he saw fit to limit them to their own section of this forum – leaving you and I free to discuss how, through faith, you've decided that you will never get sick again.
peace and love to you Tim
You are also welcome at my table. But we all know the Table we REALLY want to sit at. There is one particular Feast we want to partake in more than any other, right?mike
Im sorry Stuart and Bod. I was wrong bringing Athiests and other believers into this.
I miss how we used to talk sometimes.
When you think about life, and I have been lately, there is dividing walls and fences everywhere, i'm sure it's not the way it was ever intended to be,
Money and power, rich and poor, black and white, believer and non believer, the powerfull and the not,
How can anyone help another when theres so many walls up…..physical or spiritual?
No wonder God has to intervene.
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 22 2011,18:07) Im sorry Stuart and Bod. I was wrong bringing Athiests and other believers into this. I miss how we used to talk sometimes.
Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often.A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2011,01:40) Hi Kar, I'm glad you excluded “atheists” and non Christians. t8's design of separating the believers from the non was a good one. Just look at what Adam's thread about original sin has become now.
I'm thankful we don't have to fend off Stu's comments in the believers threads. He crossed an emotional line with me by calling God a “petulant monster”. I won't discourse with this man any more.
I didn't mind the light hearted “imaginary friend” stuff. But we wouldn't call his son a stupid little freak of nature or his wife a two dollar whore. He apparently doesn't realize that to us, God is as real and as loved as his son and wife are to him. These hurtful words about OUR Father are as unnecessary as us slinging hurtful words about his earthly father.
Anyway, for Adam:
You say you don't believe in the virgin birth, but you DO believe the OT. Ed has posted this scripture for you:
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.Any comment?
mike
Charmed I'm sure.I'm only paraphrasing the Judeo- bit of Judeo-christian mythology in calling your god unspeakably and petulantly violent. It allegedly killed Uzzah when he was only trying to help, and apparently at one point felt compelled to kill almost all the living things on earth.
Rather than banging on about “crossing emotional lines” and other such feeble efforts maybe you could consider convincing me that this apparent petulant violence is neither petulant nor violent.
Can you do that?
In this forum, or elsewhere online, I have never called anyone or anything that actually exists a whore or a freak. I didn't even call your Imaginary Friend either of those things. I just interpreted scripture for you.
You realise it would be crazy to actually call your god anything seriously when the god only exists in your imagination, don't you. My reflection on your scripture is my commentary on the idea you have in your head. If you reject that idea all you have to do is say so and I will accept it. I might ask you then whether you believe in the biblical description of the killing of up to 24,000,000 humans and how you could possibly argue that was not petulant and violent. Perhaps you reject scripture. If so, good for you.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,18:59) Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often. A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
What law is this?
Where does this moral to love come from?
Should all do the same?
Is it OK for others to disagree with your moral?
Do you truly beleive and live up to this moral of yours?
Does everyone decide on their own standard and is no one is right or wrong because there is no ultimate truth?
Can we take your morals and give it a name so others can follow it?Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,19:08) You realise it would be crazy to actually call your god anything seriously when the god only exists in your imagination,
According to your standards of truth, Mike doesn't have an imagination because you cannot touch, see, or hear his imagination.You also can't touch, see, or hear God and you conclude that he doesn't exist even though it is impossible for everything to be uncreated.
See Stu. You pick and choose your own beliefs and you are not even consistent with your own rules.
Can you see your own dilemma?
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,21:59) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 22 2011,18:07) Im sorry Stuart and Bod. I was wrong bringing Athiests and other believers into this. I miss how we used to talk sometimes.
Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often.A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
Thanks Stuart, see you made me smile nowWe did have some laughs though didn't we!
Love to you Stuart.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:45) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,18:59) Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often. A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
What law is this?
Where does this moral to love come from?
Should all do the same?
Is it OK for others to disagree with your moral?
Do you truly beleive and live up to this moral of yours?
Does everyone decide on their own standard and is no one is right or wrong because there is no ultimate truth?
Can we take your morals and give it a name so others can follow it?
Relax t8. Those with an immoral christian worldview just need to trust the conscience that natural selection and cultural context has given them. I'm sure there's no need for you to obsess over it like this.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:49) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,19:08) You realise it would be crazy to actually call your god anything seriously when the god only exists in your imagination,
According to your standards of truth, Mike doesn't have an imagination because you cannot touch, see, or hear his imagination.You also can't touch, see, or hear God and you conclude that he doesn't exist even though it is impossible for everything to be uncreated.
See Stu. You pick and choose your own beliefs and you are not even consistent with your own rules.
Can you see your own dilemma?
No, the issue is that Mike has an overactive imagination, as do you.What do you mean by “it is impossible for everything to be uncreated”? Do you mean that it is possible for some things to be uncreated? I'd agree, although it is a statement of the obvious. Or do you mean something else? Do you know what you mean?
What rules are these you say I have? What dilemma?
You sound quite desperate. Do try to state clearly what you mean. Maybe you could warm up with a false analogy, then get to the point after that.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2011,18:28) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:45) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,18:59) Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often. A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
What law is this?
Where does this moral to love come from?
Should all do the same?
Is it OK for others to disagree with your moral?
Do you truly beleive and live up to this moral of yours?
Does everyone decide on their own standard and is no one is right or wrong because there is no ultimate truth?
Can we take your morals and give it a name so others can follow it?
Relax t8. Those with an immoral christian worldview just need to trust the conscience that natural selection and cultural context has given them. I'm sure there's no need for you to obsess over it like this.Stuart
Your view states that morality is dictated by Evolution and the environment.So if you lived in pre-European history and among a tribal society, then I guess it is OK to hunt and eat your enemy before he does that to you.
Whereas, I believe that morality is defined by the creator. He knows best.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2011,11:52) Stu. Your questions above expose how little or how shallow you have thought about such things.
It is not the depth of my thoughts they expose.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2011,11:55) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2011,18:28) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:45) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 23 2011,18:59) Thanks karmarie. I have to admit I stay down where I have been put and do not adventure up here where I am also allowed very often. A motto of mine is to love the christian but oppose the christianity that makes them say silly things.
The most important aspect of that is still to love the christian.
Stuart
What law is this?
Where does this moral to love come from?
Should all do the same?
Is it OK for others to disagree with your moral?
Do you truly beleive and live up to this moral of yours?
Does everyone decide on their own standard and is no one is right or wrong because there is no ultimate truth?
Can we take your morals and give it a name so others can follow it?
Relax t8. Those with an immoral christian worldview just need to trust the conscience that natural selection and cultural context has given them. I'm sure there's no need for you to obsess over it like this.Stuart
Your view states that morality is dictated by Evolution and the environment.So if you lived in pre-European history and among a tribal society, then I guess it is OK to hunt and eat your enemy before he does that to you.
Whereas, I believe that morality is defined by the creator. He knows best.
Where did you get the patrician idea that “pre-European history” constituted eating your enemies? Far more people have been murdered as an enemy since the alleged time of Jesus than ever were before then, significantly under the guise of wars fought for “god king and country”.Did “the creator” change his mind about slavery, or do you still follow the scriptural guidelines for how you should keep your slaves?
When “the creator” that you inexplicably worship supposedly drowned almost all of its “creation”, was that demonstration of its morality too?
The self-evident existence of a moral zeitgeist makes a mockery of your religious platitude. As if it was not doing a good enough job of mocking itself already.
Stuart
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